Is 24 hour cooldown on character delete really necessary.

Tapio75

Hello..

This is what i always think, when im cleaning and rerolling some characters.

Then wait 3 full days or more if you use more deletes when they come free. It can take more than a week to get new rerolls right because some flaws in character creation, make creating a character the right way hard, and you might need multiple deletes on one character to make it as you wish.

I dont think it will bring any more bots if the cooldown is reduced to 12 hours.

SydneyGrey

What are "bots"?

Turelus

Do you really need to delete characters more than three times to get things right?

NewBlacksmurf

You're behaviors are why it's necessary

Cadbury

Turelus wrote: »

Do you really need to delete characters more than three times to get things right?

Aesthetics, maybe? Maybe they got their "look" wrong? Idk just playing Devil's Advocate here.

At least it's not like some other MMOs where you lose the name if you decide to delete and reroll.

Koensol

After they implemented this, the bot problem MASSIVELY decreased.

Tapio75

@SydneyGrey

Bots are automated player characters that gold sellers often use.

@Turelus

Sometimes yes, im very picky on how my characters look. This does not mean "Perfect" as it is, but something i am seeking and due some flaws like lightning and pose in character creation, the real results is seen only when playing when you can use crouch, personalities, costumes, intended gear and so on.

@NewBlacksmurf

Are you accusing me being bot in game? If not, your statement is invalid and irrelevant.




Anyway, even without me or others having issues, 24 hours and 3 days to get all deletes back is bit of exaggeration, ESO is only game i know that has gone this far, i dont know any other game that prevents players from deleting characters.

lolo_01b16_ESO

If you need more than 3 tries to make your char look good, you can always go to pts, start creating a char there, take a sceenshot of all the sliders and then, if you like the char, just create one on live with the same settings.

NewBlacksmurf

Tapio75 wrote: »

@SydneyGrey

Bots are automated player characters that gold sellers often use.

@Turelus

Sometimes yes, im very picky on how my characters look. This does not mean "Perfect" as it is, but something i am seeking and due some flaws like lightning and pose in character creation, the real results is seen only when playing when you can use crouch, personalities, costumes, intended gear and so on.

@NewBlacksmurf

Are you accusing me being bot in game? If not, your statement is invalid and irrelevant.




Anyway, even without me or others having issues, 24 hours and 3 days to get all deletes back is bit of exaggeration, ESO is only game i know that has gone this far, i dont know any other game that prevents players from deleting characters.

Your actions are exactly what ZOS is intentionally trying to prevent. That why the delete situation is necessary.
I never said anything else so please don't assume I'm accusing you of anything other than habitual character deleting.

redspecter23

Another reason for the delete limit is to keep player dailies in check. Right now you are typically limited to 12 toons worth of dailies then have a bottleneck of a 24 hour timer (or a wait until a specific time of the day) for them to reset. Without a delete limit and the resulting character creation limit, you could just delete and reroll and replay any daily that isn't gated behind any sort of grind. While this is not necessarily broken, it's best that there is a check in place to keep insane min/maxers from repeating a specific daily hundreds of times a day or more. I'm thinking of the baby Maw runs from a few months back as a prime example, but I'm sure there are more that could be much more disruptive to the game or economy.

Karraxx

IIRC, the 24hr limit on character deletion was brought in as part of account protection incase you get hacked

Dracindo

Seriously, if you know you can't change your character's appearance later on, then you take enough time to customize your character right at the first try?

Tapio75

@lolo_01b16_ESO
I dont have PTS installed, i uninstalled the thing when ESO launcher year back complained that i dont have enough room to update. Turned out i did have room on that drive but launcher wanted room from system disk >.<

At others

I did not know that people exploited dailies by deleting and recreating characters. That just sounds insane but i guess my character deletion and creating over and over until i get desired looks is also insane from some perspectives..

However, ZOS did not implement the deletion limit to prevent people cleaning their character sclect from alts that were not needed nor implemented it to prevent people from deleting failed character creations.

