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Turn the Forums Around
MidknightWolf
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If you're new, please bare with these morbid forums. Thousands and thousands of players are in the game and really enjoying it. I would like to take part in turning these forums around to make them more "new player" friendly as I can say that each time I come to visit here I just find my self depressed. The game is fantastic. It is one of the best mmorpgs of all time as far as I can say. ZOS did a real fine job and continue to make things better and better.
I guess you can say that the more negative and volatile these forums are directly reflect how passionate the player base is, and if that is true, then everyone here is extremely passionate. I just wish the majority could be a little more constructive.
Edited by MidknightWolf on February 9, 2017 1:49AM I guess you can say that the more negative and volatile these forums are directly reflect how passionate the player base is, and if that is true, then everyone here is extremely passionate. I just wish the majority could be a little more constructive.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
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˙punoɹɐ sɯnɹoɟ ǝɥʇ uɹnʇ s,ʇǝl 'sǝ⅄"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU38 -
Yes because none of the posts are valid critiques or concerns. Everything is sunshine and roses!
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Rene_Valionus✭✭✭The forums are where some people come to vent, so the negativity from time to time is a norm.2 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Game forms are negative, because we come here when we have something we want fixed. Sometimes, sometimes, something has us so hyped or impressed or is impressive or funny and we want to share that, but we can share those things in-game with our fellow players.
The forums? The forums are where we expect the devs to see us, and by goly as someone who's spent his fair share on this game and played for two years on pc and a couple months now on ps4... love the game, have a great time playing it. But I don't need to make a thread about that, snoozeville, rather tell ZOS to get off their buns and make the Ice Furnace set not total trash.
Please, though, someone think of Ice Furnace.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].4 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For about the quintillionth time: People who are actually negative towards the game don't post here. They don't care enough to do so. Yeah, there's the occasional "I quit six months ago and only come here to make fun of you guys for still playing," because there's always a-holes. For the most part, people who actually take the time and effort to post here are people who enjoy the game, care about the game, and want to see the game improve.
If ZOS actually sucked, you wouldn't see the negativity you see here because no one would bother to be here.
The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions. I don't mean "that's not very good." I mean like, "I literally cannot bring myself to believe one human being, even one, on the entire planet thought that was a good idea, much less a whole team of people."
I'm here because I love this game. I admire the people who write this game. I adore the artists who design the look of the game. I love what they've done. I'm passionate about what they've done.
That's why I get frustrated with it when I see the same company seemingly trying to destroy its own accomplishment.
Why get upset about Crown Crates when so many other companies do the same? Because I think ZOS is better than those other companies, and I hold them to that standard even when they do not. Why am I disappointed in Homestead? Because I've seen what this team is capable of, I know they could have made something that would have had me in tears of joy, and they chose to go a completely different route.
Why negativity? Because ZOS are way too amazing to make the mistakes they make.Edited by MasterSpatula on February 9, 2017 2:08AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle11 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭thing is the marketing team is better than their development team. things look nice but beside that there is nothing awesome about it, just broke net code, mind numbing rng, bugs that have been around for months if not years and more introduced with each new 'feature'.
I feel bad for people buying the game based on all the trimmed truths.Edited by BRogueNZ on February 9, 2017 2:17AM3 -
AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*0 -
S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭Reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bRXN92-fdsE/Ucixr3wSGnI/AAAAAAAAQNI/HlNdaid3jTE/s1600/calvin-hobbes-1993-10-21-happy-content-not-euphoric-unhappy-ruined.png
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✭Is this your first game forums OP?Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!4 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Is it weird that i find it weird that people think game forums should be happy places?Edited by Shunravi on February 9, 2017 2:47AMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
SnuggleMePlease✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised."Heavy-bearded Y'ffre, speak through me. Tell us of the time before time. Let the story grow in me. Let my heart echo to the pounding of your feet along the story-lines, the bones of the world. I will walk Your steps, and know Your story."
SnuggleMePlease - NA - AD
Green Prophet of Bosmeri Pride
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.0 -
BlueViolet✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »For about the quintillionth time: People who are actually negative towards the game don't post here. They don't care enough to do so. Yeah, there's the occasional "I quit six months ago and only come here to make fun of you guys for still playing," because there's always a-holes. For the most part, people who actually take the time and effort to post here are people who enjoy the game, care about the game, and want to see the game improve..
This.
I don't know how many more times it has to be said before people listen.
Sunshine and rainbows are all very well and good, but how would Zeni know when they're doing something that makes the players game experience not so good, if people don't come and give feedback?
I post when I think something is well done. I also complain. I'm going to complain and post negative feedback every time I feel that Zenimax does something that I believe is detrimental to the life of ESO in my view, as one of their players. Not because I like to complain. Not because I want to fill the forum full of whining. But because I love the game, I want to enjoy it and I want it to last and have a long life so that I can keep playing. And I'm sure that at least 90% of the people who complain on the boards feel the same way.
