Transmog System Please

Toolzy

Yes...yet another thread begging ZOS to put in a transmog system.

/idle

andreasranasen

You got my vote!

STEVIL

Please do not give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have - style control.

Didn't drop sets gain enough in 1T?
When will enough be enough?

if every skeever drops a gold quality piece that changes to suit your motif de jour and and changes to suit the piece you need and changes set bonuses to match you need of the day and changes weight as you wish and levels as you level plus 2 addition levels on days ending in Y and the trait can be swapped in and out at will by telepathic command... will they want even more then too? Will it then be needed for merchant on the road to stop you and give them to you so you don't have to deal with skeevers?

andreasranasen

STEVIL wrote: »

Please do not give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have - style control.

Didn't drop sets gain enough in 1T?
When will enough be enough?

if every skeever drops a gold quality piece that changes to suit your motif de jour and and changes to suit the piece you need and changes set bonuses to match you need of the day and changes weight as you wish and levels as you level plus 2 addition levels on days ending in Y and the trait can be swapped in and out at will by telepathic command... will they want even more then too? Will it then be needed for merchant on the road to stop you and give them to you so you don't have to deal with skeevers?

In my experience, transmog has never changed the set bonuses. It just changed the style of the specific item.

STEVIL

andreasranasen wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Please do not give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have - style control.

Didn't drop sets gain enough in 1T?
When will enough be enough?

if every skeever drops a gold quality piece that changes to suit your motif de jour and and changes to suit the piece you need and changes set bonuses to match you need of the day and changes weight as you wish and levels as you level plus 2 addition levels on days ending in Y and the trait can be swapped in and out at will by telepathic command... will they want even more then too? Will it then be needed for merchant on the road to stop you and give them to you so you don't have to deal with skeevers?

In my experience, transmog has never changed the set bonuses. It just changed the style of the specific item.

yes but if you look around you will also see trait change threads too...

style control , unlike trait, is the last unique thing crafted sets have over drop sets - and drop set users - some drop set users - want it taken and given away to drop sets cuz - you know -drop sets aren't good enough right now - and need more incentive to use them.

Drop sets have multiple unique capabilities crafted sets cannot do in any way... so yeah lets rally thr troops to take the one and only unique thing that craft sets have and give it away.

or lets not and say we didn't.

jcaceresw

The ideal thing is that we can change either or both style and trait from any gear (including monster sets hopefully).

andreasranasen

jcaceresw wrote: »

The ideal thing is that we can change either or both style and trait from any gear (including monster sets hopefully).

I think that would just hurt the game. There would be no need to farm dungeons anymore. They would be quite pointless to do because as soon as you would get a helmet, you're out and you can just change the trait.

I rather have trait change on craftable gear.
And style change on ANY gear (incl monster sets and dropped sets). Style change on any gear wouldn't hurt the game. We currently already have this for Imperials and Morag Tong in June.

jcaceresw

andreasranasen wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

The ideal thing is that we can change either or both style and trait from any gear (including monster sets hopefully).

I think that would just hurt the game. There would be no need to farm dungeons anymore. They would be quite pointless to do because as soon as you would get a helmet, you're out and you can just change the trait.

I rather have trait change on craftable gear.
And style change on ANY gear (incl monster sets and dropped sets). Style change on any gear wouldn't hurt the game. We currently already have this for Imperials and Morag Tong in June.

Ok, maybe not on monster sets and VMA/DSA drops. I am not a fan of grinding or farming. I prefer to have the right weapons and traits to get much more DPS and to help my friends on such dungeons.

Toolzy

@STEVIL I was counting on you to post in here. :P

Eh...you know my conditions for a transmog system.

1. I prefer that only master crafters can recraft the items on a crafted item for a set amount of materials
2. The master crafter should have knowledge of said motif
3. Transmog/recrafting should not be applied to unique drop sets like the monster helms (I know some of them are ugly, but they are "unique")

I do not approve of a trait change as that changes the mechanics and performance of a player. Style is cosmetic and that's all I'm asking for

Artanis

Toolzy wrote: »

@STEVIL I was counting on you to post in here. :P

Eh...you know my conditions for a transmog system.

1. I prefer that only master crafters can recraft the items on a crafted item for a set amount of materials
2. The master crafter should have knowledge of said motif
3. Transmog/recrafting should not be applied to unique drop sets like the monster helms (I know some of them are ugly, but they are "unique")

I do not approve of a trait change as that changes the mechanics and performance of a player. Style is cosmetic and that's all I'm asking for

Just like Toolzy said, there are plenty of ways to implement a style change system without hurting the game, but, with this said, I doubt if ZOS will ever implement such changes, cause it's in their interest to have the players keep playing the game even if it's trying to craft the same sets but with different styles.

More than anything, they should allow us to dye weapons.

Toolzy

Artanis wrote: »

Just like Toolzy said, there are plenty of ways to implement a style change system without hurting the game, but, with this said, I doubt if ZOS will ever implement such changes, cause it's in their interest to have the players keep playing the game even if it's trying to craft the same sets but with different styles.

More than anything, they should allow us to dye weapons.

