Addressing the master writs

Banetek

With out fail, have completed all daily writs and have not received anything but a 4, 2x2 voucher 1 x17 voucher ... is this a scenario for others as well? Do we all need 8 or so max crafter alts in order to get these things to drop?

Lone_Wolf

Master writs drop randomly from normal Writ boxes after you turn in the quest. The amount of writ vouchers they give you are also based on the style/trait/quality.

It helps to have maximum skill in all crafting to maximize the chances of getting master writs, but again it falls to RNG. Give it time and eventually you will find a good one, or you can just buy one.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I only do writs on one character (my master crafter with 75% of motifs known). I have gotten 90 vouchers so far (one week). So, as long as this rate continues, I should be able to buy the Ebony motif in a few more weeks. Then, I'm done wasting my mats.

Khenarthi

I am doing the writs on my 12 characters which all have the trading skills at 50, though just one has learnt all motifs and recipes. So far, since Homestead dropped 2 weeks ago, I have been lucky enough to get just over 300 vouchers.

With them I bought the Ebony motif, and an Enchanting+Alchemy station for my Snugpod home.

So far I do not see a significant difference between characters who learnt all motifs, and characters who learnt none, but that's RNG.

Aletheion

Lone_Wolf wrote: »

Master writs drop randomly from normal Writ boxes after you turn in the quest. The amount of writ vouchers they give you are also based on the style/trait/quality.

It helps to have maximum skill in all crafting to maximize the chances of getting master writs, but again it falls to RNG. Give it time and eventually you will find a good one, or you can just buy one.

Well, according to the patch notes:

"Maximum-tier Writ reward boxes for all tradeskills now have a chance to provide a special invitation to craft a very specific item or set of items."

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the only way to get maximum-tier reward boxes is to have a level in that particular craft.

Of course, the patch notes also say:

"The frequency of Master Writ invites from standard Writ boxes is based on the overall associated tradeskill mastery possessed by the character."

My 8 toons have level 50 in all craft lines, a couple dozen styles known and a minimum of 4 traits and growing (thanks to trying to increase my drop rate). My main crafter with 35 motif styles and a full 9 trait mastery, and the drop rate is simply too low. And when they do drop, the likelihood of it being a decently high voucher count is even lower as the highest I've gotten is 6 vouchers. Doing daily writs since Homestead launch I have 45 vouchers (and as of a couple days ago have ceased to farm them because the drop rate is just too low for the number of mats used).

The system simply needs addressed to increase the drop rates.

-Aletheion

Agobi

It is basically the Zo$ motto; "All random,all the time!!"

Personally I think their neverending fascination with RNG needs to stop...and maybe try something really,really crazy like gamesystems that reward effort

Banetek

sorry I really don't know what RNG stands for..

Agobi

RNG.....or " no way I am getting that loot in my lifetime "

megnin

Banetek wrote: »

sorry I really don't know what RNG stands for..

Random Number Generator It's shorthand for something that has a random chance of occurring. RNGesus is the deity associated with randomness.

AlnilamE

I do 6 writs per day (one per craft) and I get a Master writ every other day or so. Most are for a low number of vouchers, but I've got a couple of better ones so I'm at 170ish vouchers.

AlMcFly

It's RNG. I do all craft writs on one character only since Homestead. To date I've received two master writs: one worth 14 writ vouchers and one worth 243 writ vouchers.

AlnilamE

AlMcFly wrote: »

It's RNG. I do all craft writs on one character only since Homestead. To date I've received two master writs: one worth 14 writ vouchers and one worth 243 writ vouchers.

Lucky bum! :-P

AlMcFly

AlnilamE wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

It's RNG. I do all craft writs on one character only since Homestead. To date I've received two master writs: one worth 14 writ vouchers and one worth 243 writ vouchers.

Lucky bum! :-P

Yeah, when I got that 243, I said in guild chat "I probably just now used up my RNG for an entire year" lol.

