Stamina or Magicka Nightblades in 2017

mb10

Im considering to make a nightblade but not sure which way to go... leaning a lot more towards Magicka. I would mainly PVP and need your help community.

PVP
Stamina nightblades were heavily reliant on the proc sets and the cheap ultimate cost of incapacitating strike which have both been taken away from them now so tbh Im not sure whats left of the usefulness of this class in PVP. Especially considering most other people use impen and heavy amour, and other classes have burst heals, a nightblade who cant burst damage down somebody before they have time to react will probably die depending on their skill level. Low resistance, low health, low sustain, bad heals just makes them useless now IMO.

Magicka nightblade have a wider range of skills to use and when done so smartly I think can be a deadly class. However, after speaking to various people in game nobody seems to rate magicka NBs too much and its evident with the lack of NBs seen in general in Cyrodiil now.

PVE
Stamina NBs are simply inferior to every other class in terms of sustain, usefulness and survivability. Can still have very high damage but a stam sorc or DK just look a lot better at the moment.

Magicka NBs in this update got some good buffs and I think can be very useful group members.


Do you still play a NB? Which do you prefer and why?

Lynx7386

My stamblade is now relegated to crafting slave, despite having been my main since launch. Now I play my mag dk all the time instead

AKSb16_ESO2

I switched my stamblade to magblade and have fun again.

UppGRAYxDD

Either one, as long as you have a destro staff equipped for Eye of the Storm...

Kajin

I still play stamina NB and I still love it. I'm currenly using eternal hunt set with no procs and it's a hard life.
But I still have so much fun, especialy with shadow image, which is one of the best and most fun skill to use.

But it can be frustrating with all the proc sets and heavy armor builds.

mb10

Thanks guys some interesting responses

Master_Kas

Make a sorc instead of magblade. Unless you like to be a bomber with destro ult, the magblade is just a squishier version of a sorc with less mobility (saying this because shade needs a target unlike streak)

lardvader

Well I think both are fun - I enjoyed stam first, then got hooked on magblade but if I play with them now I go stam.

I probably have to respec both my magblades though because they are still in "old meta" gear and feels far behind all my other builds. Probably have to dive into ICP again and farm scathing mage.

If you don't have any blades I recommend to have at least one. Personally I play mostly sorc and templar these days but I used to love all my blades and probably will have a new era when I'm tired of the other classes.

Isellskooma

Lol, NB's no sustain... Totally don't have 15% more regen and Siphoning.

Katahdin

I play my stam NB almost every day and I still love them. I don't have a MNB and have no desire for one.

Wrathmane

I'm a Stamblade player personally..... I enjoy them in PVP.

Darth_Apache

I play sNB in PVE.
I do manage to keep my self alive pretty well while soloing doing considerable damage.
In Group events relying on a healer is nice. I am able to do a lot of damage while not having to worry so much on my health bar.

sNB's are a ton of fun for me. I want to make a mNB but I am too lazy to do it tbh.

The_Duke

I have both. I run a sap tank in pvp and a stankblade as well. Both are fun for different reasons. Sap has more healing potential and stankblade has high burst and single target. Make a dark elf and you can switch between both if you want.

Izaki

mb10 wrote: »

PVE
Stamina NBs are simply inferior to every other class in terms of sustain, usefulness and survivability. Can still have very high damage but a stam sorc or DK just look a lot better at the moment.

Magicka NBs in this update got some good buffs and I think can be very useful group members.


Do you still play a NB? Which do you prefer and why?

Sorry, but I don't agree with that. In PvE Stamina NB is the stamina class with the best sustain and the burst damage. You're right about survivability. In terms of usefulness, none of the stamina classes are actually useful. But NBs can provide a damage mitigation or an extra Aggressive Horn (with the insane ultimate generation) when the situation calls for it. Their damage also spikes in execute phases allowing for more burst towards the end of a fight. So in terms of utility IMO, stamina NBs are the ones that are the most flexible. In theory they aren't the highest DPS, but definitely the most fun play style and rotation and they can still match and beat other classes just fine. The only class that has good options for going Bow/Bow.
I'm still out DPSing Stamina DKs and Sorcs just like I was doing in 1T.

