"Every class is strong in its own way"

Solidsnake993

I thought I was a garbage player when all I played was nightblade for the past year and a half, since game launch on consoles. Until about 4 months ago when I started making other characters. Made a Magicka sorcerer, probably not going to play it. Made a Templar, have a really cool build that I want to make and it will be really strong (easy to play). Then I made a stamsorc and after that I realized that I wasn't garbage, but rather that I was playing the second most underpowered class in the game, first being stamplar.

I hated this game until I played the other classes. I don't even want to play my nightblade anymore other than ganking because it seems that this is the only way they can be played.

I have a trials group on the PSN, (not really a guild) and then leader for vso talked to me in a chat party with 3 other people and told me that they don't want me playing my nightblade with them in trials. Why did they say this? Because they know that they are absolutely incapable of staying alive in PvE. The day after he told me this he said 2 people that were nightblades kept dying over and over again, and that is because they do not have good self heals. They probably have the second worst sustain in the game in terms of health, again stamplar is worse. He just wants me to use my stamsorc for trials from now on. I don't really mind but this is a problem when people say that every class is strong in its own way. Because of this ignorance, they do not realize that certain classes just outperform others and they do not seem to care because their attitude is "Get good, the game is fine the way it is". Look at Magicka Sorcerer for example. If you had a build with a lot of recovery and you used dark deal to manage stamina for CCs, you were unstoppable. I just couldn't wait until they nerfed those shields. You can have 20k damage resistance to all incomming attacks for 20 seconds with harness magicka and hardened ward. Then people say it is fine the way it is but it really wasn't, it was extremely broken.

All I am asking for is some kind of buff that gives nightblades better sustain over health. They do not excel at anything in this game other than ganking people and to be honest they cannot even do that without proc sets. Look at crit surge for example, Why is it that a freaking stamsorc can get a higher score on a dps test than a nightblade can? Best damage in the game? Look at hurricane. Stamsorc outperforms any other stamina class in terms of dps. I know it's getting toned down a little next patch though.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Better sustain over health? You mean you want more self heals for a class that can intsagib a player in PvP? So you want no counter play, this being if our fail the gank in PvP, you get punished, usually by dieing.


This really sounds like a healer problem. If a healer can't keep you up when you are not standing in stupid, it is that healers fault.

I assume you are a stamblade, because if you are a magblade and are having trouble with self heals, you are magblading wrong. So if you are really concerned about self heals on a stamblade, use blood thirst and blood craze. The DPS loss is really not that big and you get crazy good heals from them. And of course get vigor. I don't mention rally and brawler from two hander becuase you will get laughed out of trials if you use it but you can solo 95% of the game with just those 2 skills.




Also harness magika is a 6 second shield now, not 20 seconds, has been for a while.

technohic

I have been playing a stamplar a lot better than when I was a typical magplar. I survive longer in medium armor non-meta now than I did in heavy armor spamming HTD. Reason being, it seems to fit my play style better.

I think having the right fit is better than perceived balance issues.

Solidsnake993

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Better sustain over health? You mean you want more self heals for a class that can intsagib a player in PvP? So you want no counter play, this being if our fail the gank in PvP, you get punished, usually by dieing.


This really sounds like a healer problem. If a healer can't keep you up when you are not standing in stupid, it is that healers fault.

I assume you are a stamblade, because if you are a magblade and are having trouble with self heals, you are magblading wrong. So if you are really concerned about self heals on a stamblade, use blood thirst and blood craze. The DPS loss is really not that big and you get crazy good heals from them. And of course get vigor. I don't mention rally and brawler from two hander becuase you will get laughed out of trials if you use it but you can solo 95% of the game with just those 2 skills.




Also harness magika is a 6 second shield now, not 20 seconds, has been for a while.

Magblade is op in pve. I am aware of this. I know that shields last 6 seconds, I was saying that the 20 seconds was absolutely ridiculous how freaking easy it was to reset a fight. Wait about 10 seconds in a duel and then reaply another shield. I call bull *** when people told me its fine the way it is back then. I'm not just talking about trials, this isn't a pvp thread and I'm not complaining about pvp. In maelstrom the class that looks like the biggest joke in this content are nightblades (not stamplar because we know they do not have the damage). Why can a stamsorc get a higher score on a dps test than a nightblade? Are you seriously talking about nightblades being the strongest class in terms of dps when a stamsorc can get a higher score? Look at crit surge. Add something like that for nightblades and pve wont look like a joke to them.

technohic wrote: »

I have been playing a stamplar a lot better than when I was a typical magplar. I survive longer in medium armor non-meta now than I did in heavy armor spamming HTD. Reason being, it seems to fit my play style better.

