Are you with it or against it?

UrbanMonk

As in the latest development with ZOS and the article as it was presented to us, for which the link is bellow-
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017
it's a simple question in front of us. Are we going to just ignore the balent lies thrown to our faces all this time again and again, promises which were made and never kept, DLCs promised and never delivered, bug fixes promised and not done, and now on top of that a new content delivery system in terms of real life money paid to them. In name of content, being delivered more and more broken mechanics, half developed system i.e. justice system, Housing and breaking the whole game progression system in name of 1Tam, so that they don't have to fix other loop holes like vDSA leader boards, or scaling dungeon and other various exploits. So my question stand here as mentioned in the subject-

Tandor

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

We don't need another poll or topic on this, it's been done to death already.

NewBlacksmurf

There's already a few threads about this.

Bouldercleave

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm fine with the expansion costing some money over and above the sub.

It is WAY more than just a DLC zone.

Kodrac

Tandor wrote: »

We don't need another poll or topic on this, it's been done to death already.

And another biased one at that.

MythicEmperor

i am not fine with the previous actions of ZO$, but I am pleased with Morrowind

Bouldercleave

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

At least this one had an opposing option to choose.

Leandor

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

It's a good one though. The more people choose the biased "I'm ok with it" answer, the less of these useless.polls we have to endure.

idk

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Tandor wrote: »

We don't need another poll or topic on this, it's been done to death already.

I missed the memo where Zos asked us each to create our own thread or two of three with our son special takes on the expansion.

I better get started. I need to come up with something sweet and saucy for @NewBlacksmurf to get into.

Sandman929

Is there news beyond the stream announcement? If not then I still have no idea the full scope of what they're laughably, and transparently, labeling an "expansion" or "chapter" rather than DLC to avoid the wording in the ESO + description granting access to members to future DLC content sold in the crown store (which is why they won't sell it in the crown store).

I'll still buy it, because I love the game. But I don't pretend I don't see the marketing sleight of hand or that I excuse it because this is industry standard d-baggery.

If it's big enough to be more than DLC, I'll call it what they want me to call it.

Sigtric

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Womp womp


ok I'll vote in biased poll, fine.

SirAndy

Biased poll is biased ...

Slurg

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

I'm with choosing whether or not to buy "it" or anything else I darn well please if I feel it's worth my money and my time.

chavovaldez

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

What about those of us that love this because we like seeing idiots replacing S with $.
It's like wearing a big sign.

akl77

I really don't care...

Who cares about a non stop crashing and error game. For honor and horizon zero dawn coming, who cares about ESO.

Danikat

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

My position doesn't quite fit into most people's hyperbole. I've never subbed because I've never thought it was worthwhile. In particular it's always been cheaper to just buy the DLC out-right than to sub and hope they release enough stuff to justify it.

I also fully expected that if they released an expansion (something that's been rumoured for months now) subscribers would have to pay for it. It just seemed obvious to me and I found it strange that so many people said they wanted one even though it'd cost them extra.

I understand that people are upset, and I think for people in that position it's a reasonable reaction (at first, I'm sure it'll calm down over time, if only because I've seen it all before with other games).

But bearing all that in mind I'm fine with what ZOS are doing. They offer a payment method which works for me, I'm happy with the amount of content I get and what it costs me and what they've told me I'll get in future.

Silver_Strider

I really don't care...

https://youtu.be/TaX6ENKuf6s

Preyfar

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

As I see it, ZOS was open that the current system was not working and decided to change it long term for the good of the game. If it means we get a better product with better development time put into I'm all for it. I like ZOS, but each major DLC has NOT been read for release. Each one has had some annoying flaws or exploits which slipped through and NEVER, EVER should have made it to live (survey exploit... I'm looking at you).

But this was caused by ZOS needing to meet their deadlines and rushing through the development process when, really, these should have been delayed for quality control. If the major expansion gets the time it needs to arrive polished, better tested and ready to go... I am all for that. If the content is GOOD (read: not DB or TG level) even better. DB and TG had great storylines but ZOS force them behind an annoying grind mechanic which was, if anything, poorly realized and implemented.

jedtb16_ESO

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm fine with the expansion costing some money over and above the sub.

It is WAY more than just a DLC zone.

i agree entirely.....

wtf.... it really is the end of the world.

ADarklore

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Apparently ZOS is doing a great job considering they blew away all other MMOs for 'MMO of the Year'... so I think those complaining are in the extreme minority. From the reactions I've seen on other sites, this also pans out too, for every one complaint, I see at least 10+ people that are fully supportive.

Cadbury

I really don't care...

