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  • Riga_Mortis
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.

    Didnt ask if you thought I was famous lol. Your reply says it all really, so Im off to Git Gud and become famous aswell pmsl.

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  • Uriel_Nocturne
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.
    Oh, and by the way, aren't you arrogant yourself to make statements like games would be better if we had no people like that, *** off with that mentality, you judge people but never judged yourself.
    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.
    You aren't making your case any better. Those aren't exactly ringing endorsements... lmao

    But you keep puckering your butthole in defense of those screaming sycophants. I'll just keep playing the game, and hope ZOS doesn't screw it up to badly while making changes based off of niche demands from even smaller niche Twitch (not-so-famous-at-all) streamers.

    Edited by Uriel_Nocturne on February 8, 2017 4:08PM
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  • Dawnblade
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    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    I don't know why people spend so much time worrying about other people doing whatever other people do. From ZoS's pov they are free marketing, they can give them a good sales pitch and they will go out and evangelize Morrowind on their streams and sell boxes. This was actually a good decision by their marketing team.

    I really hope they got a good buy on that super bowl spot, because the guy who rationalized that buy, I don't know what to say, but I hope the person got a good kick back from the ad buy or a future job.

    I hope players realize they paid for that spot, and will be paying for other spots / marketing for Morrowind, as well as events like the hosting of streamers at ZOS this week.

    The real reason Morrowind is a new chapter and being sold for $40 is because it will be hyped with a large marketing budget designed to bring in new / returning players.



    Edited by Dawnblade on February 8, 2017 4:14PM
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    Dawnblade wrote: »
    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    I don't know why people spend so much time worrying about other people doing whatever other people do. From ZoS's pov they are free marketing, they can give them a good sales pitch and they will go out and evangelize Morrowind on their streams and sell boxes. This was actually a good decision by their marketing team.

    I really hope they got a good buy on that super bowl spot, because the guy who rationalized that buy, I don't know what to say, but I hope the person got a good kick back from the ad buy or a future job.

    I hope players realize they paid for that spot, and will be paying for other spots / marketing for Morrowind, as well as events like the hosting of streamers at ZOS this week.

    The real reason Morrowind is a new chapter and being sold for $40 is because it will be hyped with a large marketing budget designed to bring in new / returning players.



    Personally, I'll read the steam reviews a week or two after it's out and if it looks mostly positive I'll bite. I have such a backlog of games to play though I'm not in much of a rush and the VIVE keeps me focusing in a narrower set of games these days.
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  • JinMori
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    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.
    Oh, and by the way, aren't you arrogant yourself to make statements like games would be better if we had no people like that, *** off with that mentality, you judge people but never judged yourself.
    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.
    You aren't making your case any better. Those aren't exactly ringing endorsements... lmao

    But you keep puckering your butthole in defense of those screaming sycophants. I'll just keep playing the game, and hope ZOS doesn't screw it up to badly while making changes based off of niche demands from even smaller niche Twitch (not-so-famous-at-all) streamers.

    I don't know about each streamer, if i find one that is being a complete idiot that i will judge him as such, but all the streamer i know are good players, and i would much rather put the game in they're hands compared to yours.
  • Uriel_Nocturne
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.
    Oh, and by the way, aren't you arrogant yourself to make statements like games would be better if we had no people like that, *** off with that mentality, you judge people but never judged yourself.
    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.
    You aren't making your case any better. Those aren't exactly ringing endorsements... lmao

    But you keep puckering your butthole in defense of those screaming sycophants. I'll just keep playing the game, and hope ZOS doesn't screw it up to badly while making changes based off of niche demands from even smaller niche Twitch (not-so-famous-at-all) streamers.

    I don't know about each streamer, if i find one that is being a complete idiot that i will judge him as such, but all the streamer i know are good players, and i would much rather put the game in they're hands compared to yours.
    So let me read you clearly: Without knowing or reading any ideas I might have, you've already judged my opinion on ESO as absolute dog *** compared to those arrogant streamers, who by and large, want the game micromanaged and changed to benefit the smallest niche demographic of people playing the game?

    Because that's exactly what you're saying.

    The amount of incoherent fallacy you're spewing right now is awe inspiring in all the worst ways.

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  • qsnoopyjr
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    I saw a thread on "balance for the average player"

    If a bunch of streamers and top tier players, decide who the average player is. Do you think they are correct?
    Or do you think they should just get an 'average player', and see how he 'averagely plays', rather than what streamers and top tier sterotype/prejudice them to be.