Magicka NB on the other hand is just a lesser version of a Sorcerer, in both PvP and PvE. They lack burst in PvP, they lack in damage in PvE. By trying to be useful in a trial, you could provide off heals through Refreshing Path (instead of Twisting) and Funnel Health (instead of Force Pulse), but at the cost of A LOT of damage.

Fun fact: a ranged (Bow/Bow) stamina nightblade build by Nosferatuzod pulls more self buffed DPS (39K) than a magicka nightblade build (37k).

I know I'm biased and stuff, but no matter what anyone tells me I'm playing the class that I enjoy playing and as long as I can say "I've got more DPS than you on a class that is considered to be the worst, I got my spot in this team", I'll keep playing stamina nightblade.

Edziu

PVE - magDK
PVP - DK or sorc



NB - ????????glasscannon ganging useless in open fights shiet and non-synergised in pve selfish class

Tryxus

Ah, Nightblades... a really unappreciated class

I currently have 3 of them:

1. My main MagBlade, who has 3 setups for PvP: a light, a heavy and a gank setup (last one needs a bit of testing tho, with the destro staff changes)
2. A Sap Tank, who has a HP Regen setup for PvP that's been Rage Whisper Approved (took him to IC for a week)
3. A StamBlade who uses only 1 proc set, the monster set. I still prefer my Eternal Hunt setup with Spriggan (recently changed from Hulk Draugr). I'm also planning a Heavy setup (Ravager?) and a gank setup too (Clever Alchemist + Automaton)

Not matter which one I play, NB is still a great and fun class

If you plan to PvE as well, I would recommend MagBlade over Stam

Darth_Apache

Tryxus wrote: »

Ah, Nightblades... a really unappreciated class

I currently have 3 of them:

1. My main MagBlade, who has 3 setups for PvP: a light, a heavy and a gank setup (last one needs a bit of testing tho, with the destro staff changes)
2. A Sap Tank, who has a HP Regen setup for PvP that's been Rage Whisper Approved (took him to IC for a week)
3. A StamBlade who uses only 1 proc set, the monster set. I still prefer my Eternal Hunt setup with Spriggan (recently changed from Hulk Draugr). I'm also planning a Heavy setup (Ravager?) and a gank setup too (Clever Alchemist + Automaton)

Not matter which one I play, NB is still a great and fun class

If you plan to PvE as well, I would recommend MagBlade over Stam

What gear and skills do you recommend for a PvE MagBlade?

The_Duke

On my sap tank Ill be running 2 troll king 5 orgnums and 5 necrop once I get the troll king shoulders in the right weight and trait. Between shield, sap and regen I should be almost unkillable.

mb10

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

PVE
Stamina NBs are simply inferior to every other class in terms of sustain, usefulness and survivability. Can still have very high damage but a stam sorc or DK just look a lot better at the moment.

Magicka NBs in this update got some good buffs and I think can be very useful group members.


Do you still play a NB? Which do you prefer and why?

Sorry, but I don't agree with that. In PvE Stamina NB is the stamina class with the best sustain and the burst damage. You're right about survivability. In terms of usefulness, none of the stamina classes are actually useful. But NBs can provide a damage mitigation or an extra Aggressive Horn (with the insane ultimate generation) when the situation calls for it. Their damage also spikes in execute phases allowing for more burst towards the end of a fight. So in terms of utility IMO, stamina NBs are the ones that are the most flexible. In theory they aren't the highest DPS, but definitely the most fun play style and rotation and they can still match and beat other classes just fine. The only class that has good options for going Bow/Bow.
I'm still out DPSing Stamina DKs and Sorcs just like I was doing in 1T.

Magicka NB on the other hand is just a lesser version of a Sorcerer, in both PvP and PvE. They lack burst in PvP, they lack in damage in PvE. By trying to be useful in a trial, you could provide off heals through Refreshing Path (instead of Twisting) and Funnel Health (instead of Force Pulse), but at the cost of A LOT of damage.