Banetek

I just wondered if there was some sort of *** list that zos puts people who give them a hard time or make boarder line trouble for them or such ingame ( cause I know some of them play )

You know, for people who anoy them, anoy others with out really doing something ban worthy or even " warning worthy " ( pretty much sums me up ingame

Anyhow thanks for the educational lesson. I guess I will continue to upgrade my trade skills, I'm 9 on light - wood, 8-9 on all heavy and about 6-7 on med 50 on everything else. About 69% motifs learned...

AlMcFly

Banetek wrote: »

I just wondered if there was some sort of *** list that zos puts people who give them a hard time or make boarder line trouble for them or such ingame ( cause I know some of them play )

You know, for people who anoy them, anoy others with out really doing something ban worthy or even " warning worthy " ( pretty much sums me up ingame

Anyhow thanks for the educational lesson. I guess I will continue to upgrade my trade skills, I'm 9 on light - wood, 8-9 on all heavy and about 6-7 on med 50 on everything else. About 69% motifs learned...

I doubt it. I've been warned a few times in this forum for essentially "being too mean", and I've had two master writs drop so far. RNG is RNG.

Synfaer

My main crafter has all traits learned and all but the akaviri style motifs, she gets significantly more master writs (for clothier/blacksmith/woodworker) than my other 5 max level crafters with 2-3 motifs styles learned and 80% traits known.
Someone mentioned on another thread that the influence of full motifs learned is multiplicative on your chances of getting a master writ, and i think he might be correct. What this means is, each full motif learned gives you a greater chance than the previous motif learned, so a character with all motifs learned will have a much better chance of a drop than a character that has half learned (eg 1 full motif learned increases your MW drop chance by 1%, 2nd increases it by another 2% for a total of 3% etc...).
This appears to be true for my main crafter, but RNG still plays a significant role in MW drops.

Cpt_Teemo

Khenarthi wrote: »

I am doing the writs on my 12 characters which all have the trading skills at 50, though just one has learnt all motifs and recipes. So far, since Homestead dropped 2 weeks ago, I have been lucky enough to get just over 300 vouchers.

With them I bought the Ebony motif, and an Enchanting+Alchemy station for my Snugpod home.

So far I do not see a significant difference between characters who learnt all motifs, and characters who learnt none, but that's RNG.

I still think its rigged, I have been doing these since it came out and since 12 days ago I haven't gotten a single master writ ever again on 8 crafting characters, one of which is my main crafter though that has almost all the motifs, achieves, traits etc.

Ourorboros

I've only been doing the writs on three alts at max, but one is 100% in pre-Homestead Crafting achievements. I've gotten a handful of writs, only one not from Master Crafter. I done enough for around 250 vouchers. Considering what I read here, I guess that's not bad.

saxgooner

just done my first day writs on xb1 eu.
main crafter all motifs + traits, 93% achievements and nothing.
second crafter nothing.
3rd minimal motifs, 0 traits, 1% complete and I get a master writ.
where is the logic of the more you know better the chance.

Cpt_Teemo

saxgooner wrote: »

just done my first day writs on xb1 eu.
main crafter all motifs + traits, 93% achievements and nothing.
second crafter nothing.
3rd minimal motifs, 0 traits, 1% complete and I get a master writ.
where is the logic of the more you know better the chance.

Dang atleast you got one, I haven't gotten any in the past 12 days on 8 characters.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

saxgooner wrote: »

just done my first day writs on xb1 eu.
main crafter all motifs + traits, 93% achievements and nothing.
second crafter nothing.
3rd minimal motifs, 0 traits, 1% complete and I get a master writ.
where is the logic of the more you know better the chance.

Dang atleast you got one, I haven't gotten any in the past 12 days on 8 characters.

Are they all max level crafters? I almost find that hard to believe if you are doing 48 max level writs a day. You would be very far on one side of the bell curve. I do them on 9 and have never gone a day without at least something.

