Kra'gh or Velidreth?

Ch4mpTW

Someone was telling me yesterday that Kra'gh is superior to Velidreth, and has more pros than cons to it. Is this accurate? I'm curious if I should keep using my Velidreth, who swap over to my Kra'gh.

This is on console by the way, so the Homestead changes haven't been applied yet. This is also for a PvE environment; specially upon a StamDK that will be primarily doing veteran dungeons solo. With veteran trials thrown into the mix every here and there. With changes made in Homestead also taken into consideration.

Ariotar

Kra'gh is better for sustained single target dps, veli for AOE and maelstrom

OrphanHelgen

Ariotar wrote: »

Kra'gh is better for sustained single target dps, veli for AOE and maelstrom

That's correct, also velidreth have more range, which can be good in many situations.

kylerjalen

What @Ariotar said ^
I run Kra'gh for PvP and Velidreth for PvE

Sigtric

For me, Kragh has the edge because I can better control which direction the DPS from it is going.

Ariotar

Kra'gh provides the penetration one piece which is huge, and the almost constant uptime on Kra'gh makes it do more damage over a longer time period than Veli

Asmael

Trials will always depend on group composition, by default, consider Major Fracture and Sharpened to always be up, leaving you with around 8k armor to penetrate.

If a group is running Power of the light (minor fracture), Alkosh, Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame and Crusher enchant, then likely Kra'gh won't be of much use, even more so if you're running Twice Fanged Snake (and you should run it only if the group is strictly running debuffs that help both magicka and stamina).

For solo play, Kra'gh is technically higher sustained damage, but has a learning curve and requires you to stay close to your target for maximum efficiency, while Velidreth is easier to use and more burst oriented. To sum it up: the right tool for the right job, but most likely, you won't be able to stay on your target constantly, so Velidreth is most likely a better pick for dungeons.

Ariotar

Asmael wrote: »

Trials will always depend on group composition, by default, consider Major Fracture and Sharpened to always be up, leaving you with around 8k armor to penetrate.

If a group is running Power of the light (minor fracture), Alkosh, Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame and Crusher enchant, then likely Kra'gh won't be of much use, even more so if you're running Twice Fanged Snake (and you should run it only if the group is strictly running debuffs that help both magicka and stamina).

For solo play, Kra'gh is technically higher sustained damage, but has a learning curve and requires you to stay close to your target for maximum efficiency, while Velidreth is easier to use and more burst oriented. To sum it up: the right tool for the right job, but most likely, you won't be able to stay on your target constantly, so Velidreth is most likely a better pick for dungeons.

Kinda agree, but you won't have all those armor debuffs in the majority of dungeons, which makes Kra'gh better for single target boss fights, and Veli better for trash or boss fights with lots of ads

Strider_Roshin

Velidreth is better because I doubt you're going to be using that stam character for trials. Plus with sharpened, major fracture, and Spriggan/TFS, and the crushing enchant you'll have more than enough penetration.

Asmael

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

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Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Ariotar wrote: »

Kra'gh is better for sustained single target dps, veli for AOE and maelstrom

That's correct, also velidreth have more range, which can be good in many situations.

Also isn't velidreth poison dmg not phy?

It's actually disease damage, to be specific.

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Asmael wrote: »

Trials will always depend on group composition, by default, consider Major Fracture and Sharpened to always be up, leaving you with around 8k armor to penetrate.

If a group is running Power of the light (minor fracture), Alkosh, Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame and Crusher enchant, then likely Kra'gh won't be of much use, even more so if you're running Twice Fanged Snake (and you should run it only if the group is strictly running debuffs that help both magicka and stamina).

For solo play, Kra'gh is technically higher sustained damage, but has a learning curve and requires you to stay close to your target for maximum efficiency, while Velidreth is easier to use and more burst oriented. To sum it up: the right tool for the right job, but most likely, you won't be able to stay on your target constantly, so Velidreth is most likely a better pick for dungeons.

@Asmael I see... So in other words, stick with Velidreth for the long run. Got it. I'm thinking 5pcs. Vicious Serpent, 3pcs. Agility, 2pcs. Velidreth, 1x Maelstrom's Axe, 1x Maelstrom's Bow, and 1x Maelstrom's Dagger. All sharpened of course and golden. Sound solid?

More than enough for both vMA and 12-men trials. Not the absolute highest DPS possible, but it's definitely possible to break 40k stDPS in sustained fights with it.

Housing just dropped, so there's still stuff to test anyway, not going to say which setup is BiS right now, because the answer isn't that easy to guess actually.

(and no one read this but vMA daggers / 1h axes isn't the current highest single target DPS for stam DK, but sssh)

Dr_Rektar

Before homestead I tried to do vma with veli and with Kraft. Was way better with velidreth , how about now I didn't tested yet.

Ch4mpTW

Ariotar wrote: »

Kra'gh is better for sustained single target dps, veli for AOE and maelstrom

So out of curiosity, doesn't Velidreth do more damage though? Even on single target enemies? By the way, I'm running: Maelstrom DW and Bow. So I can't swap up some stuff weapon-wise to incorporate more sets.

NoFlash

neither. Re-roll magicka cuz zos hates stam in endgame trials

Cpt_Teemo

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

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Ariotar wrote: »

Kra'gh is better for sustained single target dps, veli for AOE and maelstrom

That's correct, also velidreth have more range, which can be good in many situations.

Also isn't velidreth poison dmg not phy?

Ch4mpTW

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

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OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Ariotar wrote: »

Kra'gh is better for sustained single target dps, veli for AOE and maelstrom

That's correct, also velidreth have more range, which can be good in many situations.

Also isn't velidreth poison dmg not phy?

It's actually disease damage, to be specific.

Asmael wrote: »

Trials will always depend on group composition, by default, consider Major Fracture and Sharpened to always be up, leaving you with around 8k armor to penetrate.

If a group is running Power of the light (minor fracture), Alkosh, Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame and Crusher enchant, then likely Kra'gh won't be of much use, even more so if you're running Twice Fanged Snake (and you should run it only if the group is strictly running debuffs that help both magicka and stamina).

For solo play, Kra'gh is technically higher sustained damage, but has a learning curve and requires you to stay close to your target for maximum efficiency, while Velidreth is easier to use and more burst oriented. To sum it up: the right tool for the right job, but most likely, you won't be able to stay on your target constantly, so Velidreth is most likely a better pick for dungeons.

@Asmael I see... So in other words, stick with Velidreth for the long run. Got it. I'm thinking 5pcs. Vicious Serpent, 3pcs. Agility, 2pcs. Velidreth, 1x Maelstrom's Axe, 1x Maelstrom's Bow, and 1x Maelstrom's Dagger. All sharpened of course and golden. Sound solid?

Bobby_V_Rockit

I cant decide

method__01

guess it depends on the build but veli is op for stamsorc

raasdal

If we look at only the proc ability, and ignore the 1pcs., and assume single target DPS, Kragh has a theoretical potential damage of about 50% more damage than Velidreth... That is the basic math, when looking at the sets.

Wether you can tap into that damage or not, is entirely dependant on your build and the enemy.