Housing not getting inventory space logic

Stamden

"Only 3% of players have fully upgraded all the inventory space on all characters and maxed out bank space, so we're not going to add space to housing" -Zenimax

Less than 3% have a maxed out, fully geared characters for each class. Yet you still make a new class.

Less than 3% of people have completed all the Vet Trials. Yet you still add more.

Less than 3% of people have completed all the quests in the entire game. Yet you still make new content.

#ZenimaxLogic

jedtb16_ESO

one word....... yet

SydneyGrey

If only 3% of players bought Crown Crates, would they discontinue Crown Crates? I doubt it.

DeadlyRecluse

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

Taleof2Cities

Where's that beating the dead horse meme again?

I support more inventory space ... I don't support another complaint thread about it ...

ZiRM

They'll add it later in the Crown $tore.

zaria

Housing inventory space is actually an pretty good idea as it would be instanced out and don't need to be on the same database server as the bank but is part of house inventory, this result in you can not get access to items stored in house at crafting stations outside it.

NewBlacksmurf

Not players
3% of all characters

Stamden

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

I could care less about if they release it or not. I am just saying their argument is *** and contradicts how they currently produce things. They need to just come out and say "We're not going to add it because the only reason to buy ESO+ anymore if for the crafting bag. Less space = more $$$ for us"

Cryptical

And half have never NEVER upgraded their inventory at all.

Not one bag upgrade, not one saddlebag mount training.

Iccotak

Yeah, that is some BS there. My main character has max bank space and inventory space. and I don't have time to max out other character spaces. The truth is that the Crafting bag subscription probably helps them out big time in the long run

jedtb16_ESO

Neighbor wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

I could care less about if they release it or not. I am just saying their argument is *** and contradicts how they currently produce things. They need to just come out and say "We're not going to add it because the only reason to buy ESO+ anymore if for the crafting bag. Less space = more $$$ for us"

oh wow look out... a business trying to make money


how horrific is that?

STEVIL

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Not players
3% of all characters

On the stream...
for the 50% figure they said active players.
for the 3% figure they said players.
the idea they said characters instead of either of those - got a cite? made it up? what?

zaria

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Not players
3% of all characters

And how many of them are bank alts or dropped alts?

STEVIL

Neighbor wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

I could care less about if they release it or not. I am just saying their argument is *** and contradicts how they currently produce things. They need to just come out and say "We're not going to add it because the only reason to buy ESO+ anymore if for the crafting bag. Less space = more $$$ for us"

No it doesn't.
the sole context and scope of their housing storage was why it did not get prioritized for release day one.
They said everything that wasn't housing itself building blocks ( crafting, placing furnishings etc) went thru extra scrutiny for whether it got in this release.
They then provided two metrics for in game use related to whether to add yet another storage function getting included at release.

if it were me, i would have said "there are already riding lessons, bag space upgrades, bank upgrades available by in game gold and crowns and so a seventh way to increase inventory - even ignoring guild banks - simply did not pass that scrutiny and so it will not be in at release" and gave not one single metric beyond how many ways there are now to raise inventory.

but they went with more math...

For me myself and i, i do not want more storage, not more inventory slots. i want furnishing that will help make my existing inventory and inventory management more efficient than it is now.

WaTeR-aBuSeR

I laughed when I saw housing items taking up my inventory on pts. I laughed again when they gave the reason knowing it would tick people off. It will be another eso+ feature soon(tm) lol. We will have to just buy extra houses to hold all the excess items we can't put in our main one. Anything players beg for is going to end up costing us more. People want a way to transmog their gear and it will be another eso+ thing or sold as a crown item. ESO is the only mmo i've played that has gotten better over time, but the greed is really setting in.

Kodrac

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Where's that beating the dead horse meme again?

I support more inventory space ... I don't support another complaint thread about it ...

Ghost-Shot

Cryptical wrote: »

And half have never NEVER upgraded their inventory at all.

Not one bag upgrade, not one saddlebag mount training.