I think having the right fit is better than perceived balance issues.

Or you can be completely wrong and it is a balance issue. I'm not going to explain the problem with stamplar right now because you are probably already aware of it. Magicka is stronger and they always will be. Trial groups that are serious will not take you if you are a stamplar. They do not care how good you think you are, they do not care.

technohic

Solidsnake993 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Better sustain over health? You mean you want more self heals for a class that can intsagib a player in PvP? So you want no counter play, this being if our fail the gank in PvP, you get punished, usually by dieing.


This really sounds like a healer problem. If a healer can't keep you up when you are not standing in stupid, it is that healers fault.

I assume you are a stamblade, because if you are a magblade and are having trouble with self heals, you are magblading wrong. So if you are really concerned about self heals on a stamblade, use blood thirst and blood craze. The DPS loss is really not that big and you get crazy good heals from them. And of course get vigor. I don't mention rally and brawler from two hander becuase you will get laughed out of trials if you use it but you can solo 95% of the game with just those 2 skills.




Also harness magika is a 6 second shield now, not 20 seconds, has been for a while.

Magblade is op in pve. I am aware of this. I know that shields last 6 seconds, I was saying that the 20 seconds was absolutely ridiculous how freaking easy it was to reset a fight. Wait about 10 seconds in a duel and then reaply another shield. I call bull *** when people told me its fine the way it is back then. I'm not just talking about trials, this isn't a pvp thread and I'm not complaining about pvp. In maelstrom the class that looks like the biggest joke in this content are nightblades (not stamplar because we know they do not have the damage). Why can a stamsorc get a higher score on a dps test than a nightblade? Are you seriously talking about nightblades being the strongest class in terms of dps when a stamsorc can get a higher score? Look at crit surge. Add something like that for nightblades and pve wont look like a joke to them.

technohic wrote: »

I have been playing a stamplar a lot better than when I was a typical magplar. I survive longer in medium armor non-meta now than I did in heavy armor spamming HTD. Reason being, it seems to fit my play style better.

I think having the right fit is better than perceived balance issues.

Or you can be completely wrong and it is a balance issue. I'm not going to explain the problem with stamplar right now because you are probably already aware of it. Magicka is stronger and they always will be. Trial groups that are serious will not take you if you are a stamplar. They do not care how good you think you are, they do not care.

I'm not doing trials or otherwise it wouldn't be a fit.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Solidsnake993 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Better sustain over health? You mean you want more self heals for a class that can intsagib a player in PvP? So you want no counter play, this being if our fail the gank in PvP, you get punished, usually by dieing.


This really sounds like a healer problem. If a healer can't keep you up when you are not standing in stupid, it is that healers fault.

I assume you are a stamblade, because if you are a magblade and are having trouble with self heals, you are magblading wrong. So if you are really concerned about self heals on a stamblade, use blood thirst and blood craze. The DPS loss is really not that big and you get crazy good heals from them. And of course get vigor. I don't mention rally and brawler from two hander becuase you will get laughed out of trials if you use it but you can solo 95% of the game with just those 2 skills.




Also harness magika is a 6 second shield now, not 20 seconds, has been for a while.

Magblade is op in pve. I am aware of this. I know that shields last 6 seconds, I was saying that the 20 seconds was absolutely ridiculous how freaking easy it was to reset a fight. Wait about 10 seconds in a duel and then reaply another shield. I call bull *** when people told me its fine the way it is back then. I'm not just talking about trials, this isn't a pvp thread and I'm not complaining about pvp. In maelstrom the class that looks like the biggest joke in this content are nightblades (not stamplar because we know they do not have the damage). Why can a stamsorc get a higher score on a dps test than a nightblade? Are you seriously talking about nightblades being the strongest class in terms of dps when a stamsorc can get a higher score? Look at crit surge. Add something like that for nightblades and pve wont look like a joke to them.

technohic wrote: »

I have been playing a stamplar a lot better than when I was a typical magplar. I survive longer in medium armor non-meta now than I did in heavy armor spamming HTD. Reason being, it seems to fit my play style better.