STEVIL

Banetek wrote: »

With out fail, have completed all daily writs and have not received anything but a 4, 2x2 voucher 1 x17 voucher ... is this a scenario for others as well? Do we all need 8 or so max crafter alts in order to get these things to drop?

one formula offered up suggested the drop chance per tier-10 writ box opened was...

GC * SC * 50%

GC = how far along you are on the achievements for general crafting overall - look at the screen the bar are you a quart way done, halfway, thrtee quarters?

SC = same thing but with the bar for the specific crafting box type. So your alchemy percentage would be used only for alchey. your enchanting only for enchanting.

So its not just "how manyw rits" but very very very achievement based and both in the specific achievement for the craft and the overall.crafting.

So for instance that makes having lotsa crafts on one character (even if some aren't maxed yet" more likely to put out the masters for the ones that are tier-10.

Say your only an enchanter.

Say youe general crafting bar is thus at maybe 10% because you got nothing from any other crafts...
Say your enchanting is at 90%

you are still loking at 10% of 90% of 50% or... about 4.5% at best.

if you added say alchemy maxed and clothier maxed and provisioning maxed and blacksmith and wood at say half way...

now your general achievemnt is more like say 60% so your alchemy alone goes to 60% of 90% of 50% or around 27% drops.
then you add one all your other tyier-10s and you get much better odds.

maxing multiple crafts AND getting achievements unlocks across crafts will dramatically swing your odds.


not saying this is the exact formula - it certainly wasn't from me - but its general results matches what i have been seeing and explains why some folks at "max" get fewer than others.

i did a few look-overs on achievements both before homestead and after and you would be surprised how many craft related ones you might be only a step or two off of. last night i unlocked like four with a few guild store trips and some drinking.

Cpt_Teemo

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

saxgooner wrote: »

just done my first day writs on xb1 eu.
main crafter all motifs + traits, 93% achievements and nothing.
second crafter nothing.
3rd minimal motifs, 0 traits, 1% complete and I get a master writ.
where is the logic of the more you know better the chance.

Dang atleast you got one, I haven't gotten any in the past 12 days on 8 characters.

Are they all max level crafters? I almost find that hard to believe if you are doing 48 max level writs a day. You would be very far on one side of the bell curve. I do them on 9 and have never gone a day without at least something.

Only one basically has all the achieves / motifs / traits, others just have max tier level 50 craftings only on Cloth / BS / Wood / Prov, my main does all of them.

Synfaer

STEVIL wrote: »

Banetek wrote: »

With out fail, have completed all daily writs and have not received anything but a 4, 2x2 voucher 1 x17 voucher ... is this a scenario for others as well? Do we all need 8 or so max crafter alts in order to get these things to drop?

one formula offered up suggested the drop chance per tier-10 writ box opened was...

GC * SC * 50%

GC = how far along you are on the achievements for general crafting overall - look at the screen the bar are you a quart way done, halfway, thrtee quarters?

SC = same thing but with the bar for the specific crafting box type. So your alchemy percentage would be used only for alchey. your enchanting only for enchanting.

So its not just "how manyw rits" but very very very achievement based and both in the specific achievement for the craft and the overall.crafting.

So for instance that makes having lotsa crafts on one character (even if some aren't maxed yet" more likely to put out the masters for the ones that are tier-10.

Say your only an enchanter.

Say youe general crafting bar is thus at maybe 10% because you got nothing from any other crafts...
Say your enchanting is at 90%

you are still loking at 10% of 90% of 50% or... about 4.5% at best.

if you added say alchemy maxed and clothier maxed and provisioning maxed and blacksmith and wood at say half way...

now your general achievemnt is more like say 60% so your alchemy alone goes to 60% of 90% of 50% or around 27% drops.
then you add one all your other tyier-10s and you get much better odds.

maxing multiple crafts AND getting achievements unlocks across crafts will dramatically swing your odds.


not saying this is the exact formula - it certainly wasn't from me - but its general results matches what i have been seeing and explains why some folks at "max" get fewer than others.

i did a few look-overs on achievements both before homestead and after and you would be surprised how many craft related ones you might be only a step or two off of. last night i unlocked like four with a few guild store trips and some drinking.

