Elves eye size in trailers vs in-game.

elven.were_wolf

There is something that is really confusing me. In elder scrolls trailers elves have regular sized Irises, while in Elder scrolls games they take up almost the intirety of the eye.

So my question is which one is the right one lore wise?

Because in the older elder scrolls games dark elves and other elves are seen with regularly sized eyes. But in Skyrim and ESO elves have big iris sizes.

I need this information as I like to draw, but I keep getting frustrated when I look for references and see official sources draw elves with big irises and elves with regular sized irises.

What's the right lore correct eye size for elves!?

Riejael

Whatever the artist decides to do.

Elven Vampires get normal eyes in a red color in ESO.

KingYogi415

The dark elves in the trailer are supposedly half-human.

Cheers!

Tyrion87

Evolution?

SydneyGrey

Because whoever did the trailer knew the elves' eyes look creepy in the game, so they fixed it.

Abeille

The game is the source material, so it is most likely the one that is lore-accurate.

The eyes on the trailers are either like that to prevent the characters from looking too uncanny (because big irises do look uncanny when digitally applied to actual people) or because real elves were unavailable and they had to record it with humans instead

LMar

They come in various sizes and colours in fact

Faulgor

The trailers are terrible at depicting mer. It's blatant man-washing.

But as far as references go, for general face structure I'd advise Morrowind, for eyes you have a bit of leeway between Morrowind and Skyrim.

Duiwel

Riejael wrote: »

Elven Vampires get normal eyes in a red color in ESO.

...and it is a terrible crime on red eyed Dunmer!

srfrogg23

I think it has a lot to do with the camera in game. Because most people use 3rd person view the camera is further back and to accentuate the difference between elves and humans, the artists probably exaggerated the elves eyes in game a bit so people can see the difference at a glance.

The perspective in a trailer is a bit different and the physical difference between elves and humans is a lot easier to see given the level of detail, perspective, resolution, etc. So no need for a higher level of exaggeration in cinematics.

elven.were_wolf

For example this shows the evolution of elf eyes through the Elder Scrolls Games:

https://i.imgur.com/2ZCxorm.jpg

The first TES games elves have regular sized eyes. In skyrim was when the elves eye size increased.

Why can't yhey be consistant

Deceptive_Yoshi

I'm pretty sure the higher ups at marketing told the artists that you need to make the dunmer more human looking because the people watching the superbowl will be confused and scared by these angular angry looking faces.

Imryll

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

For example this shows the evolution of elf eyes through the Elder Scrolls Games:

https://i.imgur.com/2ZCxorm.jpg

The first TES games elves have regular sized eyes. In skyrim was when the elves eye size increased.

Why can't yhey be consistant

Some folks (not me, so much) complained that Oblivion elves looked like humans with pointed ears. Bethesda responded to this criticism by giving elves a more distinct look in Skyrim. Devs really can't win sometimes.

Publius_Scipio

Naryu in the trailer definitely had a nose job, chin implant, fat injections into her cheeks, botox to plump her lips, and probably a day before the trailer was filmed she was in L.A. getting a pedicure and manicure with Selena Gomez.

Mojmir

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Naryu in the trailer definitely had a nose job, chin implant, fat injections into her cheeks, botox to plump her lips, and probably a day before the trailer was filmed she was in L.A. getting a pedicure and manicure with Selena Gomez.

Were you getting "bicep enhancements"?

IcyDeadPeople

Personally loved the alien appearance of the elves in Skyrim and Morrowind with rather pronounced brow ridges. The world of TES feels like a very specific place, grounded in the detailed history where these Mer are much more alien than generic high fantasy elves, with unique and compelling cultures.

I was blown away by the character design work of Dennis Mejilliones on Skyrim - if they ever make something like a feature film, I'm hoping they end up resembling his elves:

Dunmer



Altmer:



Bosmer:

elven.were_wolf

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Naryu in the trailer definitely had a nose job, chin implant, fat injections into her cheeks, botox to plump her lips, and probably a day before the trailer was filmed she was in L.A. getting a pedicure and manicure with Selena Gomez.

Naryu is my Favourite ESO Character so I was internally screaming when I heard her voice in the trailer then saw her beautiful CJI face afterward.

Another reason why I want a solid answer is I'm tired of family members and friends seeing Naryu or dunmer in general and saying "What's wrong with her face?!", "Why are her eyes red?!" Or "Their faces are scary". Makes fangirling about one's favourite NPC with non-TES fans really difficult. It's as if someone just insulted your significant other.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Personally loved the alien appearance of the elves in Skyrim and Morrowind with rather pronounced brow ridges. The world of TES feels like a very specific place, grounded in the detailed history where these Mer are much more alien than generic high fantasy elves, with unique and compelling cultures.