Fun fact: a ranged (Bow/Bow) stamina nightblade build by Nosferatuzod pulls more self buffed DPS (39K) than a magicka nightblade build (37k).

I know I'm biased and stuff, but no matter what anyone tells me I'm playing the class that I enjoy playing and as long as I can say "I've got more DPS than you on a class that is considered to be the worst, I got my spot in this team", I'll keep playing stamina nightblade.

You can love stam nightblade all you want but need to be able to see it from a neutral perspective.
Stam sorc and stam DK absolutely wreck stam NB in pve and pvp atm and its all great doing burst damage against a few mobs but in trials where you practically need burst heals and shields to survive, you will just be a burden to the healer Im afraid.

Tryxus

Darth_Apache wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Ah, Nightblades... a really unappreciated class

I currently have 3 of them:

1. My main MagBlade, who has 3 setups for PvP: a light, a heavy and a gank setup (last one needs a bit of testing tho, with the destro staff changes)
2. A Sap Tank, who has a HP Regen setup for PvP that's been Rage Whisper Approved (took him to IC for a week)
3. A StamBlade who uses only 1 proc set, the monster set. I still prefer my Eternal Hunt setup with Spriggan (recently changed from Hulk Draugr). I'm also planning a Heavy setup (Ravager?) and a gank setup too (Clever Alchemist + Automaton)

Not matter which one I play, NB is still a great and fun class

If you plan to PvE as well, I would recommend MagBlade over Stam

What gear and skills do you recommend for a PvE MagBlade?

5x BSW or Julianos
2x Grothdarr
3x Aether jewelry

Fire Staff on front and put you single target skills as well as Meteor and Blockade

Lightning Staff bacbar with Sap Essence, Path and Destro Ulti

Oh, and make sure you have a Siphoning Skill on both bars

The_Duke wrote: »

On my sap tank Ill be running 2 troll king 5 orgnums and 5 necrop once I get the troll king shoulders in the right weight and trait. Between shield, sap and regen I should be almost unkillable.

Hehe, I run the same build on my Sap Tank , except I use Green Pact instead of Necro with the Wrothgar HP + HP Regen food: 40k HP, 1500 Mag Regen and 6k HP regen fully buffed

scorpiodog

Lynx7386 wrote: »

My stamblade is now relegated to crafting slave, despite having been my main since launch. Now I play my mag dk all the time instead

lmao mine too. Little Bosmer lass just hangs out in Craglorn and does writs. She even turns all surveys over to the Sorcs.

Now she's playing the good housewife and learning to make furniture.

Darth_Apache

scorpiodog wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

My stamblade is now relegated to crafting slave, despite having been my main since launch. Now I play my mag dk all the time instead

lmao mine too. Little Bosmer lass just hangs out in Craglorn and does writs. She even turns all surveys over to the Sorcs.

Now she's playing the good housewife and learning to make furniture.

I think I am working my Bosmer way too hard then...He's my only character; clothier, blacksmith, enchanter, and main!
Hes a trooper fo damn sure bruh..

Katahdin

They do lack sustained damage which is why many people gank with them in PvP. Ive found them useful in groups as well, working around the edge of the battle, helping finish off enemy players.

Pallio

Any class with this question, go magic.. Stam sux now.

Izaki

mb10 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

PVE
Stamina NBs are simply inferior to every other class in terms of sustain, usefulness and survivability. Can still have very high damage but a stam sorc or DK just look a lot better at the moment.

Magicka NBs in this update got some good buffs and I think can be very useful group members.


Do you still play a NB? Which do you prefer and why?

Sorry, but I don't agree with that. In PvE Stamina NB is the stamina class with the best sustain and the burst damage. You're right about survivability. In terms of usefulness, none of the stamina classes are actually useful. But NBs can provide a damage mitigation or an extra Aggressive Horn (with the insane ultimate generation) when the situation calls for it. Their damage also spikes in execute phases allowing for more burst towards the end of a fight. So in terms of utility IMO, stamina NBs are the ones that are the most flexible. In theory they aren't the highest DPS, but definitely the most fun play style and rotation and they can still match and beat other classes just fine. The only class that has good options for going Bow/Bow.
I'm still out DPSing Stamina DKs and Sorcs just like I was doing in 1T.

