SPC + HH + EG?

Muddy_Chaves

Spell power cure, healers habit, engine guardian.
Good set combo or use something else?

xblackroxe

Just no.

You must be deltia.

BIS will still be spc+ infa+ mag monster 1pc

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

No idea why healers like using EG, you don't need stamina or health and the 1 pc doesn't benefit you either.

Have 2 5 pieces.
Spell power cure always and 1 other i.e. Infallible aether, worm cult etc.

SPC + IA is very good combo.

Draqone

Why Engine? It's an old tank set.

You could use:

Troll King Set

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(1 items) Adds 2% Healing Done

(2 items) When you heal a friendly target, if they are still below 60% Health, their Health Recovery is increased by 1548 for 10 seconds.

Also, if you have quite a few CPs you probably won't need the extra healing power too often since you'll be overhealing more often than not. It's better to look for supportive sets that debuff the enemy (Infallible Aether) or give you some damage.

kylewwefan

SPC is a must have for any healer so you're on the right path. Habit set is not terrible, but you could give more utility to your group with Worm or Aether. Hard to fit in a monster set for a healer.....I would probably use Maw the infernal before Engine Guardian.

Nocturnalan

Kena 1 pc for the extra spell damage and weapon damage.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

SPC + Infallible Aether

If you don't have Aether nor want to grind for it.

SPC + Worm Cult

I don't even recommend using a Monster set as it's easier to just run the 2 5 piece sets and a master/maelstrom resto staff.

Oompuh

SPC Aether or SPC Worm with a 1 piece monster set or master staves.

Never Engine Guardian... never.

Inig0

xblackroxe wrote: »

Just no.

You must be deltia.

BIS will still be spc+ infa+ mag monster 1pc

I think infalls reign will becoming to one that is more situational. For instance, a sorc can keep about 50% vul uptime alone. Throw 4 sorcs into group with healers running lightning wall for off-balance -- infall becomes redundant! The only instance you absolutely need infal is in vaa on lightning atro and stone breaker where they are immune to concussed (still testing other bosses but it seems those are the only ones.)

Also, keeping the OP's build question in mind a lot of people on na have been running:
5 SPC (Front bar)
5 Infall (Back bar)
2 Monster (Bloodspawn, warden, troll king etc.)
(First person i saw doing this was Nifty2g a while back when SPC staffs came out.)

With the change to concussed and how sorcs can keep it up so well i think everyone will be going back to this:
5 SPC
2 Monster of Choice
3 Willpower
1 Masters Resto
1 Masters Lightning

the 'other healer' build is usually
5 SPC (both bars)
5 Worm (both bars)
1 monster anything
1 Masters Resto (front bar)
1 Masters Lighting (back bar)

Using SPC resto staff with Infall lightning youre able to re-apply infall on your back bar with other buffs/debuffs or skills you dont need to spam but keep up every 8-10 seconds or so.

With all that being said we'll see in due time what becomes unanimously BiS.

IronCrystal

You need to specify PvE or PvP, and even within PvE is it Trials or 4 man Dungeons.

amasuriel

Unfortunately they completed broke infallible aether, so it's now BiS for nobody.

Lightning now gives minor vulnerability instead of minor maim, so the debuff doesn't require the set anymore.

"The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim."

The also "fixed" it so the heavy attack buff doesn't apply to every tick of resto staff or lightning staff heavies any more.

"Fixed an issue where some item set procs that were meant to fire off of fully-charged Heavy Attacks (such as Sunderflame or Wise Mage) were firing on every tick of a Lightning or Restoration Staff Heavy Attack."

It's now only useful if you want a 3 piece for Minor Slayer and don't have Moondancer.

RIP IA.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

amasuriel wrote: »

Unfortunately they completed broke infallible aether, so it's now BiS for nobody.

Lightning now gives minor vulnerability instead of minor maim, so the debuff doesn't require the set anymore.

"The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim."

The also "fixed" it so the heavy attack buff doesn't apply to every tick of resto staff or lightning staff heavies any more.

"Fixed an issue where some item set procs that were meant to fire off of fully-charged Heavy Attacks (such as Sunderflame or Wise Mage) were firing on every tick of a Lightning or Restoration Staff Heavy Attack."

It's now only useful if you want a 3 piece for Minor Slayer and don't have Moondancer.

RIP IA.

What do you see becoming BiS to pair up with SPC?

