Class Change Token idea (Read before commenting.)

Skullstachio

Now I know what some of you are thinking "No, we do not need a token to change classes for existing characters."
Well yes & no, I have looked at other threads outlying this very topic & some people may object to this, sure it can be outlandish but that is because some people have not thought about the limitless possibilities that it may "bear."

Some may see it as a bad idea, with some thinking that new players have no idea what they are doing, but by thinking about such negativity, Think? Would that literally make us any better than they are, we were all new to Elder Scrolls once & you all know that very well. We all had to start from the ground up before we got to where we now stand.

back on topic: here's how I am going to file out my opinion to the class change token idea. (Remember to keep an open mind about this.)

Crown Price: like many purchasable tokens you see in the crown store, they are indeed pricey, but with good intention of course, for if it was not for us paying customers/fans/roleplayers, they would not have been able to create such beautiful marvels in ESOTU like they have been doing since its day of creation, what with places such as Grahtwood, Eastmarch, etc. but putting it like so, it is only fair that if they were to put Class change tokens into ESOTU, it would have to be between 4000-5000 crowns respectively.

Function: the class change token would only be usable on the character selection menu like the name & race change tokens, but since it would allow you to changes your class. more importantly, any skill points you put into class related skills would be refunded for use in the new class respectively, & figuratively speaking, since it focuses around Classes, I do not see any way of it intervening with the story of the game in any way. (For now at least.)

Possibilities list:

1. Strategy wise: By changing class, we see & try things from a new perspective, hence we slowly but gradually find our ideal playing style for our main character & become a whole lot better & more likely to be that class for extended to possibly indefinite times throughout the course of our inner timelines. not to mention the possibility of new never before seen set combinations that could baffle many or even help succeed in Normal/Vet trials, Group dungeons, etc.
2. Roleplay wise: Changing class could bring about brand-new backstories for peoples in-game characters & possibly bring about a newer perspective, not everyone focuses on end-game content like the professionals. (I may not know much, but I do know that it could bring about a greater community & bring people together more than ever.)

So just to conclude, I support the Idea of Class Change tokens, but at the same time, I know this will take a lot of effort to program/code/implement & it will have to be thought about in such a complex manner. what with people agreeing to disagree because of the lack of open-mindedness sometimes, but hey, you do not judge a book by its cover until it is read.

MythicEmperor

My main concern is that ZOS will intentionally nerf classes in order to push class change sales.

ExcaliburESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno make this happen pls !!! We want this!

Mojmir

Class change should be an option,lore is someone else's issue. I'd say to make it balanced you start with zero in skills and have to rework everything up.race change is automatic for comparison. It would need to be pricey (5-6k crowns) and a cooldown of at least a week.however,the game should save whatever progress you had on the character previously,so if you switched back the skills would be w/e they were before.

Banana

Do it. I find leveling another character painful and tedious. I'll happily pay

FearlessOne_2014

Banana wrote: »

Do it. I find leveling another character painful and tedious. I'll happily pay

I also wish class change was a thing more so then housing.

TheShadowScout

I generally dislike class change options.

But... I dislike adding classes as well, and that's happening... and having a class change option would soothe some of the sting of an added class, so...

Count me in agreement.

DannyLV702

Tldr but no way I disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

t3hdubzy

I just simply dont have the time to roll new charchters and still enjoy playing the game. I would totally use class change tokens. Until then I have 2 charachters and one gets all of my attention, the other does my writs.

Balibe

It is not as simple as just a class change in my eyes .....

If class changes were easy, they would of offered it already when they added the race change .....

There must be a reason they have not offered yet and probably will not be offering it .....

MaidenOregon

I would be down for this as well. I am hurting that I have to delete and re-level up a toon that has all inventory slots maxed that I have been using as a mule. We should only have to pay for the inventory upgrades once, IMHO.

I use ingame gold via the pack merchant for the first four or five inventory upgrades and then crowns for the rest on all of my (12) characters. Make this really expensive as a deterrent if you have to, just make it an option please!

Damianos

Would much rather faction change token or betrayal quest.

White wabbit

If they do this then undaunted should be zeroed along with alliance rank and skills

RapidUrsa

If it means profit for ZOS they will probably do it!

Skullstachio

With new comments come new answers.

the idea of faction change: Not gonna happen, never gonna happen (Unless they do what tony stark does in iron man 3 & invent some sort of "Clean Slate" protocol.)

White wabbit

What so people can quickly change to the current meta , nah thanks

Solariken

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

White wabbit

Solariken wrote: »

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

How does this make 1000x more sense ?

Eirikir

I am in favor of class changes even though I likely wouldnt use them. I play FFXIV which allows for class change with no noticeable problems as well as many mmos that are the same and again have no negative side effects.


That said I would hope its like swapping weapons for the first time and the 3 new trees all start at lv1. A few hours of skill leveling will familiarize the player with the new skills without brutalizing them through msq, pvp, crafts, riding skills, and guild levels all over again.

Seems fair.

Stopnaggin

Still don't like the idea. Don't know how it would add to a back story if you don't have to do the quests to get a back story. And seriously everyone switching to get meta builds is not my idea of opening up possibilities. What I do see happening is people buying the token, even if they like it at first, when changes come to balance they will be the first to scream it's not what they paid for. So what to do with them? Allow them to change back free? Pay another 5000 crowns, that'll fly like a lead balloon.