Magicka NB on the other hand is just a lesser version of a Sorcerer, in both PvP and PvE. They lack burst in PvP, they lack in damage in PvE. By trying to be useful in a trial, you could provide off heals through Refreshing Path (instead of Twisting) and Funnel Health (instead of Force Pulse), but at the cost of A LOT of damage.

Fun fact: a ranged (Bow/Bow) stamina nightblade build by Nosferatuzod pulls more self buffed DPS (39K) than a magicka nightblade build (37k).

I know I'm biased and stuff, but no matter what anyone tells me I'm playing the class that I enjoy playing and as long as I can say "I've got more DPS than you on a class that is considered to be the worst, I got my spot in this team", I'll keep playing stamina nightblade.

You can love stam nightblade all you want but need to be able to see it from a neutral perspective.
Stam sorc and stam DK absolutely wreck stam NB in pve and pvp atm and its all great doing burst damage against a few mobs but in trials where you practically need burst heals and shields to survive, you will just be a burden to the healer Im afraid.

Still what you said about sustain and damage isn't really true... The difference in sustained DPS between Sorc and DK and NB isn't nearly as big as you think. If fact, in pure single target, NBs can match and often surpass Sorcs (especially in a fight with a long execute phase). The better the group, the stronger the NB becomes due to the crit passives, the AoE wise, the only classes that really have cleave damage are Templars and Sorcs. Also burst wise, you can't argue the fact that NB has the best innate burst of all stamina classes in PvP (not only PvE). Overall, Sorcs are definitely better, but in terms of numbers, there isn't a significant gap at all. NBs are considerable harder to play to get to the same level as Sorc or DK though.
I wasn't a burden to the healer before this patch, I don't see why that would change. You're right, magicka is just flat out better in trials, I'm conscious of that, but as long as you know what you're doing, you should be fine.

The_Duke

Tryxus wrote: »

Darth_Apache wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Ah, Nightblades... a really unappreciated class

I currently have 3 of them:

1. My main MagBlade, who has 3 setups for PvP: a light, a heavy and a gank setup (last one needs a bit of testing tho, with the destro staff changes)
2. A Sap Tank, who has a HP Regen setup for PvP that's been Rage Whisper Approved (took him to IC for a week)
3. A StamBlade who uses only 1 proc set, the monster set. I still prefer my Eternal Hunt setup with Spriggan (recently changed from Hulk Draugr). I'm also planning a Heavy setup (Ravager?) and a gank setup too (Clever Alchemist + Automaton)

Not matter which one I play, NB is still a great and fun class

If you plan to PvE as well, I would recommend MagBlade over Stam

What gear and skills do you recommend for a PvE MagBlade?

5x BSW or Julianos
2x Grothdarr
3x Aether jewelry

Fire Staff on front and put you single target skills as well as Meteor and Blockade

Lightning Staff bacbar with Sap Essence, Path and Destro Ulti

Oh, and make sure you have a Siphoning Skill on both bars

The_Duke wrote: »

On my sap tank Ill be running 2 troll king 5 orgnums and 5 necrop once I get the troll king shoulders in the right weight and trait. Between shield, sap and regen I should be almost unkillable.

Hehe, I run the same build on my Sap Tank , except I use Green Pact instead of Necro with the Wrothgar HP + HP Regen food: 40k HP, 1500 Mag Regen and 6k HP regen fully buffed

Tryxus wrote: »

Darth_Apache wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Ah, Nightblades... a really unappreciated class

I currently have 3 of them:

1. My main MagBlade, who has 3 setups for PvP: a light, a heavy and a gank setup (last one needs a bit of testing tho, with the destro staff changes)
2. A Sap Tank, who has a HP Regen setup for PvP that's been Rage Whisper Approved (took him to IC for a week)
3. A StamBlade who uses only 1 proc set, the monster set. I still prefer my Eternal Hunt setup with Spriggan (recently changed from Hulk Draugr). I'm also planning a Heavy setup (Ravager?) and a gank setup too (Clever Alchemist + Automaton)

Not matter which one I play, NB is still a great and fun class

If you plan to PvE as well, I would recommend MagBlade over Stam

What gear and skills do you recommend for a PvE MagBlade?

