Is 2h Stam DK still a thing?

Nellzer

Coming back to the game from a hiatus and last I played, 2h/bow Stam DK was a beast in PvP for 1vX. After looking at the meta, it seems non-existent nowadays, the only stam DK builds I see being 1h/shield (booooring).

Is this the current state or am I missing something?

Koolio

When they changed wrecking blow animation they really hurt this setup. It's still viable just a lot more difficult.

Chilla_Deluxe

Its still viable but you need good gear setups, but dont expect to be able to kill S/B decent players. Its more of an open world build.

RazorCaltrops

Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »

Its still viable but you need good gear setups, but dont expect to be able to kill S/B decent players. Its more of an open world build.

Pretty much sums up. You can still hit hard against that kind of opponents if you time your burst correct though. Gear wise Fury+wrath passive synergize well with DK's survivability in an open world scenario. If you don't want proc cheese try slimecraw as monster set. It's a very underestimated one.

Nellzer

Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »

Its still viable but you need good gear setups, but dont expect to be able to kill S/B decent players. Its more of an open world build.

Yeah not really concerned with 1v1 as I can just switch to a S/B dueling build. More curious why I don't see any 2h/bow, 2h/S/B 1vX builds out there, seems everyone is on the NB/sorc stam train.

Chilla_Deluxe

jrhauck7ub17_ESO wrote: »

Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »

Its still viable but you need good gear setups, but dont expect to be able to kill S/B decent players. Its more of an open world build.

Yeah not really concerned with 1v1 as I can just switch to a S/B dueling build. More curious why I don't see any 2h/bow, 2h/S/B 1vX builds out there, seems everyone is on the NB/sorc stam train.

No I meant, (and this happens alot) if you come across a decent templar or a stam sorc/stam dk using S/B you have 2 pass them up since even if you manage to kill them it will take along time (let alone 1vx them) and by that time reinforcements would arrive, where as other meta classes can usually kill any class without struggling as much. What do you have as a stam dk for main dps? Uppercut/breath/claw small dots. Decent players arent gonna get killed too a uppercut spammer, you'd literally have to time your burst with your ultimate and if that wont bring them to execute range, you arent gonna kill that guy.

Literally S/B stam dks are more viable but soo boring. I still play my stam dk occasionally with 2h/bow but its gets annoying not being able to kill most players (at least on Ps4 EU where half the population are templars and S/B.)

Stamina sorcerers have hurricane(decent dot/prevents stealth), they by default/passives hit alot harder even while only using uppercut.
Can sprint across the map/line of site easier and have a good sustain method a bit better then stam dks.

Nightblades are self explanatory, I'll hide in stealth and once the enemy is off guard I'll jump him with my super high crit damage and executes.

Nellzer

Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »

jrhauck7ub17_ESO wrote: »

Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »

Its still viable but you need good gear setups, but dont expect to be able to kill S/B decent players. Its more of an open world build.

Yeah not really concerned with 1v1 as I can just switch to a S/B dueling build. More curious why I don't see any 2h/bow, 2h/S/B 1vX builds out there, seems everyone is on the NB/sorc stam train.

No I meant, (and this happens alot) if you come across a decent templar or a stam sorc/stam dk using S/B you have 2 pass them up since even if you manage to kill them it will take along time (let alone 1vx them) and by that time reinforcements would arrive, where as other meta classes can usually kill any class without struggling as much. What do you have as a stam dk for main dps? Uppercut/breath/claw small dots. Decent players arent gonna get killed too a uppercut spammer, you'd literally have to time your burst with your ultimate and if that wont bring them to execute range, you arent gonna kill that guy.

Literally S/B stam dks are more viable but soo boring. I still play my stam dk occasionally with 2h/bow but its gets annoying not being able to kill most players (at least on Ps4 EU where half the population are templars and S/B.)

Stamina sorcerers have hurricane(decent dot/prevents stealth), they by default/passives hit alot harder even while only using uppercut.
Can sprint across the map/line of site easier and have a good sustain method a bit better then stam dks.

Nightblades are self explanatory, I'll hide in stealth and once the enemy is off guard I'll jump him with my super high crit damage and executes.

Yeah, I'll probably end up going 2h/S/B to be more competitive in those instances... Hopefully the next patch brings back a spammable dps skill for DKs.

Durham

I think the DK is an easier playstyle but also a little underwhelming atm... out of the 3 other classes it no longer shines... Stam Sorcs and with the recent changes Stam Temps are a stronger choice...

*Currently 2nd best Stam tank Stam Sorc #1 but still close.... If you are new or you are not very skilled then DK is still the best choice...
*Currently last in pvp DPS
*Currently last in mobility

Due to the recent heavy armor and set nerfs on this patch which hit the DK disportionately hard ... this class is no longer a feared archetype unless it's played by a very good player

Nellzer

Durham wrote: »

I think the DK is an easier playstyle but also a little underwhelming atm... out of the 3 other classes it no longer shines... Stam Sorcs and with the recent changes Stam Temps are a stronger choice...