Soon after launch, the gane was infested with bots farming Delve bosses, certain areas of game to get stuff to sell for gold and therefore, to get gold to sell illegally to the players. The deletion limit was implemented so that banned player characters could not be recreated over and over again at one account. The bots vanished almost immediately when deletion limit was installed.

I dont know if it is place to protect account, i have not read so anywhere but it sounds reasonable to assume this is also correct.

Dracindo wrote: »

Seriously, if you know you can't change your character's appearance later on, then you take enough time to customize your character right at the first try?

Seriously, characters do not look the same in creation and while playing. Also if i want to use certain personality on character, the personalitys pose can change how the character looks, what looked good without the personality, might not look good with the peronality enabled. Some costumes also make the character look bit different but not very much, still sometimes enough to make it bad.

How much time i use is no factor here, i can spent an hour to create a character and stikll it can look bad while playing because the colors and pose being different in creation.

All i ask is that you folks be considerate to problems that seem minor to you.

Khumbu

I am a habitual deleter/reroller too, mostly because some race models are really hard to get a decent face with *glares at Argonian females*. Also, I agree about character creation lighting looking nothing like ingame.

However, this is a small price to pay for not having to deal with rampant botting like we had at launch. If I hit the limit I just keep the closest "experiment" alive to remind myself of how I wanted the alt to look, then just remake it later.

Bigevilpeter

Well I played WoW and SWTOR they didn't have that restriction and they seem to be doing pretty fine

starkerealm

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're behaviors are why it's necessary

"You are behaviors..." ?

JesterH

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Well I played WoW and SWTOR they didn't have that restriction and they seem to be doing pretty fine

By fine you mean infested with goldselling bots? Yeah then i agree

Khumbu

WoW still deals with bots and this is even with FAR more advanced ways to stop them like the BNet Authenticator (which I'm guessing may be out of ZOS's price range? I do wish we had one though). Remember the Orc corpses in town square spelling out some gold spelling site on the ground? these days the new hotness with bots is them being able to "fly" to nodes in flight restricted areas by manipulating their z axis around. In other words, they still have a pretty big issue.

Can't comment on SWTOR as I've never played it.

Dr_Rektar

If you could delete and create chars without cooldown, than you could farm ledger nonstop abd earn ezmoney

ADarklore

ZOS sells 'appearance' tokens for a reason. I know I have used PTS in the past to get a character just right, especially the voice. However, what I also do is make screenshots of all the settings and save them, since I like most of my characters to have the same appearance, voice, etc... if I create a new character or do a race change, I have all the settings in screenshots.

NewBlacksmurf

starkerealm wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're behaviors are why it's necessary

"You are behaviors..." ?

@starkerealm
lol freaking iPhone

Tapio75

@ADarklore
I have used couple of these tokens, problem wwith these is pricing, it costs too much for minor tweaks while it is right for major changes.

The token pricing should be direct result from how much you change, if you simply change hair color, maybe 15 crowns, hair and skin color 20 and the prie goes all the way to current if you change everything.


Or that the token is open for recreation for 24 hours on the character you used it on so you can have time to tweak and play around to get the desired result.
Something like pricing of Appearance change is in SWTOR. Then it would be reasonable.

Katahdin

There was a huge problem with people farming something (forget the details) before the limit. They would make a character, do the thing/quest, delete and repeat. It was very lucrative.

EvilCroc

If you want to remake your character appearance, you should buy Change appearance tokens in Crown Store, not delete and create new character. Don't try to ruin good business model with your silly requests.

Tapio75

EvilCroc wrote: »

If you want to remake your character appearance, you should buy Change appearance tokens in Crown Store, not delete and create new character. Don't try to ruin good business model with your silly requests.

That token is too expensive for minor tweaks, that has nothing to do with good business model, just bad design.

Besides that is valid for only one time change and the same problems that make creating character hard in the original creation, also exist in the remake screen. If you mess it up, it costs another 14€ to try again and if you oly have to change skin or hair color, 14€i outright stupid.

theher0not

Dracindo wrote: »

Seriously, if you know you can't change your character's appearance later on, then you take enough time to customize your character right at the first try?