Personally I don't care if they add one, it won't have any effect on me. But if they do I can definitely see a *** storm on these forums about how ZOS broke more promises and hoelw they are gouging the players for every penny when the above happens.

Solariken

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

How does this make 1000x more sense ?

@White wabbit let me offer an analogy - would you agree that it was easier for Michael Jordan to go from Basketball player to Baseball player than it was for Michael Jackson to go from black guy to white guy? That's how I feel about race change versus class change.

Asardes

Well, It won't be terribly difficult to implement. It could even leave tour skill points in place, since the class skills are mapped the same way. For example if you picked skill 3 -> morph 1 it could stay the same. The passives could be also mapped 1->1. The pricing should be the same as race change, or slightly more expensive, but not by much. If they are smart they could also give it a discount in the first 1-2 months after the patch, because a lot of people would pay for it so there's really good money to be made.

White wabbit

Solariken wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

How does this make 1000x more sense ?

@White wabbit let me offer an analogy - would you agree that it was easier for Michael Jordan to go from Basketball player to Baseball player than it was for Michael Jackson to go from black guy to white guy? That's how I feel about race change versus class change.

Wasted analogy as I'm from England so those are sports that I have no idea about

Stopnaggin

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

How does this make 1000x more sense ?

@White wabbit let me offer an analogy - would you agree that it was easier for Michael Jordan to go from Basketball player to Baseball player than it was for Michael Jackson to go from black guy to white guy? That's how I feel about race change versus class change.

Wasted analogy as I'm from England so those are sports that I have no idea about

How about go from Soccer (football) to cricket?

Asardes

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

How does this make 1000x more sense ?

@White wabbit let me offer an analogy - would you agree that it was easier for Michael Jordan to go from Basketball player to Baseball player than it was for Michael Jackson to go from black guy to white guy? That's how I feel about race change versus class change.

Wasted analogy as I'm from England so those are sports that I have no idea about

That comparison is also distasteful, since Michael Jackson didn't become white by choice. He actually had a pigment loss disease called vitiligo.

timidobserver

2 class changes a year per account for some absurdly high crown cost sounds good to me.

FlyLionel

I knew what class I was going to play/main untiI ESO died: before it even released here on console. Not everyone will be decisive like myself and others, or even grind out all 8 variations of each class before it became this easy. A token system like this would make this game even more easier and user friendly, all while making zos get payed. For people who have jobs and can afford to pay this fee for a simple class change, all whilst saving the all inclusive re-grind of undaunted/mages guild/assault would be easy. This will help low effort players and people who cannot spend time on a video game for hours/days/weeks to simply change to the best class or a class that they have grown to like, all while saving the grind. Understand that this is an MMO, this is an unwritten long term contract type of game. But it is also Elder Scrolls, meaning the casual count is at an all time high. Meta players win(If continous balance for each class/set happens they will not, to a certain degree), grown adults who do not mind paying 20-50 bucks for a simple change win...If that is what you want to call a win; and also Zenimax gets payed. To what @MythicEmperor said; that would be terrible and make the game feel cheap. Also it would make Zenimax look really bad to everyone, sacrificing balance to the un-originals just to make more money. I believe they will never do something low like that though. If they support true balance(Morrowind expectations) and will accept another big option for making them some dough, which they will. Go for it, but everyone will be ever more keen on them because this is an MMO. Specifically one of the only, if not great MMO's on console(No idea about PC, but I doubt people make custom PC's just to hop on an MMO for a couple hours a week lol, but I digress).

White wabbit

So basically have one stam and magicka toon and then just use class change to current meta , don't see Zos selling many more character slots then

NewBlacksmurf

Any ideas for a class change are bad if it's going to use real money.

Honestly, race and visual changes should not use real money because so much changes each year

Nerouyn

MythicEmperor wrote: »

My main concern is that ZOS will intentionally nerf classes in order to push class change sales.

And ZO's concern is probably that someone might get annoyed enough by class nerfing to sue them.

Because like many MMOs ZO is almost certainly deliberately routinely hitting classes with the nerf bat supposedly in the name of "balance" but possibly truly in the name of just-changing-***-all-the-time-to-keep-things-fresh.

So if someone buys a class change token and switches to a class which is OP today and tomorrow ZO hits their new class with the nerf bat, they have arguably been cheated.

Solariken

Asardes wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want this. It makes 1000x more sense than a race change which for some reason ZOS had no problem taking our money for. What's the holdup???

How does this make 1000x more sense ?

@White wabbit let me offer an analogy - would you agree that it was easier for Michael Jordan to go from Basketball player to Baseball player than it was for Michael Jackson to go from black guy to white guy? That's how I feel about race change versus class change.

Wasted analogy as I'm from England so those are sports that I have no idea about

That comparison is also distasteful, since Michael Jackson didn't become white by choice. He actually had a pigment loss disease called vitiligo.

Sure that was the official story @Asardes, but vitiligo causes loss of pigment in blotches, it doesn't present so perfectly and evenly as shown in his case. He was likely receiving intentional therapies to alter pigmentation. This is further evidenced by the plethora of other cosmetic alterations including plastic surgery and hair transplants.

With all that said, I'm not judging him for his personal decisions nor do I care - I was simply using him as a relevant analogy to dispel the argument that class change somehow doesn't make sense yet race change was acceptable (to ZOS and the playerbase). Class change should be a thing.