I actually thought that what I said is of benefit to both ZOS and the players. Think of it...Master Crafters are the only ones that can recraft crafted items. Master Crafters must have knowledge of said motif.

Which means:
a) Players will grind to get completed motifs so they can "sell" their services to recraft items
b) Some players will put in the money on crowns to buy motifs (good for ZOS)
c) Players who have/can acquire rare motifs like the Akaviri Motif (that's selling in the 100 thousands per chapter) can instead keep it to themselves and sell the services instead of letting someone else get in on the market (good for player)

You didn't just put in the days/months of work getting your crafting up to 50 and up to a 9 trait to "make furniture". You "are" a master crafter that can reforge/retailor/recarve the items. --- transmog

It's a win win situation in terms of playability, reusability and financial income for both players and ZOS. Just my thought...

iNSiPiD1

I've never been a fan of transmog in any Blizzard game, and I don't think I'll be a fan of them in ESO.

Danikat

I'd love to have something like this, and I think making it something crafters can do would be the most sensible way to implement it.

Lynx7386

This should be tied into crafting.

Runs

Would love the possibility to use up these 40+ motifs my crafter knows.

The more motifs they add the more I hate the uselessness of them. I have been learning them for completion which should eventually start paying off because of master writs. Still I think it would be fun to change my gear looks every now and then without having to regrind, or completely remake new items.

Toolzy

Lynx7386 wrote: »

This should be tied into crafting.

Bingo!

STEVIL

Runs wrote: »

Would love the possibility to use up these 40+ motifs my crafter knows.

The more motifs they add the more I hate the uselessness of them. I have been learning them for completion which should eventually start paying off because of master writs. Still I think it would be fun to change my gear looks every now and then without having to regrind, or completely remake new items.

RE the bold - i would too - that would be great.

you know one way to do this?

develop unique capabilities for crafted sets so that at most levels of play and especially end game the builds are mostly or most effective when they are a combination of crafted sets and non-crafted sets.

Instead, what folks seem to want is to have all drop sets, scrap the crafted sets altogether but get the style thing fixed and turn crafting into "alterations" as in "drop set support."

i do not see the final payoff for my crafting to be not actually crafting one damn thing but being able to polish and paint the drop sets for everybody.

The name is, after all, "crafting" not "refurbishing", not "alterations done here"

There is a difference in keeping busy with refurbishing drop sets and crafting sets that will be used and serve a role.

NewBlacksmurf

I don't want a transmog system.
I want to be able to change the item style and design based on a motif and the material type but keep the item level.

Toolzy

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I don't want a transmog system.
I want to be able to change the item style and design based on a motif and the material type but keep the item level.

That's essentially what a transmog system is. All I did was reword it up top. Same item, same stats, different look based on a motif.

NewBlacksmurf

Toolzy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I don't want a transmog system.
I want to be able to change the item style and design based on a motif and the material type but keep the item level.

That's essentially what a transmog system is. All I did was reword it up top. Same item, same stats, different look based on a motif.

@Toolzy

No it's not. Not at all which is why I commented.


My comment is suggesting that crafting requirements apply and allow me to use the material to designate the style and the motif to designate the design. Or use both and that's different because usually a transmog system in context to what's offered in RPGs or MMO games requires you to keep one item and match another to it

I'd say that would be a nightmare to have to hold an item for cosmetic purposes to use on another. The inventory is a nightmare and finding the item would also be a nightmare.

Recremen

STEVIL wrote: »

Please do not give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have - style control.

Didn't drop sets gain enough in 1T?
When will enough be enough?

if every skeever drops a gold quality piece that changes to suit your motif de jour and and changes to suit the piece you need and changes set bonuses to match you need of the day and changes weight as you wish and levels as you level plus 2 addition levels on days ending in Y and the trait can be swapped in and out at will by telepathic command... will they want even more then too? Will it then be needed for merchant on the road to stop you and give them to you so you don't have to deal with skeevers?

Please give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have. There is no reason to hamper fun just so a minority of people can feel exclusive.

#CraftingMustFall

olsborg

I support this with the full weight of my eso plus membership, oh wait....

STEVIL

Recremen wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Please do not give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have - style control.

Didn't drop sets gain enough in 1T?
When will enough be enough?

if every skeever drops a gold quality piece that changes to suit your motif de jour and and changes to suit the piece you need and changes set bonuses to match you need of the day and changes weight as you wish and levels as you level plus 2 addition levels on days ending in Y and the trait can be swapped in and out at will by telepathic command... will they want even more then too? Will it then be needed for merchant on the road to stop you and give them to you so you don't have to deal with skeevers?

Please give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have. There is no reason to hamper fun just so a minority of people can feel exclusive.

#CraftingMustFall

Would you say the same if that minority was two handed weapon users? cuz last i checked, a crafting line spends about as many skills to master as does the dual wield line.

this isn't just a few people - its a few skill lines worth of skills and lotsa time and levels and in some cases even more time and effort than it takes to level 2h to 50.