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SnuggleMePlease✭✭✭SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
For the sake of not derailing the thread into the various ways I feel ZoS has been less than satisfactory, I'll decline that request. There are plenty of threads where we can--and have--discussed that matter. My point here is that there is a fine line between discussing the game's flaws as a community and berating players for having any criticisms or qualms with the game at all (in all of our encounters, I've usually seen you do the latter). You should stop.
If the sole purpose of your posting is to try and besmirch the OP or claim that the thread shouldn't have been created, then you should just stop. That isn't conducive to a healthy dialogue, it is authoritarian and unnecessary. These conversations are vital.Edited by SnuggleMePlease on February 9, 2017 3:15AM"Heavy-bearded Y'ffre, speak through me. Tell us of the time before time. Let the story grow in me. Let my heart echo to the pounding of your feet along the story-lines, the bones of the world. I will walk Your steps, and know Your story."
SnuggleMePlease - NA - AD
Green Prophet of Bosmeri Pride
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AlMcFly✭✭✭✭✭
✭SnuggleMePlease wrote: »SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
For the sake of not derailing the thread into the various ways I feel ZoS has been less than satisfactory, I'll decline that request. There are plenty of threads where we can--and have--discussed that matter. My point here is that there is a fine line between discussing the game's flaws as a community and berating players for having any criticisms or qualms with the game at all (in all of our encounters, I've usually seen you do the latter). You should stop.
If the sole purpose of your posting is to try and besmirch the OP or claim that the thread shouldn't have been created, then you should just stop. That isn't conducive to a healthy dialogue, it is authoritarian and unnecessary. These conversations are vital.
I think it's very conducive to the discussion to point out that so many people claim ZOS has not fulfilled some "promise", yet not a single person can point out a single broken promise. Nothing but high expectations based on no foundation whatsoever, and outrage when that expectation isn't met. It's very popular to attack ZOS with disrespectful language as if they aren't hardworking men and women wanting the best for ESO. Oh, but how dare I criticize a single all important gamer. Shame on me.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
heres a few quotes
"armor you can make will allways be better then what is dropped"
"you will never have to pay for any new content if you have a valid subscription"
"we are tracking every bit of XP you have earned, when we go to the CP system all of you will be far ahead of the curve"
"there will never be Large size Bosses in TESO, we will be sticking to the elderscrolls size's"
"we just do not have any plans to ever be buy to play nor free to play, it's just not what we will ever do"
"we do not have any plans to expand to consoles, it's just not in our future"
this list goes on and on and on ...
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SaRuZ✭✭✭✭✭ZoS despises this forum. They make it painfully obvious with every video they make.
Honestly, they should. The majority of forum users are addicted to a video game on an unhealthy level. Prowling forums at work and even taking breaks while playing to check them. The forum community is very toxic. Just like any addiction, users are bitter.Edited by SaRuZ on February 9, 2017 3:34AM1 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
heres a few quotes
"armor you can make will allways be better then what is dropped"
"you will never have to pay for any new content if you have a valid subscription"
"we are tracking every bit of XP you have earned, when we go to the CP system all of you will be far ahead of the curve"
"there will never be Large size Bosses in TESO, we will be sticking to the elderscrolls size's"
"we just do not have any plans to ever be buy to play nor free to play, it's just not what we will ever do"
"we do not have any plans to expand to consoles, it's just not in our future"
this list goes on and on and on ...
I actually don't remember the thing about Boss sizes or never going to console, but I remember every one of the others."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
SnuggleMePlease✭✭✭SnuggleMePlease wrote: »SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
For the sake of not derailing the thread into the various ways I feel ZoS has been less than satisfactory, I'll decline that request. There are plenty of threads where we can--and have--discussed that matter. My point here is that there is a fine line between discussing the game's flaws as a community and berating players for having any criticisms or qualms with the game at all (in all of our encounters, I've usually seen you do the latter). You should stop.
If the sole purpose of your posting is to try and besmirch the OP or claim that the thread shouldn't have been created, then you should just stop. That isn't conducive to a healthy dialogue, it is authoritarian and unnecessary. These conversations are vital.
I think it's very conducive to the discussion to point out that so many people claim ZOS has not fulfilled some "promise", yet not a single person can point out a single broken promise. Nothing but high expectations based on no foundation whatsoever, and outrage when that expectation isn't met. It's very popular to attack ZOS with disrespectful language as if they aren't hardworking men and women wanting the best for ESO. Oh, but how dare I criticize a single all important gamer. Shame on me.
That's funny, because I've seen many insightful threads that have pointed out the ways in which ZoS could be doing a better job on fulfilling their promises to the players. Although, I guess I do have eyeballs. I, personally, believe that one should try to be as courteous as possible when expressing a criticism of the game, but the courteousness of a criticism has nothing to do with its validity. In fact, sometimes the most harshly-worded criticisms are the most valuable.
Nobody is here to sugar-coat things for ZoS or speak to them like they're children incapable of receiving criticism. We're all adults, or at least that is what I've thought thus far. Furthermore, it is not up to you to determine what is or is not an acceptable way of communicating with ZoS. That is what we have this and this for.
