Is it intended that people can buy Furnishing items from the Furnisher then resell them?

OMA

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I just discovered today that people can buy things from the standard Furnisher Vendor and resell them at a steep profit in the guild stores. That green tea table, carved is sold for 250 gold at the furnisher vendor, then resold in guild stores in all of the major cities, in any number of guild stores for anywhere from 1,000 to 2,000 gold. This includes ALL items in that basic furnisher vendor, none of these items are bound and can be resold without having to know crafting for an usually huge profit margin.

OMA

Ok well I knew materials you could sell not, anyway guess it's normal then.

AoDD33pfri3d

They are probably trying to scam

OrphanHelgen

I sold some plants and stuff for around 3k, I had no idea they could be bought in vendor. Prob this is why.

IronMercer

AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »

They are probably trying to scam

There's no scam here. I've been watching this go on since homestead launched and it is hilarious. If people are stupid and/or lazy, they get fleeced. There's nothing to fix for the game mechanics. Players just need to visit the vendors and buy at the original price instead of feeding the inflated guild machine. When that starts happening, those items will fade away. Simply play the game and explore even a little, those vendors are in every major city in game. Those that continue to just take the short road and not check before spending deserve to lose their gold.

Ourorboros

Any chance the vendor items are also an item that can be crafted? That green tea table sounds like an item I crafted and sold. I wouldn't put something like this past zos.

IronMercer

Ourorboros wrote: »

Any chance the vendor items are also an item that can be crafted? That green tea table sounds like an item I crafted and sold. I wouldn't put something like this past zos.

Probably can be but people are totally buying these for 250 and selling them for 1-2k on the market. I know people doing this. The quest for a house makes you go to these vendors to buy an item...there's no excuse for being stupid enough to buy them on the guild stores. People buying them anywhere but the main vendors deserve every lost coin.

OMA

We have a lot of NEW people playing because of Homestead and it's obviously a scam. If it was crafted and sold fair enough it would say crafted on it right? Being a jerk just because you can is not cool.

Kazya

OMA, you can't actually tell if it is crafted or not, none of the things I've crafted actually say so. Regardless of the quality of the item.

When it comes to the vendor stuff, I wouldn't be surprise if some of it was possible to craft though so far the only white recipe's I found when looting are the ones which are sold by tailors, blacksmiths, grocers etc. So far not seen any recipe of the things sold at the standard furnishing vendor, but again.. I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist.

I have seen the wares up in the guildstores too, though I honestly expected it to be as that seem to be something which always happen, regardless of what it is about, when it is new or new'ish many people try to sell it to make a bit of in game money, while they can.

Not saying it is right, just that I don't think it will stop unless people don't buy those things, which won't happen until they realise that they can get them cheaper at the vendors.

Dhukath

Yes, this is homesteads' version of PVP.

OMA

Hoping for a Zos answer.

Turelus

This is no different from anyone else selling items over priced.

I could buy Obsidian for 15g and sell for 20g, it's on the buyer to know what they're buying.

Reivax

The game's own vendors do it... Go visit a weaponsmith. He gave you 27 gold for that white, trait-less rubedite back scratcher, now look - he's got it for sale in his shop at over 1,000 gold!

Nestor

Why would anyone buy something on a Kiosk for more than they could buy it from a Furniture Vendor?

Also, just because something is listed at a price, does not mean it sells for that price. I bet those items expire if not get pulled from the guild store before it expires.

Slurg

Nestor wrote: »

Why would anyone buy something on a Kiosk for more than they could buy it from a Furniture Vendor?

Also, just because something is listed at a price, does not mean it sells for that price. I bet those items expire if not get pulled from the guild store before it expires.

According to the MM data you would lose that bet.

People are buying these marked up vendor furniture items right along with the resold patterns you can get from the vendors. Also some of the 15 gold vendor style stones are selling for 20 to some buyers on guild stores. Hopefully less frequently as time goes on.

But it seems some players are unaware you can buy the items at a NPC vendor.

Nestor

@Slurg

I hate to say it, but the blame for this lies on the player who buys them at the inflated price. While ZOS does not really announce you can buy furniture from a game vendor, the quest to get you your first house does send you to the furniture vendor.

I don't think ZOS needs to do anything but maybe put a blurb on the splash screens about buying furniture from NPCs

Artis

OMA wrote: »

We have a lot of NEW people playing because of Homestead and it's obviously a scam. If it was crafted and sold fair enough it would say crafted on it right? Being a jerk just because you can is not cool.

What do you mean being a jerk? And why do you think only new people are buying this?