*Currently 2nd best Stam tank Stam Sorc #1 but still close.... If you are new or you are not very skilled then DK is still the best choice...
*Currently last in pvp DPS
*Currently last in mobility

Due to the recent heavy armor and set nerfs on this patch which hit the DK disportionately hard ... this class is no longer a feared archetype unless it's played by a very good player

Yeah I don't mind being on a weaker class as long as it has potential played to the highest level. Stam sorc is too fotm and for whatever reason not as much fun as DK to me. NB is too squishy, not a big fan of the gank and run for days until you can pull someone into a 1v1. No interest in temp either...

KisoValley

Watch NastyyC9 and you'll see probably the best bow/2h stamDK there is.

Zvorgin

Durham wrote: »

I think the DK is an easier playstyle but also a little underwhelming atm... out of the 3 other classes it no longer shines... Stam Sorcs and with the recent changes Stam Temps are a stronger choice...

*Currently 2nd best Stam tank Stam Sorc #1 but still close.... If you are new or you are not very skilled then DK is still the best choice...
*Currently last in pvp DPS
*Currently last in mobility

If a class is weak, I wouldn't say it's the best for new or unskilled players. DK is probably better for experienced players where Templar is probably the most forgiving in my opinion. Templar with extended ritual is just a lot more survivable plus repentance doesn't hurt at all. DK resource management isn't easy.

Durham

Zvorgin wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

I think the DK is an easier playstyle but also a little underwhelming atm... out of the 3 other classes it no longer shines... Stam Sorcs and with the recent changes Stam Temps are a stronger choice...

*Currently 2nd best Stam tank Stam Sorc #1 but still close.... If you are new or you are not very skilled then DK is still the best choice...
*Currently last in pvp DPS
*Currently last in mobility

If a class is weak, I wouldn't say it's the best for new or unskilled players. DK is probably better for experienced players where Templar is probably the most forgiving in my opinion. Templar with extended ritual is just a lot more survivable plus repentance doesn't hurt at all. DK resource management isn't easy.

Good point.... I agree but I was thinking about the sword and board with twohander.. buthe yea I agree the Stam temp is the most forgiving...

. it's much easier to tank with the DK .. easier to stay alive with limited skill set.. but to be truely effective at killing while being a tank.. it takes canceling animations and getting those heavy attacks in and propper ultimate usage... this is what I'm talking about...

My Stam Sorc has better tools and is stronger in the hands of a seasoned vet... But for a noob a DK is a easier playstyle.

My Stam Temps is also doing nice ... but roll dodging can be tough for new player very easy to overdo it...

Durham

Players are always the biggest factor not builds or classes.. I like this about this game...

ManDraKE

stam 2h/bow is still the best solo build, no matter the class.

Durham

KisoValley wrote: »

Watch NastyyC9 and you'll see probably the best bow/2h stamDK there is.

Yes but with that same skill set... they would do better with sorc and temp....

Nellzer

Durham wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Watch NastyyC9 and you'll see probably the best bow/2h stamDK there is.

Yes but with that same skill set... they would do better with sorc and temp....

Sure, that's not what this thread is concerning though. I'm an oldschool player and mained stam DK back in the day. After checking out the meta, I didn't see too much about stam DKs so was just curious if it was total garbage or just underplayed due to being outclassed. Good to hear it's the latter

kessik221

Problem with 2 handed is no reliable damage skill. Wrecking blow/dizzying swing is so easily avoidable. Ive found to help this problem try pairing it with a combo after a cc. Play in snb then when you are buffed and ready fossilize, heavy attack, wb+ 2h ult then execute. Fossilize can be replaced with any cc stun/immobilize combo ( reverb smash and choking talons). Fossilize just frees up a global cd.

Chilla_Deluxe

KisoValley wrote: »

Watch NastyyC9 and you'll see probably the best bow/2h stamDK there is.

While I agree with you. I watch his streams sometimes, he gets pummeled alot by and takes him a while to kill S/B as I mentioned earlier. Even with his skill its tough, so 2h/bow is still super weak on a stam DK compared to other class setups. Literally the only players you can kill easily with 2h/bow are bad players or low cp.

Izaki

Good luck with landing your Dizzying Swing...

Reefo

Koolio wrote: »

When they changed wrecking blow animation they really hurt this setup. It's still viable just a lot more difficult.

are you talking about how you could animation cancel wrecking blow with a heavy attack and then delay the wrecking blow hit so it and the heavy attack strikes together?

yeah thats balls, damn sorcs still cancelling hard cast frags with heavy attack still exists.