Trying to decide which system to buy ESO on? This is my ESO experience on both PC and PS4
Kaide
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On PC I'm running a GTX 980 with a SSD
On PS4 I have a SSHD
I run both on the highest speed Verizon Fios has to offer. Fiber optics.
Trying to decide which system to buy the game on? I've battled on the fields of both PS4 and PC....and this is what I've discovered...
Both systems have their pros and cons.
The biggest advantage PC has over console for me is NOT the graphics. Even though I have a powerful graphics card and SSD when I run the game on PC at Ultimate settings it still lags (These dips in performance do not happen all of the time....but it does happen often enough to annoy me). Which is interesting considering that out of the 100+ games in my Steam library all set at the highest possible settings....ESO is the only one that lags at the highest possible settings. When I lower the graphics settings to "High"...all of the issues disappear and the game runs almost flawlessly at a locked 60 FPS or higher. Even with graphics set to ULTIMATE the difference between PC and PS4 are not mind blowing. I hear all the time people say "The draw distance on PC is way further than on PS4"....BS....even when I have the draw distance set to max on PC there are still fogged areas in the distance (At max distance set you will still see fog at like 200-300 yards away). Is the draw distance on the PC further than PS4? Yes, maybe, but not by much....honestly its hard for me to tell. I do know that when I log into PC and set ultra settings I still see the fog. As far as graphics are concerned when you are comparing the "High" level setting on PC to the PS4 standard setting....there is NOT a huge difference. I think the only difference I really noticed was the water, smoother edges, and I think some rocks maybe had more detail. It wasnt game changing for me when I switched between PC and PS4 in terms of graphics.
So what is the biggest advantage PC has over PS4 for me? Frames Per Second. The FPS on the PS4 is set at 30 and on the PC it can go way over 60. You'll hear people all the time make the argument "Well thats ok because your eyes cannot see more than 30 FPS anyway"....which might be a decent argument if the frames were permanently locked at 30 FPS and could not drop. The biggest problem on PS4 is that when frames drop around or under 20 FPS you start blinking around the map. Even if the frames drop to 25 FPS I notice. I don't understand why any games in the year 2017 would release at 30 FPS knowing fully well that the game will drop below 30 FPS and become almost unplayable.
Where does PS4 have advantages over PC? I'd definitely say the population size on the PS4 is noticeably larger. I cannot walk 10 feet in the cities without tripping over another player. There are people literally everywhere. When I log onto PC there are still a decent amount of players but no where near the amount of people I see on PS4. I'm not sure if the XBox One population is as big as the PS4 population. I always buy First Person Shooter games on consoles instead of PC because the PC populations on games like that die out way faster. I think that might be the issue here. There are just so many options for games on PC that it is hard to retain a population on a multiplayer game. Also, I prefer to play with a controller on a big screen TV as opposed to a monitor. It just feels so much more relaxing to play on a couch or bed as opposed to sitting upright in a chair for hours. Some of us spend all day at work on a keyboard and monitor....and going home to play on a keyboard and monitor is not exactly appealing for a lot of us. Even though you can play on PC with a controller you will be at a disadvantage compared to those playing with a keyboard and mouse. However, aim assist for the controller lowers the advantage gap between the controller and keyboard and mouse. When I use a controller on PC I still can dominate in PvP, but I also realize that my aim and turning would be more precise/quicker on a keyboard and mouse.
A lot of people complain about the PS4 UI. However, for me...this is not an issue. It does take time getting used to....but is more of a preference once you get the hang of it.
Yes, you give up addons on PS4. However, everyone is on the same playing field. There are not people with better addons than others or a lot of hackers on PS4. Everyone is equal on the PS4...and I do think that brings a lot of value to that version of the game. Also, I like on PS4 how you can just plug a mic into the controller and talk to anyone you want. PC players will make the argument "Well on PC if you just download this program or that program and go through steps A, B, and C....you can do the same thing"....as tempting as it sounds to download more software onto my computer, lose storage space, and go through the painful process of creating accounts and passwords and minimizing screens just to log in to talk to other players.....when it comes to immersion nothing beats plugging a mic into a controller and instantly entering the conversation. For people without mics or who do not like to talk....you can buy mini Keyboards that plug directly into the PS4 and XBox One controllers.
Even though I have both version I spend more time on the PC for the increase in FPS. I was hoping that the consoles would get 60 FPS on the PS4 Pro and XBox One Scorpio versions....but it does not look like that is going to happen.
Edited by Kaide on February 18, 2017 11:52AM On PS4 I have a SSHD
I run both on the highest speed Verizon Fios has to offer. Fiber optics.
Trying to decide which system to buy the game on? I've battled on the fields of both PS4 and PC....and this is what I've discovered...
Both systems have their pros and cons.
