lightning staff and sweeps

Syiccal

will it increase sweeps dmg

Siliziumdioxid

Yes is does: Puncturing sweeps is AoE. Medium weaving is quite effective if paired with vMA staff and other respective sets (Aether got nerfed)

joshjda

Honestly lightning staves heavy attack will hit harder on multiple enemies then sweeps you would be better off slotting a heal if the healing is what you needed. Sweeps is obsolete when using lightning staff.

Syiccal

really?how do you come to that conclusion.
you have me intrigued

Siliziumdioxid

42553 Max Magicka, 2931 spelldamage, templar Lightning staff bar, 75 thaumaturge 96 elemental expert, 1 staff expert:
Asking uesp build editor the values are:

Puncturing sweeps (1.1 sec): 4*1583=6332
Pulsar(0.7 sec): 5649
Lightning Heavy(2sec?): 12720

Note that this is without Maelstromstaff. Maelstrom staff would buff every tick of a Lightning heavy attack!!
Second note: Puncturing Sweeps AoE dps is higher due to burning light proc. (combatmetrics testifies against the tooltip stating it has a 0.5 seconds cooldown)

So yeah in case you have a Lightning Maelstrom staff a max AoE fight would go: start with Pulsar then apply your dots: Lightning Blockade, Blazing spear, Ritual of retribution. Charging heavy attacks would be the spammable then.

Is there a better way to achieve max AoE dps?

There are already two interesting builds out there:
[url] https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/309550/elemental-fury-pve-heavy-attack-dk-build-homestead-ready-vmol-approved/p1 [/url]
[url] https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/302925/infallible-infinite-wizard-magsorc-vma-build-guide-video/p1 [/url]

DRXHarbinger

^you've forgotten the fact that sweeps will crit and it does 140% more to one target.. for instance I can land 6800+ self buffed ticks to a target with sweeps. Essentially anyone can achieve near 30k dps just from jabs alone.

Siliziumdioxid

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

^you've forgotten the fact that sweeps will crit and it does 140% more to one target.. for instance I can land 6800+ self buffed ticks to a target with sweeps. Essentially anyone can achieve near 30k dps just from jabs alone.

Thats true: i wrote down the noncrit values of all three attacks/abilities, but the other's can crit too. And yeah i have not evaluated the 140% more damage in an AoE fight.
(I personally would medium weave with puncturing sweeps, in nearly every case that isn't ranged. One exception maybe when some trash is near death so i get a destrostaff kill.)

DRXHarbinger

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

^you've forgotten the fact that sweeps will crit and it does 140% more to one target.. for instance I can land 6800+ self buffed ticks to a target with sweeps. Essentially anyone can achieve near 30k dps just from jabs alone.

Thats true: i wrote down the noncrit values of all three attacks/abilities, but the other's can crit too. And yeah i have not evaluated the 140% more damage in an AoE fight.
(I personally would medium weave with puncturing sweeps, in nearly every case that isn't ranged. One exception maybe when some trash is near death so i get a destrostaff kill.)

Use dual willpower swords for sweeps.

But it's horrendous more damage, the 140% of course can crit as well. So the actual damage output becomes way way way higher than the tooltip.

Lynx7386

So if I'm reading this right, lightning staff buffs all of your aoe damage?

I use a lightning staff on my magicka dragon knight, do things like engulfing flames, talons, deep breath, standard of might, and eruption get the boost?

EldritchPenguin

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So if I'm reading this right, lightning staff buffs all of your aoe damage?

I use a lightning staff on my magicka dragon knight, do things like engulfing flames, talons, deep breath, standard of might, and eruption get the boost?

Definitely. But I think most DK builds prefer twin Inferno for the 10% boost to their attack weaves through Engulfing Flames.

Lynx7386

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So if I'm reading this right, lightning staff buffs all of your aoe damage?

I use a lightning staff on my magicka dragon knight, do things like engulfing flames, talons, deep breath, standard of might, and eruption get the boost?

Definitely. But I think most DK builds prefer twin Inferno for the 10% boost to their attack weaves through Engulfing Flames.

