Necropotence Sorc - Best trait setup?

Vaoh

What is the best way to run your trait
setup on a Magicka Sorc pet build that slots Necropotence and The Thief mundus stone?

After adding up the numbers, the stats from each setup's traits+glyphs end up like this:
• 7/7 Divines - 16.3% crit chance, 4008 Max Magicka
• 4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused - 14.3% crit chance, 4508 Max Magicka
• 7/7 Infused - 11% crit chance, 4810 Max Magicka

I think 4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused looks better but I don't really know tbh. Would like to hear what the math and DPS geniuses have to say!

Note: "4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused" means Divines on small pieces and Infused on big pieces.

Mic1007

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

In this unique case, I think Infused has its role to play.

SublimeSparo

Farm/buy both, leave purple, test on the dummy coming tomorrow

Vaoh

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Farm/buy both, leave purple, test on the dummy coming tomorrow

Farm them O_o no way.

I have both traits on the robe, but only Infused for the pants and Divines for the (Ilambris) headpiece.

I want to know if I should upgrade my Infused Necropotence Chest/Legs to Legendary, or if I should buy Divines Necropotence Legs and upgrade it with my Divines Robes to Legendary instead.

Lashiing

base divines boost base infused boost
head 1320 0.075 99 868 0.2 264
shoulder 1320 0.075 99 347.2 0.2 69.44
chest 1320 0.075 99 868 0.2 173.6
legs 1320 0.075 99 868 0.2 173.6
boots 1320 0.075 99 347.2 0.2 69.44
gloves 1320 0.075 99 347.2 0.2 69.44
belt 1320 0.075 99 347.2 0.2 69.44

e/ i swear this was much neater before i hit post, hit quote to see it more organized hopefully

Danksta

I'm not voting because I don't have a clue, but one thing to keep in mind is your enchantments will be boosted by racial bonuses, inner light/bound armor and other max magicka multipliers, while there are no such multipliers for crit rate, to my knowledge.

C4Bliss

I think you should ask someone like @Asayre if you want the math behind what is best...
i have heard people saying that all above 62% crit is overkill this update. If that is true it could be possible to go with infused on some pieces...

Tommy_The_Gun

7/7 Divines

7 pcs Necropotence (divines) + Twice-Born Star (also divines) and "The Mage" & "The Apprentice" mundus.

btw. isn't that weird that "Necropotence" and "Hunt Leader" is "sorcerer only" exclusive set ?

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Danksta

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

7 pcs Necropotence (divines) + Twice-Born Star (also divines) and "The Mage" & "The Apprentice" mundus.

btw. isn't that weird that "Necropotence" and "Hunt Leader" is "sorcerer only" exclusive set ?

Nightblade's Summon Shade skill count's as a pet so they both work for Nightblades. I haven't tested it but I believe Hunt Leader would work with Werewolf. In the future they could both work with Warden as well.

KochDerDamonen

Danksta wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

7 pcs Necropotence (divines) + Twice-Born Star (also divines) and "The Mage" & "The Apprentice" mundus.

btw. isn't that weird that "Necropotence" and "Hunt Leader" is "sorcerer only" exclusive set ?

Nightblade's Summon Shade skill count's as a pet so they both work for Nightblades. I haven't tested it but I believe Hunt Leader would work with Werewolf. In the future they could both work with Warden as well.

also the gear summons (daedroth and clannfear from helms, sword from morkuldiin), and the one morph of the bow ultimate that summons a bow. not that either of these would have good uptime

Vaoh

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

Sooo....... does anyone know for sure which setup (7/7 divines or 4/7 divines+3/7 infused) is better?

I just spent the gold and now have both Infused and Divines Necropotence Chest/Pants. I need to upgrade everything to Legendary so choosing the better trait matters In reality I'll either go 7/7 divines or 5/7 divines+2/7 infused but it's the same idea.

Izaki

Check out Asayre's stuff, then try to find this out for yourself with all the equations.

Keep in mind, that the more magicka you already have, the less of a boost to DPS infused will give. My take is that from a pure DPS perspective 7 Divines would be best. But I really can't be bothered trying to figure it out at 4am xD

Vaoh

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Check out Asayre's stuff, then try to find this out for yourself with all the equations.

Keep in mind, that the more magicka you already have, the less of a boost to DPS infused will give. My take is that from a pure DPS perspective 7 Divines would be best. But I really can't be bothered trying to figure it out at 4am xD

I'll definitely check it out.