    This new content only for streamers and the elite? If they have average player mindset, maybe they should observe average players.
    If any of these designers that pick beta testers have MBA, they know what a good research method is and what is a bad one.
    Studying average players using streamers and elite, thats research bias.

    They need random picking, controlled environment. They are selectively picking, so their research will be biased.
    Edited by qsnoopyjr on February 8, 2017 6:08PM
  • JinMori
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    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.
    Oh, and by the way, aren't you arrogant yourself to make statements like games would be better if we had no people like that, *** off with that mentality, you judge people but never judged yourself.
    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.
    You aren't making your case any better. Those aren't exactly ringing endorsements... lmao

    But you keep puckering your butthole in defense of those screaming sycophants. I'll just keep playing the game, and hope ZOS doesn't screw it up to badly while making changes based off of niche demands from even smaller niche Twitch (not-so-famous-at-all) streamers.

    I don't know about each streamer, if i find one that is being a complete idiot that i will judge him as such, but all the streamer i know are good players, and i would much rather put the game in they're hands compared to yours.
    So let me read you clearly: Without knowing or reading any ideas I might have, you've already judged my opinion on ESO as absolute dog *** compared to those arrogant streamers, who by and large, want the game micromanaged and changed to benefit the smallest niche demographic of people playing the game?

    Because that's exactly what you're saying.

    The amount of incoherent fallacy you're spewing right now is awe inspiring in all the worst ways.

    Not all your opinions, just this one. My position on this argument is this, i would much rather put the game in the hands of people who actually know how this game works than people who don't know anything about it.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Truthfully I forgot about it already . Not sure it's a big enough deal for multiple threads .
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    WhIle I agree with you, I dont see why this warranted a new thread. Could you just have commented on the rant thread someone else started?

    But how else would they soak up those sweet sweet internet likes and awesomes.
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    dsalter wrote: »
    wish that actually skillful players were invited and not the cheesing streamers who see animation cancelling, exploiting and overall min-maxing as primary combat focus :/

    Dude they don't exploit, it's so easy to tell if they do exploit. I still can't people still think animation canceling is exploiting.
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    To put animation cancelling in the same vein as min maxing or exploiting is laughable. The best players... the most skillful are to a great extent skilled because they animation cancel well. You can not be competitive in pve or pvp in ESO without solid animation cancelling. It can be learned by anyone it just can't be done well by anyone. It takes practice... a lot of practice.
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  • Uriel_Nocturne
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    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.
    Oh, and by the way, aren't you arrogant yourself to make statements like games would be better if we had no people like that, *** off with that mentality, you judge people but never judged yourself.
    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.
    You aren't making your case any better. Those aren't exactly ringing endorsements... lmao

    But you keep puckering your butthole in defense of those screaming sycophants. I'll just keep playing the game, and hope ZOS doesn't screw it up to badly while making changes based off of niche demands from even smaller niche Twitch (not-so-famous-at-all) streamers.

    I don't know about each streamer, if i find one that is being a complete idiot that i will judge him as such, but all the streamer i know are good players, and i would much rather put the game in they're hands compared to yours.
    So let me read you clearly: Without knowing or reading any ideas I might have, you've already judged my opinion on ESO as absolute dog *** compared to those arrogant streamers, who by and large, want the game micromanaged and changed to benefit the smallest niche demographic of people playing the game?

    Because that's exactly what you're saying.

    The amount of incoherent fallacy you're spewing right now is awe inspiring in all the worst ways.

    Not all your opinions, just this one. My position on this argument is this, i would much rather put the game in the hands of people who actually know how this game works than people who don't know anything about it.
    Yet another flaw in your argument comes in the form of this "pro tip": I've been playing this game as long as anyone of those streaming man-babies has been playing it.

    The difference between me and a streamer? I chose not to *** myself out to internet "likes". Just because they put themselves on the internet, and seem to think their opinions are equivalent to the words of a god, does not mean that their opinions are any better than mine.

    You're falling victim to the lie that Twitch propagates. Just because they step in front of a camera, does not automatically make them "better" than other gamers.
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    dsalter wrote: »
    wish that actually skillful players were invited and not the cheesing streamers who see animation cancelling, exploiting and overall min-maxing as primary combat focus :/

    LOL.
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  • JinMori
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    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.
    Oh, and by the way, aren't you arrogant yourself to make statements like games would be better if we had no people like that, *** off with that mentality, you judge people but never judged yourself.
    JinMori wrote: »
    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    There's literally THOUSANDS of players who've been around since the Beta, why should some arrogant Streamers get to have more of a voice than the rest of us? I've watched some of those narcissistic *** videos, and they cater exclusively to the smallest of niche players in this game. Not to mention; it's been proven that Streamers add ZERO revenue to the games they cover. Most every person that watches them live-stream their arrogance, already owns the game that the streamer is playing, so they aren't actually convincing anyone to go out and purchase a game to help the associated developer/publisher, because the viewer ALREADY owns that very game.