I think having the right fit is better than perceived balance issues.

Or you can be completely wrong and it is a balance issue. I'm not going to explain the problem with stamplar right now because you are probably already aware of it. Magicka is stronger and they always will be. Trial groups that are serious will not take you if you are a stamplar. They do not care how good you think you are, they do not care.

How about you just work on making your favorite class worm instead of complaining about others?

You did not mention any of the ideas I told you, IE blood craze and blood thirst. There are ways to get good enough dps not to get kicked out of trials and have good survivability.

Also you start talking about deuling, what does that have to do trials? If you are using the same build for duals that you are trying to run trials, you are doing it wrong.

Nidro

I'm playing mostly Magicka Sorc for Trials..
But when im not in for score runs, i usually go with stam DK, stam sorc, stam nb, mag nb, magplar.
just any of those, to put them in a weekly Trial reward.
in Trials i like the nightblade. 50k+ execute straight from 25% and down. + DoTs running
You can put in alot of suvivability skills in Trials. For Example deadly cloak.. 20% aoe damage mitigation.
you can even place vigor on your backbar for emergenzy heals.
You will NOT have space for this when playing a stam sorc for example.

What i wanna say is, if you are playing a stam nb correctly, it is better than any other class that IS NOT PLAYED CORRECTLY.

in Terms of High-End DPS looking at single target fights its like: Stam DK > StamSorc/Stam NB > Stamplar
For DPS with AoE Fights ist probably Stam Sorc > Stam DK/Stam NB > stamplar

with maelstrom weapons a stam - Trial - build should do about 33-35k DPS self-buffed (no Group buffs)
but this Comes only with a correctly played Rotation and knowledge of Boss fights/mechanics

always remember: dead DD = negative DPS
--> other DD have to res you and results in even more DPS loss

Yours Nidro~~

Sarato

Solidsnake993 wrote: »

I thought I was a garbage player when all I played was nightblade for the past year and a half, since game launch on consoles. Until about 4 months ago when I started making other characters. Made a Magicka sorcerer, probably not going to play it. Made a Templar, have a really cool build that I want to make and it will be really strong (easy to play). Then I made a stamsorc and after that I realized that I wasn't garbage, but rather that I was playing the second most underpowered class in the game, first being stamplar.

I hated this game until I played the other classes. I don't even want to play my nightblade anymore other than ganking because it seems that this is the only way they can be played.

I have a trials group on the PSN, (not really a guild) and then leader for vso talked to me in a chat party with 3 other people and told me that they don't want me playing my nightblade with them in trials. Why did they say this? Because they know that they are absolutely incapable of staying alive in PvE. The day after he told me this he said 2 people that were nightblades kept dying over and over again, and that is because they do not have good self heals. They probably have the second worst sustain in the game in terms of health, again stamplar is worse. He just wants me to use my stamsorc for trials from now on. I don't really mind but this is a problem when people say that every class is strong in its own way. Because of this ignorance, they do not realize that certain classes just outperform others and they do not seem to care because their attitude is "Get good, the game is fine the way it is". Look at Magicka Sorcerer for example. If you had a build with a lot of recovery and you used dark deal to manage stamina for CCs, you were unstoppable. I just couldn't wait until they nerfed those shields. You can have 20k damage resistance to all incomming attacks for 20 seconds with harness magicka and hardened ward. Then people say it is fine the way it is but it really wasn't, it was extremely broken.

All I am asking for is some kind of buff that gives nightblades better sustain over health. They do not excel at anything in this game other than ganking people and to be honest they cannot even do that without proc sets. Look at crit surge for example, Why is it that a freaking stamsorc can get a higher score on a dps test than a nightblade can? Best damage in the game? Look at hurricane. Stamsorc outperforms any other stamina class in terms of dps. I know it's getting toned down a little next patch though.

Stamblades feel pretty underpowered for me

agingerinohio

As a healer who has been going into random pugs again for that xp daily boost, I have noticed that they just can't stay alive. They get one and two shot all the time by simple mobs. It doesn't matter how much I heal/buff them and debuff the enemies, they are almost insta-death everytime even with 20k health.

