Will Battlegrounds allow for pre-formed teams?

bubbygink

Just read the battlegrounds preview article on MMORPG.com (http://www.mmorpg.com/elder-scrolls-online/previews/battlegrounds-bring-small-group-pvp-to-tamriel-1000011569). The article stated the following:

The three teams, which you’ll be placed on randomly each match, don Purple, Orange, and Green.

The way I read this initially is that we cannot queue up as teams to compete and that everyone is just place on a random team. Or does it just mean that the group you queue with will be randomly assigned a team? So, for example, I queue up with three others as a team of four and we are "placed randomly" on the orange team one match but then the green team the next. It is a bit unclear. Was hoping @ZOS_BrianWheeler or @ZOS_RichLambert could confirm either way.

This interview also has a lot of information on battlegrounds and queuing but still leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not you can queue as a group (but again my initial reading of it sort of gives me the inclination that you will not be able to group queue): http://www.mmogames.com/gamearticles/eso-morrowind-interview/

In my opinion, being able to queue as a group in battlegrounds is critical. I would not be nearly as interested without this feature. So if Zos is still deciding on whether or not pre-formed teams should be allowed or if they currently aren't planing on allowing it, consider this a petition to allow groups to queue together as a team.



Edit: Seems like there is a general consensus that there should be two types of queues: team v. team and random. So when players queue as teams they only get matched with other players that queued as teams. And when players queue individually they only get matched with other players who queued individually.

I'm not sure where this would put players trying to queue in groups of 2 or 3. I guess that just wouldn't be allowed under this "team or pug" queue system. I'm also not sure how this would affect leaderboards. Could there be separate leaderboards for team and pug queues, perhaps?

andreasranasen

This is actually great! As much as it will sucks being placed in a pug group. I rather have that than pre-formed teams spamming destro ult or unkillable templars just dragging everything out.

Seraphayel

Queueing in groups should only be an option when you're playing against other groups. So group vs group vs group. If you're able to queue as a group and get thrown into matches with individual enemies as teammates the whole system will be a mess and destroy PvP.

bubbygink

Seraphayel wrote: »

Queueing in groups should only be an option when you're playing against other groups. So group vs group vs group. If you're able to queue as a group and get thrown into matches with individual enemies as teammates the whole system will be a mess and destroy PvP.

I am totally OK with this. That if you queue as a pre-formed group you only match up with pre-formed groups. But if you take the ability to queue together as a group out entirely then doesn't it pretty much ruin the purpose of Battlegrounds? You won't actually have competitive, small scale, coordinated PvPing. You'll just be rolling the dice every time that your PUG group will work out. You won't be able to play with friends, or discover and try out new tactics, etc.

Seraphayel

I agree. ZOS just needs to implement “smart“ matchmaking.

So group vs group vs group and individuals vs individuals vs individuals. Group vs individuals should never ever happen.

idk

They should have both team and individual queues. For times ESO has to match a group with those that queued individually there should be a benefit provided to the individually queued group.

Reason is the obvious advantage of playing on a fixed group.

Ilsabet

I was surprised when they said that battlegrounds group formation would be random via a dungeon-finder style system. I thought the whole point would be to allow groups to set up fights with each other regardless of faction, like dueling but for teams instead of individuals.

They should set it up so that you can do it either way, PUGs vs PUGs or organized teams vs organized teams. That would be the most inclusive way to do it, and you'd probably get much more interesting pvp with coordinated small-scale groups duking it out against each other.

DurzoBlint13

I hope so! Can you imagine what it would be like if you had to use Group Finder for PvP???? LMFAO

idk

Ilsabet wrote: »

I was surprised when they said that battlegrounds group formation would be random via a dungeon-finder style system. I thought the whole point would be to allow groups to set up fights with each other regardless of faction, like dueling but for teams instead of individuals.

They should set it up so that you can do it either way, PUGs vs PUGs or organized teams vs organized teams. That would be the most inclusive way to do it, and you'd probably get much more interesting pvp with coordinated small-scale groups duking it out against each other.

I expect groups will be able to queue.

However a group cannot choose their opponents since that would likely reduce the utilization of the new design, if that is what you mean. I've never seen a system where a team could choose which teams they would fight against.

timidobserver

Hopefully they address matchmaking properly. Every other MMO I have played failed utterly at it. The system should try to place premades vs premades and player ranking/rating should play a role in the matching.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

In a recent article in game informer it was mentioned that you could solo queue or in groups of two. I think...

Im to lazy to go look it up again...

bubbygink

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

In a recent article in game informer it was mentioned that you could solo queue or in groups of two. I think...

Im to lazy to go look it up again...

I have been unable to find this article. Are you sure it was Game Informer? How recent was it? I would be very curious to read the article. Only being able to queue solo or as a group of two would be strange...

vyndral13preub18_ESO

bubbygink wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

In a recent article in game informer it was mentioned that you could solo queue or in groups of two. I think...

Im to lazy to go look it up again...

I have been unable to find this article. Are you sure it was Game Informer? How recent was it? I would be very curious to read the article. Only being able to queue solo or as a group of two would be strange...