I was blown away by the character design work of Dennis Mejilliones on Skyrim - if they ever make something like a feature film, I'm hoping they end up resembling his elves:

Dunmer



Altmer:



Bosmer:

Brow Ridges make elves look like Neanderthals.

Tabbycat

While you are wondering about the eyes of Elves, I am still wondering why Khajiit and Argonians had beast legs only in Morrowind.

Will we encounter beast-legged Khajiit and Argonians in Morrowind or will it remain as mysterious as Akavir?

PandaIsAPotato

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Personally loved the alien appearance of the elves in Skyrim and Morrowind with rather pronounced brow ridges. The world of TES feels like a very specific place, grounded in the detailed history where these Mer are much more alien than generic high fantasy elves, with unique and compelling cultures.

I was blown away by the character design work of Dennis Mejilliones on Skyrim - if they ever make something like a feature film, I'm hoping they end up resembling his elves:

Dunmer



Altmer:



Bosmer:

To each their own but I personally thought it was disgusting and immediately got mods to change it. In ESO they're fine though, but in Skyrim it was like they were permanently aged into their 60s and had metal rods in their brows and chins to make them more pronounced.

elven.were_wolf

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Personally loved the alien appearance of the elves in Skyrim and Morrowind with rather pronounced brow ridges. The world of TES feels like a very specific place, grounded in the detailed history where these Mer are much more alien than generic high fantasy elves, with unique and compelling cultures.

I was blown away by the character design work of Dennis Mejilliones on Skyrim - if they ever make something like a feature film, I'm hoping they end up resembling his elves:

Dunmer



Altmer:



Bosmer:

To each their own but I personally thought it was disgusting and immediately got mods to change it. In ESO they're fine though, but in Skyrim it was like they were permanently aged into their 60s and had metal rods in their brows and chins to make them more pronounced.

Agreed. I feel like ESO is the only Elder Scrolls games where you can make somewhat good looking and undiformed characters. In skyrim I was always frustrated because everyone had weird wrinkles and brow ridges, humans included. I was playing on console at the time so no mods for me.

Games should put in mind that not everyone wants their chacter in an RPG to look like a hideous monster. Me being someone who loves character cusomization was frustrated playing Skyrim, fallout3, fallout4 & fallout new Vegas with hideous characters.

Anyway, back on topic. I think the ESO got the elven look right. It's just the matter of the eyes that keeps being inconsistant through out TES games.

Browiseth

i imagine it's because zos hires a seperate company to do the CGI trailers, but i don't have any proof of that so

Nymirah

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

Games should put in mind that not everyone wants their chacter in an RPG to look like a hideous monster. Me being someone who loves character cusomization was frustrated playing Skyrim, fallout3, fallout4 & fallout new Vegas with hideous characters.

I understand. It really sours the experience for me if I cannot make a somewhat pretty looking character in the games I play. Lack of character customization and/or just awkward looking character models have caused me to ditch more than one game in the past. I know I'm probably in a minority here, but I can't help it. It's just too distracting for me.

With ESO it's just on the edge of what's tolerable for me with the weird gangly armed postures and abundance of overly harsh faces.

Bananko

Abeille wrote: »

or because real elves were unavailable and they had to record it with humans instead

When humans record as elves, one of the things they no doubt do is put on the longer elven ears.

But how do elven actors handle the ear dilemna when they're recording as humans?

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Bananko wrote: »

When humans record as elves, one of the things they no doubt do is put on the longer elven ears.

But how do elven actors handle the ear dilemna when they're recording as humans?

Lots of hats and headbands, I expect. Maybe strategically positioned hair. CGI touch-ups where possible.

[Deleted User]

The user and all related content has been deleted.

BadLuckCharm

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

Another reason why I want a solid answer is I'm tired of family members and friends seeing Naryu or dunmer in general and saying "What's wrong with her face?!", "Why are her eyes red?!" Or "Their faces are scary". Makes fangirling about one's favourite NPC with non-TES fans really difficult. It's as if someone just insulted your significant other.

Quick quips for those pesky questions:

"What's wrong with her face?!" -Nothing. Your eyes are defective.

"Why are her eyes red?!" -She's a Dunmer, that's normal. *roll eyes and shake head here*

"Their faces are scary" -You scare easy. Chicken! Ha ha!

BadLuckCharm

Bananko wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

or because real elves were unavailable and they had to record it with humans instead

When humans record as elves, one of the things they no doubt do is put on the longer elven ears.

But how do elven actors handle the ear dilemna when they're recording as humans?

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. See Spock in San Francisco.

[Deleted User]

The user and all related content has been deleted.

Waffennacht

That stable owner in Auridon seriously freaks me out lol

MythicEmperor

Bananko wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

or because real elves were unavailable and they had to record it with humans instead

When humans record as elves, one of the things they no doubt do is put on the longer elven ears.

But how do elven actors handle the ear dilemna when they're recording as humans?

With scissors