My main crafter is getting more master writs for blacksmith & clothier but seems to be getting the same odds at enchanting & alchemy as my 'part time' crafters (less motifs & traits but all 50 in every craft skill). I think its going to take a lot of completed writs to get a trend considering the low drops rates, for example my main crafter has received 5 masterwrits for blacksmithing but 0 for wordworking....all traits known, all achievements ticked off for both crafts, same motifs etc. The low drop rates are giving the RNG a power trip

Mattock_Romulus

Since Homestead came out on PC, I have only received 3 master writs.
My character is maxed out on every craft, with skill points in each craft maxed.
I have 8 -9 traits learned on each craft. I only have 6-8 full motifs learned.

I do all my writs each day.

Messy1

I have 255 vouchers right now, all frim writs that I have received through crsfting myself

STEVIL

updegramub17_ESO wrote: »

Since Homestead came out on PC, I have only received 3 master writs.
My character is maxed out on every craft, with skill points in each craft maxed.
I have 8 -9 traits learned on each craft. I only have 6-8 full motifs learned.

I do all my writs each day.

ok so under journal and achievements - how far have you progressed in the crafting category overall bar and how far have you progressed in each craft itself achievement wise?

getting the skills maxed is easy for some and moderate for - but those achievements not so much as quick or as obvious.

Have you harvested 10k nodes to unlock grandmaster harvester?
Have you applied a gold glyph you made to a gold item you made?
Have you crafted a hajeiko glyph?
Have you created a purple food and a purple drink?
For full motifs - are those blue or purple or gold? Each non-crown exclusive style moves the needle.

lardvader

Banetek wrote: »

With out fail, have completed all daily writs and have not received anything but a 4, 2x2 voucher 1 x17 voucher ... is this a scenario for others as well? Do we all need 8 or so max crafter alts in order to get these things to drop?

Yes you need something like 8 master crafters

I have 7 that is doing 6 writs and 2 other that do 3 each so a total of 48 top level writs each day. I have done them every day since launch and yesterday I finally had enough vouchers to get ebony style (complete book 300 vouchers).

It is grindy as most things in this game. And it seems highly dependent on RNG. I'm missing 4 motifs on main crafter - I have received just as many "good" writs on alts with just a couple of motifs and zero traits researched.

I have only received one provisioning writ and mostly get alchemy and enchanter writs with 2-5 vocher pay-offs.

Cpt_Teemo

13 days now, even took the time to learn the 2 full new motifs Silken + Mazzatun still no master writ yet again.

36 writs every day, and one main master crafter.

Tonnopesce

STEVIL wrote: »

updegramub17_ESO wrote: »

Since Homestead came out on PC, I have only received 3 master writs.
My character is maxed out on every craft, with skill points in each craft maxed.
I have 8 -9 traits learned on each craft. I only have 6-8 full motifs learned.

I do all my writs each day.

ok so under journal and achievements - how far have you progressed in the crafting category overall bar and how far have you progressed in each craft itself achievement wise?

getting the skills maxed is easy for some and moderate for - but those achievements not so much as quick or as obvious.

Have you harvested 10k nodes to unlock grandmaster harvester?
Have you applied a gold glyph you made to a gold item you made?
Have you crafted a hajeiko glyph?
Have you created a purple food and a purple drink?
For full motifs - are those blue or purple or gold? Each non-crown exclusive style moves the needle.

You are assuming that is archivement related, so if i have let say 5-6/14 pages of a motif is like someone who have 0/14 pages, stupid logic is stupid...
In a motif like the yokudan or the trinimac that has a pretty bad rng you have to invest a lot to have the full book.
Mah...

Cpt_Teemo

I also find it hard to believe its based just on achievements as well, since I've seen new fresh crafters getting them everyday in my guild chats as well