It is march 17 game informer just read it again. My mistake. Says you will be able to queue solo or in a four person group.

Which is still sort of strange to me. But it may be them trying to get around the issues their group finder seems to have.

bubbygink

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It is march 17 game informer just read it again. My mistake. Says you will be able to queue solo or in a four person group.

Which is still sort of strange to me. But it may be them trying to get around the issues their group finder seems to have.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO March 17? That can't be right. Do you mean February 17? I would appreciate a link if possible. I would love to have confirmation that we can queue solo and in four person groups.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

bubbygink wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It is march 17 game informer just read it again. My mistake. Says you will be able to queue solo or in a four person group.

Which is still sort of strange to me. But it may be them trying to get around the issues their group finder seems to have.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO March 17? Do you mean February 17? I would appreciate a link if possible. I would love to have confirmation that we can queue solo and in four person groups.

Sorry I dont have a link im old. I got the actual magazine in the mail a day or two ago. Issue 287 march 2017. Page 56 a couple pages on marrowind.

MissBizz

In one of the many articles out today, one did mention you can queue as a group.

I read the ones that reddit had them all listed in one tidy thread.

IcyDeadPeople

If they do permit it, they really need to separate pre-made group lobby from random lobby.

bubbygink

MissBizz wrote: »

In one of the many articles out today, one did mention you can queue as a group.

I read the ones that reddit had them all listed in one tidy thread.

@MissBizz I looked through those as well. It is actually where I found the two article I linked to in the OP. I didn't see where it said you could queue as a group. Would you mind linking the article? I'll take a look back through too to see if I missed it.

bubbygink

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Sorry I dont have a link im old. I got the actual magazine in the mail a day or two ago. Issue 287 march 2017. Page 56 a couple pages on marrowind.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO I see. So to be clear, it says you can only queue solo or in a group of 2? That seems like a weird mechanic to me. I wonder why they would make it that way.

MissBizz

bubbygink wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

In one of the many articles out today, one did mention you can queue as a group.

I read the ones that reddit had them all listed in one tidy thread.

@MissBizz I looked through those as well. It is actually where I found the two article I linked to in the OP. I didn't see where it said you could queue as a group. Would you mind linking the article? I'll take a look back through too to see if I missed it.

I will... After I bring my dog to the vet and fix my leaking sink

vyndral13preub18_ESO

bubbygink wrote: »

@vyndral13preub18_ESO March 17? Do you mean February 17? I would appreciate a link if possible. I would love to have confirmation that we can queue solo and in four person groups.

Sorry I dont have a link im old. I got the actual magazine in the mail a day or two ago. Issue 287 march 2017. Page 56 a couple pages on marrowind.
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@vyndral13preub18_ESO I see. So to be clear, it says you can only queue solo or in a group of 2? That seems like a weird mechanic to me. I wonder why they would make it that way.[/quote]

No. I made a mistake. I corrected it in there. It says solo or groups of four. It makes no mention of smaller groups.

bubbygink

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

No. I made a mistake. I corrected it in there. It says solo or groups of four. It makes no mention of smaller groups.

Ah ok, thanks for the info! Well then from what @MissBizz has said and what your article says it does appear that queuing up solo or in a group of 4 will work. Now I suppose the only question is if solo queued people can meet pre-made groups.

brandonv516

Same as every other MP game: Facing a stacked group? Quit. In a stacked group? Roll with it.

ArchMikem

andreasranasen wrote: »

This is actually great! As much as it will sucks being placed in a pug group. I rather have that than pre-formed teams spamming destro ult or unkillable templars just dragging everything out.

That's what I thought too. Preformed teams of nothing but Former Emperors, or BlazePlar Tanks, or MagBlades spamming the Destro Ult as a steamroller.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandonv516 wrote: »

Same as every other MP game: Facing a stacked group? Quit. In a stacked group? Roll with it.

For some reason it never works out that way for me. It usually ends with,In a stacked group? Drag them down until they all quit.

Malamar1229

Heres what will happen
premade 4 man teams running troll groups to the point people cry for nerfs on the forums that will inevitably disrupt the rest of the game.

Akrasjel

Pre-formed vs Pre-formed - Yes
Pre-formed vs Pug's - No

WalkingLegacy

If they have any interest in getting this PvP onto the TV, they will allow pre groups to form.

RebornV3x

It's simple social and ranked play
Ranked is Premade groups Vs Premade groups you can random que but you probably shouldn't

Social/Random the same as ranked but its all random queue no premade groups just queue up and hop right in.

Maybe ranked isn't the best word maybe Competitive maybe have split leaderboards if that's a thing but other that same rewards and stuff.

kyle.wilson

I'm curious on what the makeup of the teams will be.
Will zos run the pve style 2dps, 1 tank, 1 healer?
Or, will it be a free for all, where you can end up with 4 heals or tanks in 1 group?

RebornV3x

Maybe 2 dps 1 tank 1 heal and hopefully each has to be a different class so you don't end up with 4 blazing shield templars or 4 destro ultimate mag nbs/sorcs etc I see this battlegrounds thing being screwed up so bad If not done right