However, when I'm healing trials I have seen some rather tanky stamblades throwing out a lot of damage and required little to no healing. Perhaps it has something to do with their cp allocation and sets they're running, how often they're using potions. Makes me want to make a stamblade myself and test out the survivability.

QuebraRegra

agingerinohio wrote: »

As a healer who has been going into random pugs again for that xp daily boost, I have noticed that they just can't stay alive. They get one and two shot all the time by simple mobs. It doesn't matter how much I heal/buff them and debuff the enemies, they are almost insta-death everytime even with 20k health.

However, when I'm healing trials I have seen some rather tanky stamblades throwing out a lot of damage and required little to no healing. Perhaps it has something to do with their cp allocation and sets they're running, how often they're using potions. Makes me want to make a stamblade myself and test out the survivability.

yer first paragraph has been my experience with STAMBLADE... one shot to death. Maybe it's me coming off my MAGBLADE that can just shield up and tank with AOE health drains?

When you find the secret of STAMBLADE DPS/TANKING let me know You can go heavy I guess for more dmg resistance, but you sacrifice in DPS that way.

Well like I was told in a dungeon once... I guess I just need to "git gud" :0

Danksta

QuebraRegra wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

As a healer who has been going into random pugs again for that xp daily boost, I have noticed that they just can't stay alive. They get one and two shot all the time by simple mobs. It doesn't matter how much I heal/buff them and debuff the enemies, they are almost insta-death everytime even with 20k health.

However, when I'm healing trials I have seen some rather tanky stamblades throwing out a lot of damage and required little to no healing. Perhaps it has something to do with their cp allocation and sets they're running, how often they're using potions. Makes me want to make a stamblade myself and test out the survivability.

yer first paragraph has been my experience with STAMBLADE... one shot to death. Maybe it's me coming off my MAGBLADE that can just shield up and tank with AOE health drains?

When you find the secret of STAMBLADE DPS/TANKING let me know You can go heavy I guess for more dmg resistance, but you sacrifice in DPS that way.

Well like I was told in a dungeon once... I guess I just need to "git gud" :0

Do you use Deadly Cloak. It's a strong defensive skill worth slotting on stamina characters.

QuebraRegra

Danksta wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

As a healer who has been going into random pugs again for that xp daily boost, I have noticed that they just can't stay alive. They get one and two shot all the time by simple mobs. It doesn't matter how much I heal/buff them and debuff the enemies, they are almost insta-death everytime even with 20k health.

However, when I'm healing trials I have seen some rather tanky stamblades throwing out a lot of damage and required little to no healing. Perhaps it has something to do with their cp allocation and sets they're running, how often they're using potions. Makes me want to make a stamblade myself and test out the survivability.

yer first paragraph has been my experience with STAMBLADE... one shot to death. Maybe it's me coming off my MAGBLADE that can just shield up and tank with AOE health drains?

When you find the secret of STAMBLADE DPS/TANKING let me know You can go heavy I guess for more dmg resistance, but you sacrifice in DPS that way.

Well like I was told in a dungeon once... I guess I just need to "git gud" :0

Do you use Deadly Cloak. It's a strong defensive skill worth slotting on stamina characters.

Deadly cloak says it's only good against AOEs, and it's pretty expensive in terms of stam cost, and the dmg looks like a joke. Better I should use MIRAGE from my MAG pool (no scaling required), and get defensive buffs against everything, and a chance to completely dodge... for 20 seconds... also triggering the shadow passive.

Dantaria

QuebraRegra wrote: »

When you find the secret of STAMBLADE DPS/TANKING let me know You can go heavy I guess for more dmg resistance, but you sacrifice in DPS that way.

Well like I was told in a dungeon once... I guess I just need to "git gud" :0

Ironclad. 48+ points into Ironclad.

This star is a beast. With 48 in Ironclad even my skinny magsorc can take a punch without shields.

If you don't have enough CP, sacrifice Hardy and Elemental Defender - they were nerfed, they are nowhere near as useful as they were. But Ironclad is very useful.

Try putting 48 points into Ironclad, really. Entirely different game.