Oompuh

Anyone have data or videos on Concussion uptime for Minor Vulnerability? I've seen 101 people saying IA is gonna be useless but haven't seen anyone prove it

IronCrystal

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

Unfortunately they completed broke infallible aether, so it's now BiS for nobody.

Lightning now gives minor vulnerability instead of minor maim, so the debuff doesn't require the set anymore.

"The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim."

The also "fixed" it so the heavy attack buff doesn't apply to every tick of resto staff or lightning staff heavies any more.

"Fixed an issue where some item set procs that were meant to fire off of fully-charged Heavy Attacks (such as Sunderflame or Wise Mage) were firing on every tick of a Lightning or Restoration Staff Heavy Attack."

It's now only useful if you want a 3 piece for Minor Slayer and don't have Moondancer.

RIP IA.

What do you see becoming BiS to pair up with SPC?

Worms and Healing Mage (mending).

amasuriel

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

What do you see becoming BiS to pair up with SPC?

One healer will still be running Worm Cult as normal.

Second set I don't know. May be that less used but still decent sets like Gossamer or Combat Physician will actually see some use now. I could also see a case being made for a 3 jewelry + 2 armor piece Akaviri Dragongaurd / SPC build to help with horn rotations, but just idle speculation at this point.

I could also see trying having the second healer wear Ebon (again 3 jewelry 2 armor, or 1 armor 1 staff) so that the tanks can be in Tava / Alkosh and Tava / Akaviri or something similar, but I doubt anyone will try anything so far outside meta.

The monster helms for a healer (IMO obviously, but I don't think it's very contentious) are pretty lackluster, so I think 2 5 PC will still be better for healers no matter what the second set is.

**EDIT** I cannot believe I forgot about twilight remedy. Almost certainly twilight remedy will be BiS, with Worm being the alternative

amasuriel

IronCrystal wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

Unfortunately they completed broke infallible aether, so it's now BiS for nobody.

Lightning now gives minor vulnerability instead of minor maim, so the debuff doesn't require the set anymore.

"The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim."

The also "fixed" it so the heavy attack buff doesn't apply to every tick of resto staff or lightning staff heavies any more.

"Fixed an issue where some item set procs that were meant to fire off of fully-charged Heavy Attacks (such as Sunderflame or Wise Mage) were firing on every tick of a Lightning or Restoration Staff Heavy Attack."

It's now only useful if you want a 3 piece for Minor Slayer and don't have Moondancer.

RIP IA.

What do you see becoming BiS to pair up with SPC?

Worms and Healing Mage (mending).

The healing mage 5 piece isn't as useful as it sounds, since even many of the attacks that look like melee are actually magicka. Pretty much Hel Ra is the only place it's really useful at the moment as far as I am aware.

Muddy_Chaves

xblackroxe wrote: »

Just no.

You must be deltia.

BIS will still be spc+ infa+ mag monster 1pc

What's a deltia?

Dr_Rektar

What about twilight remedy?usless piece of silk?

NoFlash

Following.

ChaosWotan

Where is the source for IA being RIP now. Hope not, because have grinded a lot to get it...

IronCrystal

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Where is the source for IA being RIP now. Hope not, because have grinded a lot to get it...

So, in the last patch, applying a heavy attack to an enemy gave the enemy minor vulnerability. It was found that if you used lightning or resto staff, it would apply the debuff on the first tick of the attack. This patch they have fixed it so you have to use a fully charged heavy attack. It would take too much time for a healer to do a full heavy attack and would have relatively low uptime.

IronCrystal

amasuriel wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

Unfortunately they completed broke infallible aether, so it's now BiS for nobody.

Lightning now gives minor vulnerability instead of minor maim, so the debuff doesn't require the set anymore.

"The elemental status effect Concussed now applies Minor Vulnerability to enemies instead of Minor Maim."

The also "fixed" it so the heavy attack buff doesn't apply to every tick of resto staff or lightning staff heavies any more.

"Fixed an issue where some item set procs that were meant to fire off of fully-charged Heavy Attacks (such as Sunderflame or Wise Mage) were firing on every tick of a Lightning or Restoration Staff Heavy Attack."

It's now only useful if you want a 3 piece for Minor Slayer and don't have Moondancer.

RIP IA.

What do you see becoming BiS to pair up with SPC?

Worms and Healing Mage (mending).

The healing mage 5 piece isn't as useful as it sounds, since even many of the attacks that look like melee are actually magicka. Pretty much Hel Ra is the only place it's really useful at the moment as far as I am aware.

Monsters have only a single power stat, so reducing weapon or spell power on a monster reducing damage of all types.