Great, now factor out all those accounts that tried the game for 15 minutes on a free weekend and never logged in again.

STEVIL

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

And half have never NEVER upgraded their inventory at all.

Not one bag upgrade, not one saddlebag mount training.

Great, now factor out all those accounts that tried the game for 15 minutes on a free weekend and never logged in again.

their statement for that metric specifically was "active players" so it seems like they may have already done what you ask because nobody would call what you describe as an active player.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

STEVIL wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

I could care less about if they release it or not. I am just saying their argument is *** and contradicts how they currently produce things. They need to just come out and say "We're not going to add it because the only reason to buy ESO+ anymore if for the crafting bag. Less space = more $$$ for us"

No it doesn't.
the sole context and scope of their housing storage was why it did not get prioritized for release day one.
They said everything that wasn't housing itself building blocks ( crafting, placing furnishings etc) went thru extra scrutiny for whether it got in this release.
They then provided two metrics for in game use related to whether to add yet another storage function getting included at release.

if it were me, i would have said "there are already riding lessons, bag space upgrades, bank upgrades available by in game gold and crowns and so a seventh way to increase inventory - even ignoring guild banks - simply did not pass that scrutiny and so it will not be in at release" and gave not one single metric beyond how many ways there are now to raise inventory.

but they went with more math...

For me myself and i, i do not want more storage, not more inventory slots. i want furnishing that will help make my existing inventory and inventory management more efficient than it is now.

Same. I dont need more space, well i probably do cuz 2500+ is clearly not enough, but what I really want are things like mannequins and weapons racks to help me better access my high end gear.

90% of the crap in my inventory is stuff I will probably never use, but I use almost the exact same gear set on half of my toons these days. Anything to help me deal with that would be amazing. Logging in and out of toons and swapping gear is a headache.

Dragonnord

The question is; how many players have created bank alts because they don't have enough space... ... ...

ZOS created character slots so players can play with different classes and races. However, players are using the slots to create bank mules and ZOS still don't care.

oxxalejandroxxo

spot on

Sigtric

I thought we moved past this outrage and were on to the next already. This doesn't even have a poll with biased choices.

jedtb16_ESO

STEVIL wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

I could care less about if they release it or not. I am just saying their argument is *** and contradicts how they currently produce things. They need to just come out and say "We're not going to add it because the only reason to buy ESO+ anymore if for the crafting bag. Less space = more $$$ for us"

No it doesn't.
the sole context and scope of their housing storage was why it did not get prioritized for release day one.
They said everything that wasn't housing itself building blocks ( crafting, placing furnishings etc) went thru extra scrutiny for whether it got in this release.
They then provided two metrics for in game use related to whether to add yet another storage function getting included at release.

if it were me, i would have said "there are already riding lessons, bag space upgrades, bank upgrades available by in game gold and crowns and so a seventh way to increase inventory - even ignoring guild banks - simply did not pass that scrutiny and so it will not be in at release" and gave not one single metric beyond how many ways there are now to raise inventory.

but they went with more math...

For me myself and i, i do not want more storage, not more inventory slots. i want furnishing that will help make my existing inventory and inventory management more efficient than it is now.

i agree...

i would like a wardrobe function....in my manor.... that allows me to store sets of gear, as a set.

if i have to give up inventory or bank space to get it..... that's fine.

if i have to pay extra for it that is fine too.

in fact... if i have to give up bank and inventory space and pay for it.... that is also fine.

it is a qol enhance that i would like to have.

STEVIL

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

one word....... yet

I feel like everyone misses this. They specifically said that it was not a priority in the crunch to get the system ready to launch, not that it wouldn't be included eventually.