    Their opinions are highly polarized towards "fixing" the game to cater to the smallest minority of players in the game, and they definitely DO NOT speak for the majority of the player-base.

    So why the hell shouldn't I be upset that they're getting more access to ZOS than the MAJORITY of the players, and that their severely bent opinions are convincing ZOS to change the game to their desires at the expense of the rest of us?

    Twitch and "professional" streamers are a cancer on every game they focus on, and especially with MMO's.

    Fact: Twitch and those arrogant ass-hat streamers could disappear like a fart in the wind tomorrow, and none of the games they cover would notice a bit of difference in their profit margins. Everything would go on, untouched, and the games would be better for it without their whining, incoherent screaming polluting the internet and poisoning the development path of the games they cover.

    You know why they value the words of those players much more than yours? It's because they have a name, they are famous, of course they are gonna teke they're words much more seriously, you have an enormous amount of evidence that points that they are good players, what do you have? Nothing, nothing at all. Make a name for yourself in the game or very little will happen.

    Do you honestly think the guys that were invited are actually famous?


    Well they are much more famous than you, in this game.
    You aren't making your case any better. Those aren't exactly ringing endorsements... lmao

    But you keep puckering your butthole in defense of those screaming sycophants. I'll just keep playing the game, and hope ZOS doesn't screw it up to badly while making changes based off of niche demands from even smaller niche Twitch (not-so-famous-at-all) streamers.

    I don't know about each streamer, if i find one that is being a complete idiot that i will judge him as such, but all the streamer i know are good players, and i would much rather put the game in they're hands compared to yours.
    So let me read you clearly: Without knowing or reading any ideas I might have, you've already judged my opinion on ESO as absolute dog *** compared to those arrogant streamers, who by and large, want the game micromanaged and changed to benefit the smallest niche demographic of people playing the game?

    Because that's exactly what you're saying.

    The amount of incoherent fallacy you're spewing right now is awe inspiring in all the worst ways.

    Not all your opinions, just this one. My position on this argument is this, i would much rather put the game in the hands of people who actually know how this game works than people who don't know anything about it.
    Yet another flaw in your argument comes in the form of this "pro tip": I've been playing this game as long as anyone of those streaming man-babies has been playing it.

    The difference between me and a streamer? I chose not to *** myself out to internet "likes". Just because they put themselves on the internet, and seem to think their opinions are equivalent to the words of a god, does not mean that their opinions are any better than mine.

    You're falling victim to the lie that Twitch propagates. Just because they step in front of a camera, does not automatically make them "better" than other gamers.

    But the fact remains, who do you think they were gonna call? Some random dudes from the game who are extremely good players, or the guy with 50 k followers who played for a long time and is equally as good as the other guy? Judge for yourself?
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    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...


    uh huh..
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    I myself can do up to 50 k dps in trials, but i never expected them to call me, because i don't have a name in this game, i'm just a good player, nothing else, just like many other dudes.
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    One last thing, why did you make this statement?

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    It's completely irrelevant in this discussion, admit it, you made this statement just to show off, turn your ego down a notch dude, you are not a special person, i am not a special person no one is, there are millions of veterans like you.
  • Riga_Mortis
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    JinMori wrote: »
    One last thing, why did you make this statement?

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    It's completely irrelevant in this discussion, admit it, you made this statement just to show off, turn your ego down a notch dude, you are not a special person, i am not a special person no one is, there are millions of veterans like you.


    Yet you posted about your 50k trial dps, which you must be showing off about according to your logic.

    And your wrong I think you are a very very special person, back of the bus special infact.

    Edited by Riga_Mortis on February 8, 2017 7:02PM
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  • JinMori
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    Riga_Mortis wrote: »
    JinMori wrote: »
    One last thing, why did you make this statement?

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    It's completely irrelevant in this discussion, admit it, you made this statement just to show off, turn your ego down a notch dude, you are not a special person, i am not a special person no one is, there are millions of veterans like you.


    Yet you posted about your 50k trial dps, which you must be showing off about according to your logic.

    And your wrong I think you are a very very special person, back of the bus special infact.