The problem is that the lighting in the char creator sucks. It looks completley different from most of the game

Elsonso

Tapio75 wrote: »

Hello..

This is what i always think, when im cleaning and rerolling some characters.

Then wait 3 full days or more if you use more deletes when they come free. It can take more than a week to get new rerolls right because some flaws in character creation, make creating a character the right way hard, and you might need multiple deletes on one character to make it as you wish.

I dont think it will bring any more bots if the cooldown is reduced to 12 hours.

This issue is not the number of deletes that you are allowed.

The issue is why your characters are not adequate after leaving Character Generation such that you have to delete them and start over. Even with unlimited deletes, you should not be having to do that.

So, you mentioned a couple of things that confuse me. Costumes are going to be a problem, since they use different base models for costumes, but what is it that you have seen that changes the way a character looks in costumes? Maybe ZOS needs to change the clothing samples to include a costume? The question is which costume(s) to show.

ItsGlaive

Tapio75 wrote: »

Hello..

This is what i always think, when im cleaning and rerolling some characters.

Then wait 3 full days or more if you use more deletes when they come free. It can take more than a week to get new rerolls right because some flaws in character creation, make creating a character the right way hard, and you might need multiple deletes on one character to make it as you wish.

I dont think it will bring any more bots if the cooldown is reduced to 12 hours.

Goldsellers were quite an issue before it was implemented. They aren't anymore.

I agree the cooldown can be a bit of a ball ache, but it's definitely done its job in terms of making it harder for goldsellers and botters.

Cadbury

theher0not wrote: »

Dracindo wrote: »

Seriously, if you know you can't change your character's appearance later on, then you take enough time to customize your character right at the first try?

The problem is that the lighting in the char creator sucks. It looks completley different from most of the game

FFXIV has a great feature in their character creator that changes the lighting from indoors to outdoors. I thought it was a nice touch.

darbiirue

The delete thing has certainly been a contentious area for me the last few times that I played. However, I understand their reasoning behind it.

My main problems are two things:

1) Give us better lighting, or multiple lighting options. I made a perfectly good Khajiit in a dark gray color, got into the game and she was suddenly pitch black and you couldn't see any of her features. It was awful. The creation screen is just very dark. It would be nice if like in BDO, there were multiple lighting sources.

2) The ability to save a characters look without screenshots of sliders. I, like the OP, reroll until I find a character that I'm really happy with. I rerolled my current Nord twice. Rerolled my Khajiit twice. I love the way both look now, but it'd certainly be nice to save their appearance, because personally, I'm rerolling when the Expac drops, for Warden as a Nord and I'd love to keep my same look.

Just my two bits relating to the issue of the Character Creation.

I do think that it would be wonderful if they could bring it down from 24 hours to 12. I think that's a reasonable amount of time. 24 hours is very long to only earn ONE delete back.

theher0not

AliceKaye wrote: »

The delete thing has certainly been a contentious area for me the last few times that I played. However, I understand their reasoning behind it.

My main problems are two things:

1) Give us better lighting, or multiple lighting options. I made a perfectly good Khajiit in a dark gray color, got into the game and she was suddenly pitch black and you couldn't see any of her features. It was awful. The creation screen is just very dark. It would be nice if like in BDO, there were multiple lighting sources.

2) The ability to save a characters look without screenshots of sliders. I, like the OP, reroll until I find a character that I'm really happy with. I rerolled my current Nord twice. Rerolled my Khajiit twice. I love the way both look now, but it'd certainly be nice to save their appearance, because personally, I'm rerolling when the Expac drops, for Warden as a Nord and I'd love to keep my same look.

Just my two bits relating to the issue of the Character Creation.

I do think that it would be wonderful if they could bring it down from 24 hours to 12. I think that's a reasonable amount of time. 24 hours is very long to only earn ONE delete back.

Same. I rerolled my temp 5 times because some small mistakes that onl showed up after I left coldharbour before giving up and deciding not to level one. All because of that stupid char delete limit, they should at least allow us to delete characters below level 4 or 5 without it counting.