The biggest advantage PC has over console for me is NOT the graphics. Even though I have a powerful graphics card and SSD when I run the game on PC at Ultimate settings it still lags (These dips in performance do not happen all of the time....but it does happen often enough to annoy me). Which is interesting considering that out of the 100+ games in my Steam library all set at the highest possible settings....ESO is the only one that lags at the highest possible settings. When I lower the graphics settings to "High"...all of the issues disappear and the game runs almost flawlessly at a locked 60 FPS or higher. Even with graphics set to ULTIMATE the difference between PC and PS4 are not mind blowing. I hear all the time people say "The draw distance on PC is way further than on PS4"....BS....even when I have the draw distance set to max on PC there are still fogged areas in the distance (At max distance set you will still see fog at like 200-300 yards away). Is the draw distance on the PC further than PS4? Yes, maybe, but not by much....honestly its hard for me to tell. I do know that when I log into PC and set ultra settings I still see the fog. As far as graphics are concerned when you are comparing the "High" level setting on PC to the PS4 standard setting....there is NOT a huge difference. I think the only difference I really noticed was the water, smoother edges, and I think some rocks maybe had more detail. It wasnt game changing for me when I switched between PC and PS4 in terms of graphics.
So what is the biggest advantage PC has over PS4 for me? Frames Per Second. The FPS on the PS4 is set at 30 and on the PC it can go way over 60. You'll hear people all the time make the argument "Well thats ok because your eyes cannot see more than 30 FPS anyway"....which might be a decent argument if the frames were permanently locked at 30 FPS and could not drop. The biggest problem on PS4 is that when frames drop around or under 20 FPS you start blinking around the map. Even if the frames drop to 25 FPS I notice. I don't understand why any games in the year 2017 would release at 30 FPS knowing fully well that the game will drop below 30 FPS and become almost unplayable.
Where does PS4 have advantages over PC? I'd definitely say the population size on the PS4 is noticeably larger. I cannot walk 10 feet in the cities without tripping over another player. There are people literally everywhere. When I log onto PC there are still a decent amount of players but no where near the amount of people I see on PS4. I'm not sure if the XBox One population is as big as the PS4 population. I always buy First Person Shooter games on consoles instead of PC because the PC populations on games like that die out way faster. I think that might be the issue here. There are just so many options for games on PC that it is hard to retain a population on a multiplayer game. Also, I prefer to play with a controller on a big screen TV as opposed to a monitor. It just feels so much more relaxing to play on a couch or bed as opposed to sitting upright in a chair for hours. Some of us spend all day at work on a keyboard and monitor....and going home to play on a keyboard and monitor is not exactly appealing for a lot of us. Even though you can play on PC with a controller you will be at a disadvantage compared to those playing with a keyboard and mouse. However, aim assist for the controller lowers the advantage gap between the controller and keyboard and mouse. When I use a controller on PC I still can dominate in PvP, but I also realize that my aim and turning would be more precise/quicker on a keyboard and mouse.
A lot of people complain about the PS4 UI. However, for me...this is not an issue. It does take time getting used to....but is more of a preference once you get the hang of it.
Yes, you give up addons on PS4. However, everyone is on the same playing field. There are not people with better addons than others or a lot of hackers on PS4. Everyone is equal on the PS4...and I do think that brings a lot of value to that version of the game. Also, I like on PS4 how you can just plug a mic into the controller and talk to anyone you want. PC players will make the argument "Well on PC if you just download this program or that program and go through steps A, B, and C....you can do the same thing"....as tempting as it sounds to download more software onto my computer, lose storage space, and go through the painful process of creating accounts and passwords and minimizing screens just to log in to talk to other players.....when it comes to immersion nothing beats plugging a mic into a controller and instantly entering the conversation. For people without mics or who do not like to talk....you can buy mini Keyboards that plug directly into the PS4 and XBox One controllers.
Even though I have both version I spend more time on the PC for the increase in FPS. I was hoping that the consoles would get 60 FPS on the PS4 Pro and XBox One Scorpio versions....but it does not look like that is going to happen.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like you want to play on PC but consoles will never get higher than 30 FPS because it's locked for logical reasonsEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 18, 2017 1:21PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you have it on PC and already spend the majority of your time on the PC version, then stay with the PC version.
The only reason I'd tell you to stay with the Console version is if you've already invested a lot of time into it, since ZOS doesn't allow account transfers.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Very good post, and echo most of my own experiences.
I would add it is much easier for me to make friends and join guilds on PS4, probably a result of being able to casually being able to talk to each other in group or guild chat in a few seconds.
I do play both on the same 4K 40" desktop monitor so my graphics experience is similar with the PC having the FPS advantage.
Lag I find on both platforms, but hard to compare in PvP because on PS4 there is always twice as many people grouping compared to my experience in PvP on PC.0 -
AlexanderDeLarge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Considering MMOs generally outlast the consoles they release on by 10-20 years... I'd go with PC.