Right now, in my specific case, we are talking about the choice between 347 raw Max Magicka (a 5th small-sized gold enchant) or 1.65% critical chance.

In a way I wish weapon traits had me questioning myself this way. Sharpened is always the better trait by a lot.

KingYogi415

I run necropotence on my tank build,

So I welcome the odd well fitted piece.

But infused head legs chest = bigger shields, can't dps or tank when your dead.

Cheers!

Lylith

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

7 pcs Necropotence (divines) + Twice-Born Star (also divines) and "The Mage" & "The Apprentice" mundus.

btw. isn't that weird that "Necropotence" and "Hunt Leader" is "sorcerer only" exclusive set ?

i haven't tried this variation, yet.

sounds interesting.

cheers.

EldritchPenguin

7/7 Divines

KingYogi415 wrote: »

I run necropotence on my tank build,

So I welcome the odd well fitted piece.

But infused head legs shoulders = bigger shields, can't dps or tank when your dead.

Cheers!

Isn't Infused best to run on chest/legs, since Divines will give you the same boost no matter what piece it's on, while Infused will grant a bigger bonus on bigger pieces because the enchants are better to begin with?

static_recharge

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

I have done the math on this and since you want your max magicka as high as possible, 4 divines and 3 infused on big items with the mage mundus is the biggest bang for your buck.

rustic_potato

7/7 Divines

Mathematically all divines is better. The difference between infused and divines for large pieces is 0.04%. So having infused big pieces you will do 0.12% less dps.. For a 50k DD that is a 60 dps decrease.. I hope that answers your question..

dpencil

7/7 Divines

UESP build editor says 7 divines is better, but not by much. It's trading crit chance for max mag. If you were planning to pvp in Necro without impen, 3 Infused would probably be better.

Vaoh

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

rustic_potato wrote: »

Mathematically all divines is better. The difference between infused and divines for large pieces is 0.04%. So having infused big pieces you will do 0.12% less dps.. For a 50k DD that is a 60 dps decrease.. I hope that answers your question..

Yeah it does. Ty!

Idk if I can afford to lose out on that kind of damage..... xD

But for real that helps a lot as I knew it was close but not that close.

SublimeSparo

I have it with 2 infused 3 divines at the mo, if the difference is that small i might just laugh off replacing the infused with divines, although my crit is a little low with 5 necro 4 moondancer 2 llambris

bebynnag

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

this is the combo i run on my mageblade.

tried all 3 combos with purple gear got the best results from the mixed set so went gold.

C4Bliss

Tested all 3 setups with same simple rotation. All divines always came out on top! I was honestly expecting infused big pieces to give me better results but i'm always 2k dps behind full divines...

puffytheslayer wrote: »

this is the combo i run on my mageblade.

tried all 3 combos with purple gear got the best results from the mixed set so went gold.

Can you tell me how big the difference in your results are?

SublimeSparo

C4Bliss wrote: »

Tested all 3 setups with same simple rotation. All divines always came out on top! I was honestly expecting infused big pieces to give me better results but i'm always 2k dps behind full divines...

puffytheslayer wrote: »

this is the combo i run on my mageblade.

tried all 3 combos with purple gear got the best results from the mixed set so went gold.

Can you tell me how big the difference in your results are?

Dang, will need to farm me some more worldbosses

C4Bliss

I will play around with my cp (off balance setup) tonight and see if i can get the mixed setup to be better...

Beardimus

For Magika pool its always been best 4/3. For mundus with % chances divines gains. All depends what you are after. If it's mathmatic damage out out you want is chi asayres stuff and calculate it.

Vaoh

4/7 Divines, 3/7 Infused

Beardimus wrote: »

For Magika pool its always been best 4/3. For mundus with % chances divines gains. All depends what you are after. If it's mathmatic damage out out you want is chi asayres stuff and calculate it.

It looks like I'd benefit ever-so-slightly more from running with 4 Divines and 3 Infused. However, I'm going to slot 7/7 Divines for three reasons:

1. The difference is DPS is extremely small and negligible. Though technically in favor of Divines by like 0.04% DPS or something like that, this is too close to matter in decision making.

2. All of my other gear sets are divines. It'd look bad to have 2 or 3 Infused gold armor pieces next to my current 27 other Divines gold armor pieces.

3. My Infused chest piece is the unique version from the quest in Rivenspire - it looks ugly in my inventory.

When the differences are so small, this stuff matters just as much to me. Going full 7/7 Divines has always been reliable and more versatile with mundus stones should you choose to pay around with your build a bit.