I'm not backing a horse in this race

This is starting to remind me of the elections all over again. Bleugh

Danikat

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Preyfar wrote: »

As I see it, ZOS was open that the current system was not working and decided to change it long term for the good of the game. If it means we get a better product with better development time put into I'm all for it. I like ZOS, but each major DLC has NOT been read for release. Each one has had some annoying flaws or exploits which slipped through and NEVER, EVER should have made it to live (survey exploit... I'm looking at you).

But this was caused by ZOS needing to meet their deadlines and rushing through the development process when, really, these should have been delayed for quality control. If the major expansion gets the time it needs to arrive polished, better tested and ready to go... I am all for that. If the content is GOOD (read: not DB or TG level) even better. DB and TG had great storylines but ZOS force them behind an annoying grind mechanic which was, if anything, poorly realized and implemented.

This is a good point, but I'm worried they're going to run into the same problem with annual expansions.

Guild Wars 1 was abandoned in favour of making Guild Wars 2 partially because the entire business model relied on them releasing a new campaign every year (they had no subscriptions and a very limited cash shop) and the company were never actually able to meet that schedule. (They also wanted to introduce mechanics which were impossible with the engine and all the maps being instanced.)

Whenever a studio does release a new game in a series every year it always seems to be either a re-hash of the same thing (football games for example) or they really struggle to maintain the quality, like the Assassin's Creed games and that schedule never seems to last.

Which actually would be fine for me as I tend to play games very slowly (especially big RPGs) so an expansion a year sounds like a bit much for me to keep up with. But if they do find they can't maintain the pace and release DLC in between, I suspect a lot of people will be unhappy.

abuniffpreub18_ESO

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

Slurg wrote: »

I'm with choosing whether or not to buy "it" or anything else I darn well please if I feel it's worth my money and my time.

I have 2 accounts. I'm pre-ordering the Collectors Edition mainly for the box and the stuff in it. That's what I did when the original game was released back in 2014. Then for the other account I'll probably buy the Digital Collector's Edition Upgrade.

I'm retired and live alone so the game is my entertainment. And yes I think it's worth it.

driosketch

I am cancelling my poll vote and will hence forth only comment in poll threads until balanced neutral choice phrasing is patched in.

BlackSparrow

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm fine with the expansion costing some money over and above the sub.

It is WAY more than just a DLC zone.

i agree entirely.....

wtf.... it really is the end of the world.

Until the next big announcement anyway. Then that will be the "no seriously guys, I'm quitting the game this time" upset.

LordGavus

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm fine with the expansion costing some money over and above the sub.

It is WAY more than just a DLC zone.

i agree entirely.....

wtf.... it really is the end of the world.

Until the next big announcement anyway. Then that will be the "no seriously guys, I'm quitting the game this time" upset.

Runs

I understand the issues people are having with this, but every thread that pops up is making me care less and less. I already unsubbed because of the crown crates, if I hadn't then I would unsub now.

If this bothers you then unsub. Just make sure you are prepared for the lack of crafting bag. When you craft it will first take out of your crafting bag. So every thing new you pick up will be useless to you other than trading, till you finish all those thousands that are saved in your c-bag.

If this bothers you, but not enough to unsub... Then please stop complaining, if you aren't willing to vote with your wallet there is no reason for ZOS to hear your pleas.

If this doesn't bother, then good on you

Derra

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

SirAndy wrote: »

Biased poll is biased ...

And stil not going the way that was hoped for

Bouldercleave

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm fine with the expansion costing some money over and above the sub.

It is WAY more than just a DLC zone.

i agree entirely.....

wtf.... it really is the end of the world.

Until the next big announcement anyway. Then that will be the "no seriously guys, I'm quitting the game this time" upset.

Nah, My biggest disappointment is with housing and on the larger scale - I just won't spend the coin for one. I'm still enjoying the game too much.

So far, I'm liking everything I'm seeing with Vvardenfell and I find value in it so I already ponied up for the preorder.

Bouldercleave

I see no problem with what they are doing and i'll support what they have done so far as well.

akl77 wrote: »

Who cares about a non stop crashing and error game. For honor and horizon zero dawn coming, who cares about ESO.

Apparently you care enough to stay here and post. If you want to leave, then leave.

DaveMoeDee

I feel bad for people who subbed, but the writing was on the wall. We already had 2 confirmed quarters with no DLC after a quarter with a 1500 crown DLC. I didn't expect them to follow that up with new content that is also not going to add value to ESO+.

I think the new approach is fine. The old approach was fine too. On paper. So long as they do what they plan, people can make informed decisions about how to get access to DLC. But if they can't deliver, not their problem.

I have long been an advocate for buying DLC with crowns anyway.