Who knows whether there'll even be an Xbox or Playstation in 15 years. With AMD bringing down processing costs and being extremely competitive for the first time in about a decade, would people really rather buy a console than get a PC for $200 more that can do everything at a higher fidelity?Edited by AlexanderDeLarge on February 18, 2017 1:49PMDifficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 7 paid expansions. 22 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the vast majority of PvE content being sold.
"ESO doesn't need a harder overland" on YouTube for a video of a naked level 3 character w/ no CP allocated AFKing in front of a bear for a minute and a half before dying if you don't believe me change is needed.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm a bit confused over your having extensive experience of the game on both your machines but only now considering buying the game - is it perhaps someone else's copies you're playing currently? I don't think there's a free trial yet, is there? Or are you talking about which version to progress with in terms of DLCs etc?
The main question with the PC version is that it depends very much on your system. It's likely to be a lot easier to upgrade that for future enhancements than with the console versions. The PC just gives you so much more flexibility in my view.
As for missing out on addons with the console versions, it all depends on your playstyle and how important addons are to you. I've been playing the PC version since launch and haven't bothered with a single addon, but that's down to my playstyle and your whole approach may be different in which case the availability of addons could be a clincher for the PC.0 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭For me, it is more technical, I guess. I can't get used to using one hand on the mouse and the other on the keypad for movements and actions, or being that close to the PC screen for a long period of time. It is just easier to have a controller (console.) Plus, with PC, to be able to play on a big screen TV, you have to connect via HDMI.. too much cables going around. For PS4, for instance, the console, itself, is tucked away within the cabinet/entertainment center on the other side of the room under the TV, and the controller is wireless.. so, no cables running amuck. But hey, to each its own.. yeah.0 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"You'll hear people all the time make the argument "Well thats ok because your eyes cannot see more than 30 FPS anyway"....
I don't think too many people even try to make that argument anymore. The difference is easy to spot and obvious for most people. I mean there are side by side youtube videos that show It incredibly clearly and the only people who can't notice it are probably using a 30fps max monitor, or an old browser that can't go higher than 30fps or some such thing.
As for the addons and any "unfair advantage" they may bring, even if you don't use any of the "combat" addons there are a huge number of addons that simply give large quality of life improvements. Things like:
-Advanced Filters
-Wykydds Toolbar
-Awesome Guildstore
-Sous Chef
-minipap (various)
-Research Assistant
I could go on and on. None of these make you better, faster or stronger than anyone else. They just make inventory management, searches and certain game systems smoother and more intuitive. There is a reason why ZoS keeps copying various addons and adding them to the game.1 -
GreenhaloX wrote: »For me, it is more technical, I guess. I can't get used to using one hand on the mouse and the other on the keypad for movements and actions, or being that close to the PC screen for a long period of time. It is just easier to have a controller (console.) Plus, with PC, to be able to play on a big screen TV, you have to connect via HDMI.. too much cables going around. For PS4, for instance, the console, itself, is tucked away within the cabinet/entertainment center on the other side of the room under the TV, and the controller is wireless.. so, no cables running amuck. But hey, to each its own.. yeah.
Simple solution.... Link & wireless PS4/xbox controller (I prefer Xbox elite controller on win 10 due to simple button mapping and sensitivity settings).
That way there's no cables/wires. Better gaming experience and futureproofing.
As for FPS, the real issues arise in 12 man trials. As someone with CP 160+ toons on Xbox and PC I can honestly say PC is leagues ahead in that particular area.
OP post is good otherwise
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GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭Switched from Xbox one max cp account to PC. Even though a lot of grinding is required - worth every penny.PC/EU 800 CP.
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WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭PC bro. Expandability..
Your PS4 will be a paper weight in two years. Your PC you can upgrade.1 -
FOULMISCHIEF✭✭I initially bought the game on PS4, couldn't stand the sub-30 FPS and Medium graphics, switched to my MacBook Pro and was able to get 45 FPS on High settings @ 1080p.
If it runs better on Mac (via Windows Boot Camp, that is), then that's saying something.
I am also disappointed that my PS4 Pro can't even do 60 FPS for ESO, but it makes sense with a processor that's only clocked @ 2.1 GHz trying to render 60 FPS for an MMO.Edited by FOULMISCHIEF on February 18, 2017 6:56PM0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1/ Vanille UI vs. add-ons
2/ controller vs. keyboard
Unless you don't care about either, I can't help you.
But if you do, the choice is obvious.
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DephlaterMouse✭✭✭I've played on PC and xboxone NA. I stuck with xbox though for 1 reason only. The community.Edited by DephlaterMouse on February 18, 2017 7:23PMUSA to New Zealand transplant.0 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have the game on both pc and ps4 pro , but i stick yo my PS4 cuz of the 3 times more populated EU server and also i like the fack that we are equal in almost all aspects control and performance are the same and there are no hackers or addons wich important for me .Also the tec team recently announced that they r starting to work on the performance issues on PS4.1