I could care less about if they release it or not. I am just saying their argument is *** and contradicts how they currently produce things. They need to just come out and say "We're not going to add it because the only reason to buy ESO+ anymore if for the crafting bag. Less space = more $$$ for us"

No it doesn't.
the sole context and scope of their housing storage was why it did not get prioritized for release day one.
They said everything that wasn't housing itself building blocks ( crafting, placing furnishings etc) went thru extra scrutiny for whether it got in this release.
They then provided two metrics for in game use related to whether to add yet another storage function getting included at release.

if it were me, i would have said "there are already riding lessons, bag space upgrades, bank upgrades available by in game gold and crowns and so a seventh way to increase inventory - even ignoring guild banks - simply did not pass that scrutiny and so it will not be in at release" and gave not one single metric beyond how many ways there are now to raise inventory.

but they went with more math...

For me myself and i, i do not want more storage, not more inventory slots. i want furnishing that will help make my existing inventory and inventory management more efficient than it is now.

i agree...

i would like a wardrobe function....in my manor.... that allows me to store sets of gear, as a set.

if i have to give up inventory or bank space to get it..... that's fine.

if i have to pay extra for it that is fine too.

in fact... if i have to give up bank and inventory space and pay for it.... that is also fine.

it is a qol enhance that i would like to have.

thats exactly right.

I need means to change my habits functionally.

if i could build say two-three mannequins/armor-racks per character, so i could load up those with alt-loads (all 14 slots plus 8 quickslots) thats only 12x22x3 = 792 of my well over 2600 inventory slots - but that would be something i work to fill up and anything not going to one of those explicitly would be in the "is there any reason to keep this and if so, only one" category.

That alone would likely cut my non-craft-bag total inventory use in half and make my general play much more manageable and fluid with fewer bouts of "time for inventory".

Especially since any character could walk up and grab any setup - not just the original "intendee."

With three different in game ways to buy up inventory and the same as crown options with current maxes at 2600+ (with alts of course) i think anyone who thinks another way to get some small number of more slots - ie simple and quick easy to add storage dumped in quick before release of housing" - would make a significant difference either hasn't thought it thru or is in a much different place than i am and many others may be as well.

DM_ESO

Neighbor wrote: »

"Only 3% of players have fully upgraded all the inventory space on all characters and maxed out bank space, so we're not going to add space to housing" -Zenimax

#ZenimaxLogic

That's perfectly sound logic.

We all have a giant wishlist of housing features, and ZoS knows storage is one of them. In a project like this, you have to pick your battles so you can eventually finish the first release. If 97% of the userbase doesn't have a pressing need for this feature, and there is already an existing feature that provides similar functionality, then it becomes much less of a priority.

Until many more players start maxing their inventory out, then they should prioritize features that will deliver more bang for the buck and positively affect the most players overall.

Palidon

The logic behind not giving Housing Storage is ZOS is not about to give something for free that is going to take away something that has to be paid for (Crafting Bags). They give Housing Storage who needs the Crafting Bags. Now you might see Housing Storage added in the future but you will most likely have to pay for it.

arasysb14_ESO

how can you explain not being able to use a wardrobe or a chest in your own house because we are indirectly told "we don't need it" ? how immersive is that?

yea let's support whatever dumb excuse they come up with since housing system is far from being complete.

by the way, I wish there was LOL button for fanboys.

Jemcrystal

Only 3% up but still want the bj.

jedtb16_ESO

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

how can you explain not being able to use a wardrobe or a chest in your own house because we are indirectly told "we don't need it" ? how immersive is that?

yea let's support whatever dumb excuse they come up with since housing system is far from being complete.

by the way, I wish there was LOL button for fanboys.

i would refer you back to my first comment on this thread.... one word...

yet...

this will be the first iteration of housing..... there will be more to come.

now, take another step here. it's a game, sure. but it is also a business. businesses exist to maximize interest for their shareholders.

still with me?

good.

zos can (and, i hope, will) take the opportunity to maximize interest for their shareholders by monetizing storage in housing.

if they do i will get the qol enhancement that i will happily pay for..... a wardrobe facility for sets of gear.

clear?

Pangnirtung

Storage for housing will be in the game soon enough you can count on that.

Available houseing storage space from the Crown Store. It is all but guaranteed.