Well I use Inferno front bar for single target and lightning for my aoe bar.

joshjda

Sweeps will only hit full damage on a single target then less then half on all others lightning staff hits hard on everything easily the most powerful aoe I've used 8k ticks with mediocre base damage sharpened staff 5 piece of light and setting enemies off balance.

DRXHarbinger

joshjda wrote: »

Sweeps will only hit full damage on a single target then less then half on all others lightning staff hits hard on everything easily the most powerful aoe I've used 8k ticks with mediocre base damage sharpened staff 5 piece of light and setting enemies off balance.

No sweeps hits for more on one target. Damage doesn't get halved for others it gets boosted for one. Sweeps out dpss lit staff heavies by a mile. All bar one except a certain trial boss.

danno8

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

42553 Max Magicka, 2931 spelldamage, templar Lightning staff bar, 75 thaumaturge 96 elemental expert, 1 staff expert:
Asking uesp build editor the values are:

Puncturing sweeps (1.1 sec): 4*1583=6332
Pulsar(0.7 sec): 5649
Lightning Heavy(2sec?): 12720

Note that this is without Maelstromstaff. Maelstrom staff would buff every tick of a Lightning heavy attack!!
Second note: Puncturing Sweeps AoE dps is higher due to burning light proc. (combatmetrics testifies against the tooltip stating it has a 0.5 seconds cooldown)

So yeah in case you have a Lightning Maelstrom staff a max AoE fight would go: start with Pulsar then apply your dots: Lightning Blockade, Blazing spear, Ritual of retribution. Charging heavy attacks would be the spammable then.

Is there a better way to achieve max AoE dps?

There are already two interesting builds out there:
[url] https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/309550/elemental-fury-pve-heavy-attack-dk-build-homestead-ready-vmol-approved/p1 [/url]
[url] https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/302925/infallible-infinite-wizard-magsorc-vma-build-guide-video/p1 [/url]

Like @DRXHarbinger said, the actual value is 6332*2.4=15201 for 1.1 seconds. Lightning based on your calculation is less than that, and it takes nearly twice as long.

joshjda

I was comparing my sorc to my templar without thinking about the differences in class perks being a templar using a lighting staff your sweeps would hit harder most likely.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Someone did the testing and you can see the results here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3662159/#Comment_3662159

Using a lightning staff will buff sweeps but not as much as dual swords will.

joshjda

I see what changed... They nerfed the 50% increased speed on heavy attacks for staves changed it to a damage buff yuck. That's why you are saying sweeps damage more now that's horrible. Any idea if fire and ice staves heavy's went back to super slow or not because without that 50% those will suck to use.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

joshjda wrote: »

I see what changed... They nerfed the 50% increased speed on heavy attacks for staves changed it to a damage buff yuck. That's why you are saying sweeps damage more now that's horrible.

It was not 50%, it was 10%. So 3 seconds to 2.7 seconds. I doubt you can tell the difference.

Lynx7386

I'm eager to try the changes on my magdk. 8% more damage on eruption, blockade, engulfing flames, and the destro ultimate, then the boost to single target damage on lava lash, Searing strike, and clench with Inferno staff.

I wonder though, do these single target/aoe damage bonuses apply at the time of the cast, or do you have to keep that staff on your active bar to keep the damage boost for dot effects?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'm eager to try the changes on my magdk. 8% more damage on eruption, blockade, engulfing flames, and the destro ultimate, then the boost to single target damage on lava lash, Searing strike, and clench with Inferno staff.

I wonder though, do these single target/aoe damage bonuses apply at the time of the cast, or do you have to keep that staff on your active bar to keep the damage boost for dot effects?

The extra damage is calculated with the staff you have out.

joshjda

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

joshjda wrote: »

I see what changed... They nerfed the 50% increased speed on heavy attacks for staves changed it to a damage buff yuck. That's why you are saying sweeps damage more now that's horrible.

It was not 50%, it was 10%. So 3 seconds to 2.7 seconds. I doubt you can tell the difference.

Yeah 10% my bad was thinking about the change from heavy skill decreased from 50% to 25%on heavy.