On the contrary, an individual's right to express that criticism in the place allocated for communication with ZoS is always valid. Customers have a right to complain if they find fault with the product a company is selling. How they do so is entirely up to them and doesn't necessitate your seal of approval. A free marketplace of ideas and attitudes is more essential to the game's success than you know.Edited by SnuggleMePlease on February 9, 2017 3:34AM"Heavy-bearded Y'ffre, speak through me. Tell us of the time before time. Let the story grow in me. Let my heart echo to the pounding of your feet along the story-lines, the bones of the world. I will walk Your steps, and know Your story."
SnuggleMePlease - NA - AD
Green Prophet of Bosmeri Pride
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✭MidknightWolf wrote: »If you're new, please bare with these morbid forums. Thousands and thousands of players are in the game and really enjoying it. I would like to take part in turning these forums around to make them more "new player" friendly as I can say that each time I come to visit here I just find my self depressed. The game is fantastic. It is one of the best mmorpgs of all time as far as I can say. ZOS did a real fine job and continue to make things better and better.
I guess you can say that the more negative and volatile these forums are directly reflect how passionate the player base is, and if that is true, then everyone here is extremely passionate. I just wish the majority could be a little more constructive.
Yea, once they bought the game, they'll have to face amazing crashes and errors every 5-15min, then sell it or come here to complain or find fixes.
It wasn't like this buggy last year this time, it only turned sour mid year last year. It's now broken and changed to money maker and grind for the impossible ALL part of the game!! This is on PS4 pro.Pc na2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
heres a few quotes
"armor you can make will allways be better then what is dropped"
"you will never have to pay for any new content if you have a valid subscription"
"we are tracking every bit of XP you have earned, when we go to the CP system all of you will be far ahead of the curve"
"there will never be Large size Bosses in TESO, we will be sticking to the elderscrolls size's"
"we just do not have any plans to ever be buy to play nor free to play, it's just not what we will ever do"
"we do not have any plans to expand to consoles, it's just not in our future"
this list goes on and on and on ...
I actually don't remember the thing about Boss sizes or never going to console, but I remember every one of the others.
was spoken of on ESO facebook page when you and i transfered from the bethesda forums to this forum.0 -
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✭ZoS despises this forum. They make it painfully obvious with every video they make.
Honestly, they should. The majority of forum users are addicted to a video game on an unhealthy level. Prowling forums at work and even taking breaks while playing to check them. The forum community is very toxic. Just like any addiction, users are bitter.
Still salty over gankers in IC, I see.
Stay salty my friends.0 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »SnuggleMePlease wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »The problem is the inconsistency. ZOS makes some decisions that are great, genuinely ahead of the curve of the entire industry. They absolutely blow me away. But ZOS also makes mind-bogglingly bad decisions.
You know what? The way you describe ZOS, it's almost as if...as if they are human. Here I was holding them to the expectation that everything they release should be absolutely perfect and cater to all my hopes. No. I choose not to believe they are human. That's not possible. *Sarcasm*
Expecting a company to follow a consistent set of standards throughout their operation and release consistently valuable content is perfectly reasonable, especially when we've all paid to be here in some form or another. If anything, your constant attacks on anyone who has anything even slightly negative, even if constructive, to say about the current state of affairs is more needlessly negative than the type of players @MasterSpatula described.
Nobody is expecting the moon and stars from ZoS; we all should be expecting that which they've already promised.
Interesting. Please elaborate on these "promises" ZOS has not upheld...I'm waiting.
heres a few quotes
"armor you can make will allways be better then what is dropped"
"you will never have to pay for any new content if you have a valid subscription"
"we are tracking every bit of XP you have earned, when we go to the CP system all of you will be far ahead of the curve"
"there will never be Large size Bosses in TESO, we will be sticking to the elderscrolls size's"
"we just do not have any plans to ever be buy to play nor free to play, it's just not what we will ever do"
"we do not have any plans to expand to consoles, it's just not in our future"
this list goes on and on and on ...
And those are the easy ones.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!3 -
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✭This thread went south rather fast xD
I like the forum negativity.
Its all mostly valid arguments.
Plus its all funny.2 -
SnuggleMePlease✭✭✭The ESO Community is far better than communities I've been a part of in the past. Almost everyone is in love with the expansive world of Tamriel. We all are very invested in making sure that it succeeds, and sometimes that means that we disagree on what that success looks like. However, at the end of the day, we're a community--players and developers alike--bound together by an intense passion for this world that we've all contributed to the creation of.
Does that mean that everyone is 100% content 100% of the time? Of course not. In fact, that is a very rare occurrence, but I would like to believe that even the most stern criticisms of ZoS come from a place of love and passion at their very core. Negativity is simply a necessary part of the process that forges wonderful games. One day, you may even thank the nay-sayers."Heavy-bearded Y'ffre, speak through me. Tell us of the time before time. Let the story grow in me. Let my heart echo to the pounding of your feet along the story-lines, the bones of the world. I will walk Your steps, and know Your story."
SnuggleMePlease - NA - AD
Green Prophet of Bosmeri Pride
Esmira Oakenwreath3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
https://youtu.be/lcOxhH8N3Bo