5x BSW or Julianos
2x Grothdarr
3x Aether jewelry

Fire Staff on front and put you single target skills as well as Meteor and Blockade

Lightning Staff bacbar with Sap Essence, Path and Destro Ulti

Oh, and make sure you have a Siphoning Skill on both bars

The_Duke wrote: »

On my sap tank Ill be running 2 troll king 5 orgnums and 5 necrop once I get the troll king shoulders in the right weight and trait. Between shield, sap and regen I should be almost unkillable.

Hehe, I run the same build on my Sap Tank , except I use Green Pact instead of Necro with the Wrothgar HP + HP Regen food: 40k HP, 1500 Mag Regen and 6k HP regen fully buffed

I prefer the mag bonus of necro to the extra regen of green pact. I still want to do damage and be able to shield up to prevent burst during my regen tics.

lardvader

@The_Duke @Tryxus

What weight and traits are you running on your SAP tanks? And necro is that Withered Hand you refer to?

A long time ago I was planning to use Bahraha's Curse and Malubeth on my Breton but that was for PvE and I'm planning to spec for PvP SAP'ing now.

cpuScientist

Ugghhhh so much wrong in this thread. Don't know where to even start...

Tryxus

lardvader wrote: »

The_Duke Tryxus

What weight and traits are you running on your SAP tanks? And necro is that Withered Hand you refer to?

A long time ago I was planning to use Bahraha's Curse and Malubeth on my Breton but that was for PvE and I'm planning to spec for PvP SAP'ing now.

Currently have:

2x Troll King (1 Light, 1 Medium, both Impenetrable)
3x Orgnum's (Heavy Impenetrable)
2x Green Pact (Heavy Impenetrable)
All Magicka Enchants on gear

3x Green Pact (Healthy Jewelry, Mag Regen Enchants)

Orgnum's Sharpened Sword & Reinforced Board, Defending Resto Staff with Absorb Magicka enchant

Food: Orzorga's Blood Price Pie (HP + HP Regen)
Mundus: Atronach

Works like a charm

Necro is the Necropotence set. It's my preferred set on my main in both Light Armor or my Heavy Frost Staff Tank setup

IwakuraLain42

I haven't tried my mNB's yet but from testing my stamblade for the last two days (being on console) I see that she took quite a hit in damage and sustain. Even fully self buffed I see my Surprise Attacks are criting for 3k less damage in solo and dungeon plays (where there is usually no War Horn). Sustain is getting really tough, even with Siphoning up all the time and light attack weaving (which got easier to with SA this patch) I can usually watch my Stamina disappear. It looks/feels as if I get fewer Stamina back with Siphoning and Heavy Attacks.

lardvader

Tryxus wrote: »

lardvader wrote: »

The_Duke Tryxus

What weight and traits are you running on your SAP tanks? And necro is that Withered Hand you refer to?

A long time ago I was planning to use Bahraha's Curse and Malubeth on my Breton but that was for PvE and I'm planning to spec for PvP SAP'ing now.

Currently have:

2x Troll King (1 Light, 1 Medium, both Impenetrable)
3x Orgnum's (Heavy Impenetrable)
2x Green Pact (Heavy Impenetrable)
All Magicka Enchants on gear

3x Green Pact (Healthy Jewelry, Mag Regen Enchants)

Orgnum's Sharpened Sword & Reinforced Board, Defending Resto Staff with Absorb Magicka enchant

Food: Orzorga's Blood Price Pie (HP + HP Regen)
Mundus: Atronach

Works like a charm

Necro is the Necropotence set. It's my preferred set on my main in both Light Armor or my Heavy Frost Staff Tank setup

@Tryxus

Great perfect! Thanks for the details - guess I'll start farming in Grahtwood