Asha_11_ESO

My vote is against having a transmog system in ESO. But, a style change system, as others have suggested, would be nice - as long as it's tied to crafting, and not via some token or station that simply lets you click buttons and change styles.

NewBlacksmurf

Asha_11_ESO wrote: »

My vote is against having a transmog system in ESO. But, a style change system, as others have suggested, would be nice - as long as it's tied to crafting, and not via some token or station that simply lets you click buttons and change styles.

Completely agree.
Requirements have to be motif learned and mats in the game

Toolzy

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Asha_11_ESO wrote: »

My vote is against having a transmog system in ESO. But, a style change system, as others have suggested, would be nice - as long as it's tied to crafting, and not via some token or station that simply lets you click buttons and change styles.

Completely agree.
Requirements have to be motif learned and mats in the game

@NewBlacksmurf

It's been a very long time that I played WoW but didn't they have a transmog but didn't require the item so you can apply the design to another?

In Diablo III, it has a transmog system that doesn't require you to keep the item but apply a collected item.

Anyway, what you and I want the same thing. Maybe "transmog" isn't the right term for it as it's maybe used loosely, but what I'm asking for is the ability to change the design of a current item.

ziaodix

I also believe that items that aren't bound become bound once style has been altered. Would keep people from making money on this type of system.

Recremen

STEVIL wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Please do not give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have - style control.

Didn't drop sets gain enough in 1T?
When will enough be enough?

if every skeever drops a gold quality piece that changes to suit your motif de jour and and changes to suit the piece you need and changes set bonuses to match you need of the day and changes weight as you wish and levels as you level plus 2 addition levels on days ending in Y and the trait can be swapped in and out at will by telepathic command... will they want even more then too? Will it then be needed for merchant on the road to stop you and give them to you so you don't have to deal with skeevers?

Please give away the last remaining unique capability that crafted sets have. There is no reason to hamper fun just so a minority of people can feel exclusive.

#CraftingMustFall

Would you say the same if that minority was two handed weapon users? cuz last i checked, a crafting line spends about as many skills to master as does the dual wield line.

this isn't just a few people - its a few skill lines worth of skills and lotsa time and levels and in some cases even more time and effort than it takes to level 2h to 50.

If two-handed weapons were holding back some really good fun feature then I would absolutely say #Two-HandedMustFall. I'm already saying this as a full trait, all-motif (minus three of the new ones) crafter. There is no reason to hold back the majority of players from having fun to prop up a system that needs to get looked at anyway. It's nonsense.

Besides, odds are they'll implement as free for ESO+ users and requiring some kind of cost for nonsubscribers while still having an in-game requirement like they do for the dye system. For instance, right now ESO+ subscribers can freely dye their costumes, but only if they have that dye. There is no doubt in my mind that you'll have to know the motif in order to be able to cosmetically switch something to that style/weight. That means you'll still have fun as a master crafter, and it will highlight the need to look at crafted sets when even more people switch over to dropped gear.

I'm just hoping they go whole hog and let us change our weapon cosmetics as well. Full wardrobe for all item slots and full dyeing for all item slots. Mix in some great Crown Store costumes and it'll be a new down of aesthetic exploration and excellence!

Recremen

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Asha_11_ESO wrote: »

My vote is against having a transmog system in ESO. But, a style change system, as others have suggested, would be nice - as long as it's tied to crafting, and not via some token or station that simply lets you click buttons and change styles.

Completely agree.
Requirements have to be motif learned and mats in the game

I disagree about requiring mats in the game. It should work like the dye system, where you have to invest a lot to get the dye (in this case, invest a lot to learn the motif) but then you're free to change it at will. Maybe keep that only for ESO+ members and have nonsubscribers have to use a style stone?

NewBlacksmurf

Toolzy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Asha_11_ESO wrote: »

My vote is against having a transmog system in ESO. But, a style change system, as others have suggested, would be nice - as long as it's tied to crafting, and not via some token or station that simply lets you click buttons and change styles.

Completely agree.
Requirements have to be motif learned and mats in the game

@NewBlacksmurf

It's been a very long time that I played WoW but didn't they have a transmog but didn't require the item so you can apply the design to another?

In Diablo III, it has a transmog system that doesn't require you to keep the item but apply a collected item.

Anyway, what you and I want the same thing. Maybe "transmog" isn't the right term for it as it's maybe used loosely, but what I'm asking for is the ability to change the design of a current item.

@Toolzy

In WoW it required you to have an item and keep that item to copy the artwork and look.

In Diablo 3 unless console differs, the item has to be on you or in the bank at least on Xbox one unless a recent changes occurred in Feb as all the items I deleted, I can't transmog

I don't think we agree but we share parts of the overall concept or idea.

How it's changed and what's required will determine if it's worth adding.

Just like housing now and the feedback about it. Ppl wanted housing but they didn't want a lot of the grinding, mat expense, cost, limitations, etc associated with it.

Tannus15

I don't want trait change transmog.

All I want is restyle.

Preferably crafters can make an item "Chest Armour Style - Glass" consumable which can be sold / traded and requires something with the same rarity as nirn mats.

This item can be consumed to change the style of any chest armour (light, medium heavy)