It's business, you pay more for convenience. Some people don't want to go to vendors, they want to buy their furniture while they are buying something else. And new players, actually, would find it at a vendor first. I see players in /z asking how to use guild traders all the time, but never - how to use a vendor.

Slurg

Nestor wrote: »

@Slurg

I hate to say it, but the blame for this lies on the player who buys them at the inflated price. While ZOS does not really announce you can buy furniture from a game vendor, the quest to get you your first house does send you to the furniture vendor.

I don't think ZOS needs to do anything but maybe put a blurb on the splash screens about buying furniture from NPCs

There were some people reporting a bug that made the furniture vendor's inventory not show up, but sure, it is lack of paying attention for the most part. Newer players especially may be a little overwhelmed by all this and unable to keep track of the entire inventory of the NPC they interacted with one time for a quest.

I would prefer to see it listed on the tooltip if a furniture item is available from a NPC vendor. They have the origin of every item in my collections menu on the tooltip, after all. Sure maybe some people are just dumb, but others may just be ignorant.

Artemiisia

also wondered why, the stuff I craft, dont have the label "crafted by name" on furniture


I like as a crafter, knowing someone out there is wearing the gear/weapons I make, would be great if this was also for furniture as well, knowing that my crafted tea table is in a house in reapers march, makes this game more "real-ish" RP way

Soella

You invest time into researching the game or paying those who did it instead of you.

OMA

Artemiisia wrote: »

also wondered why, the stuff I craft, dont have the label "crafted by name" on furniture


I like as a crafter, knowing someone out there is wearing the gear/weapons I make, would be great if this was also for furniture as well, knowing that my crafted tea table is in a house in reapers march, makes this game more "real-ish" RP way

Your right about that, other crafted items are noted that they are crafted and by whom. Now we don't know if the person that is selling the green tea table crafted it, which is to me worth a bit more, or just jacking up an easy to get cheap version of it. It's just bugging me that I can't tell the difference, of course I can buy the designs to make a plain burlap bag then sell it, but is that different than the plain burlap bag that the furnishing vendor sells? Technically no..

Turelus

Just as an update, I actually found a white blueprint (kitchen knife I think) in an urn last night, I am not sure if this is available from an NPC as well but it showed me they do drop in world (but less common than fine quality?).

Flaminir

This isn't always a deliberate thing thanks to the joys of MasterMerchant addon...

In the first week before I'd done anything to my own house I had no idea what was on sale at the vendors, I was browsing a guild store and saw a pack of basic stools that showed they were selling in my guild stores at 1k each over what this person was selling them for...

SO of course I bought them, and flipped them for 5k profit.

Then a few days later saw them in the in-game vendor for 100 gold each & chuckled.

Sordidfairytale

People are still buying the potency runes on guild stores, even though they are sold by enchanting vendors, everywhere.

People are still buying Cake Flour on guild stores even though Gulza sells it as a vendor in Hollow City.

Reivax

Artemiisia wrote: »

also wondered why, the stuff I craft, dont have the label "crafted by name" on furniture


I like as a crafter, knowing someone out there is wearing the gear/weapons I make, would be great if this was also for furniture as well, knowing that my crafted tea table is in a house in reapers march, makes this game more "real-ish" RP way

I *think* the reason for this is that the furniture stacks. Things that stack won't retain the creator's name, like potions and food.

Jayne_Doe

Turelus wrote: »

This is no different from anyone else selling items over priced.

I could buy Obsidian for 15g and sell for 20g, it's on the buyer to know what they're buying.

Yeah...I've seen the basic trait stones that you can buy from the vendors for 100g or more each at some guild traders (esp. nickel) on XB. I don't know if they sell or not.

malicia

Willing buyer, willing seller. This is simply free enterprise. The buyer is not force by any other than his own ignorance to buy at inflated prices. He's willing to pay the inflated price, so why should the seller lower his price?

The guild trading system is based on free enterprise. The alternative is for ZOS to fix prices, which will mean the end of the guild trading system.

EleonoraCrendraven

malicia wrote: »

Willing buyer, willing seller. This is simply free enterprise. The buyer is not force by any other than his own ignorance to buy at inflated prices. He's willing to pay the inflated price, so why should the seller lower his price?

Free enterprise, yes. No one is forced to buy these things from a guild vendor. And the quest of getting a home sends each player to a furnishing vendor...

1 visit furnishing vendor and buy all the things you need
2 visit guild vendor and buy the rest

Or wait a few weeks till the prices are dropping.

No need for ZOS to do anything since these prices are entirely player-driven. Free enterprise.