    You got me, i admit defeat, i will think about what iv'e done, and hopefully become a better person, thank you for showing my hypocrisy.
  • Uriel_Nocturne
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    grannas211 wrote: »
    Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    Why is everyone so focused on the players who have been invited to playtest at Zos headquarters being streamers/youtubers, but completely dismiss the fact that those are players who have been around since beta?
    You might argue that some are PVP bias and might push Zos to balance the game towards that more and you are right. But remember, Battleground is coming, a more competitive gameplay than what we currently have.Those are the people who have stuck around through the good and the (sometimes really) bad. And others like Deltia have played through all aspects of the game. Those guys have created contents to help both newcomers and veterans alike and have given feedback when they were being ignored. Now that Zos is listening and asking them for feedback you have a problem?
    I hear you, OP.

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...


    uh huh..
    My DD214 serves as all the proof I'll ever need. You trying to be clever on the interwebz is adorable though.
    JinMori wrote: »
    One last thing, why did you make this statement?

    I'm a verteran who served 20 years in the Marine Corps, eight of those on Force Recon. Those were some of the greatest years of my life, and...

    Oh, wait... I thought we were talking about REAL veterans...

    It's completely irrelevant in this discussion, admit it, you made this statement just to show off, turn your ego down a notch dude, you are not a special person, i am not a special person no one is, there are millions of veterans like you.
    Because you put in the thread title, as if they're somehow the survivor of a digital war that no one else knew anything about... Your flippant use of the word veteran only makes you look more petulant in your defense of streamers who couldn't give two *** about you or your defense of them.

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    @Uriel_Nocturne

    First of all, he did not make the thread, I did. Second:
    vet·er·an
    ˈvedərən,ˈvetrən/
    noun
    a person who has had long experience in a particular field.

    You seem quite old in the way you respond, but also disrespectful to others. You can make your point without trying (and failing) to insult.
    Edited by Dark_Aether on February 8, 2017 8:40PM
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    WhIle I agree with you, I dont see why this warranted a new thread. Could you just have commented on the rant thread someone else started?

    Not saying you do this, but have you ever noticed people who complain about repetitive threads are also the same peeps that complain about necroing threads? Baffles the mind.
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    Supersnake_Lx wrote: »
    @Uriel_Nocturne

    First of all, he did not make the thread, I did. Second:
    vet·er·an
    ˈvedərən,ˈvetrən/
    noun
    a person who has had long experience in a particular field.
    Then by that logic, there's still nothing special that separates the streamers from anyone else who has been playing this game from Beta, or video games for any lengthy period of time at all. That still makes us all veterans, and makes their opinions STILL no better than anyone else.

    So your own snippy reply defeats the very premise of your thread, and supports my counter argument that ZOS is very much taking the wrong path by relying so heavily on these arrogant, niche, streamers while ignoring the majority of their player base.

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  • Minalan
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    They aren't just experienced players, the streamers are people who make their money by posting videos of themselves killing large numbers of players either solo or with a very small group.

    Obviously they are going to promote mechanics and playstyle that will allow this to continue, and diminish the effects of superior numbers and firepower.

    This is like the bleating sheep begging the wolves to 'Please help theorycraft and balance the game for everyone'.
  • ComboBreaker88
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    Yeah... I've been here since beta.. I run a guild. And help run others. I network with other GMs to help create a more social environment for our members. Oh and I have 27 eso accounts. Over 200 characters. And have an alt in most every established guild in the Xbox one NA server. Where is my invite? Streamers are mostly clowns who twist public opinions but don't really contribute to the game. Sure there are a few exceptions but they are FEW.
  • Sypher
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    Just chiming in to say ZOS invited a lot more than just streamers and people are making some pretty wild assumptions. All platforms, playstyles, and types of players are being heavily represented.

    I'm pretty sure most of the peeps are not even streamers :*

    Source: look at forum name
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  • MakoFore
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    these guys are ideal for many reasons. they have influence, theyre experienced and competent players- all of them have played all the builds, have all been emperors and maelstrom champions, have completed all the content, but most of all- they have a touch into the player base- they hear every day what we want and dont want. thats vital. they ve contributed more to the game than most also- they do what they do out of love of the game. I'm stoked they've been invited- and happy for these guys to represent me. i wish the Add on community were invited also- they too deserve some respect and consideration. but also its a shrewd move by Zos to involve these guys so theyre invested int he game directly- so they ll be more positive when the patches release, etc- because in part- they've helped determine them. i see this as a win win for both sides actually.
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    seriously - of all the BROKEN things that are wrong with this game at the moment, from the housing to the furniture, performance issues, connection issues, AP exploits out in cyrodil- this is probably at the bottom of the list in terms of ESO issues
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