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More systems should be added to ESO+ to make up for lost content
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So now that the content schedule has been altered, I feel ESO+ benefits need to be reexamined. We are not getting a subscription DLC zone this June, and we did not get a DLC zone the last two content updates either. We got good content, don't get me wrong, but they were both base-game updates that failed to provide value to ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions. Now we are getting access to one DLC and one dungeon pack per year for our subscriptions at best, since the first update this year is one of the base-game updates I was referring to and the second update is a nonsubscription, retail-purchase-only content update. It is not necessarily bad to deliver content in that manner, but it makes the ESO+ subscriptions much less appealing than they were back when we were supposed to be getting new zones every quarter.
To make up for this lost content and make ESO+ more appealing, I suggest more systems be added to the subscription. In approximate order of importance, I would recommend :
Edited by Recremen on February 1, 2017 7:55PM To make up for this lost content and make ESO+ more appealing, I suggest more systems be added to the subscription. In approximate order of importance, I would recommend :
- Weapon Dyes
- Wardrobe feature ("restyling", "transmog", etc)
- Furniture Warehouse
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Jamini✭✭✭✭✭We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet."Adapt. or Die."7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Or they can bring their content back into the subscriber business model and sell Morrowind for 5500 crowns.
That would be a good compromise.
No unlimited access but its still available for crowns. That way subscribers could still benefit because they could save crowns for it.
Hell make it 6000 crowns, that's 4 months or $60 of subscription.9 -
sirston✭✭✭✭✭We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
says the one who doesn't read....A dungeon-based DLC in the third quarter
A content-based DLC in the fourth quarter
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017Whitestakes Revenge
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✭✭✭✭✭We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
@Jamini
It's not baseless conjecture, it's bad proofreading. Thanks for the catch! I have since changed it to what I intended to say. In the original I even talked later in the post about how the DLC at the end of the year is (or dang well should be) a zone, it's not like I was trying to have no rational foundation.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.
You pay 14€ for the subscription per month. And for that you get 1500 crowns which alone are worth these 14€ in the crown store. Soooooo....
Plus you get the bag, dye, xp/inspiration bonus and access to each and every previous dlc and every coming DLC (3 per year).
But okay, it's not worth it and I'm not a rational people and poor at making decisions with my money.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on February 1, 2017 8:12PM16 -
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✭What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.
True, but I am quite sure that most of us who pay for the subscription didn't buy the subscription with the assumption (or banking on) the "promise" that there would DLCs on a particular schedule to get "true" value in the game.
Perhaps those that have never played a TES or any other MMO in history might, but it would just be foolish to base an entire purchase on one fraction of available benefits. It would be like paying a subscription for a magazine or cable channel with only the expectation that one particular article or show would play forever more in one particular place or time-slot.
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.
You pay 14€ for the subscription per month. And for that you get 1500 crowns which alone are worth these 14€ in the crown store. Soooooo....
Plus you get the bag, dye, xp/inspiration bonus and access to each and every previous dlc and every coming DLC (3 per year).
But okay, it's not worth it and I'm not a rational people and poor at making decisions with my money.
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Imryll✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
You pay 14€ for the subscription per month. And for that you get 1500 crowns which alone are worth these 14€ in the crown store. Soooooo....
Plus you get the bag, dye, xp/inspiration bonus and access to each and every previous dlc and every coming DLC (3 per year).
But okay, it's not worth it and I'm not a rational people and poor at making decisions with my money.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't I also read something about ESO+ members getting to place more items in their homes? That would make the crafting bag, costume dyes, and additional furnishings all new benefits within the last year. Dang! They've been changing what we get for our subscriptions right and left.
Fortunately, we can change our subscription status at any time depending on whether we feel the current benefits are worth the cost.
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.1 -
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✭I really like this idea. I would feel a lot better about my sub if restyling and furniture storage were added as a perk. I kind of think weapon dying should be universal though, maybe just because armor is.1 -
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✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.0 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.
You pay 14€ for the subscription per month. And for that you get 1500 crowns which alone are worth these 14€ in the crown store. Soooooo....
Plus you get the bag, dye, xp/inspiration bonus and access to each and every previous dlc and every coming DLC (3 per year).
But okay, it's not worth it and I'm not a rational people and poor at making decisions with my money.
It doesn't matter if anyone thinks subs are still getting a deal with the DLC model apparently changing or not. The point is that it has changed. Base game changes are not DLC content, and access to DLC content (along with statements from developers about what to expect in terms of the timetables for new content) is part of what the ESO subscription is supposed to provide.
Everyone is free to cancel subs if they don't feel that the value is there anymore, but some people don't want to do that and want to continue to support the game via subscription while still getting the value laid out that prompted them to sign up for the sub to begin with.
If the content being delivered the future is being reduced (notice the "if") the terms of the subs needs to be revisited. It's not a question of whiners Vs white-knights defending every developer decision. The terms of the subscription have shifted.2 -
Egonic✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?
I am pretty happy they did not keep their word and spent the time on One Tamriel instead.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think ZoS made their bed on this . They will still have subscribers . I'm just amazed that the love for this game so strong it gets supported in full despite any and all changes . That's really rare for any MMO . I'm not going to ask for anything more just for subscribers because I have a feeling this new content delivery system will eventually lead to a new business model eventually anyways .
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?
I am pretty happy they did not keep their word and spent the time on One Tamriel instead.
It doesn't change the facts as they were clearly stated. I wish I could promise my customers products, not deliver but tell them I spent time working on something else, then charge them more for what I originally promised only to call them entitled if/when they complain about any of it. What a marvelous world you seem to live in.8 -
lehran✭✭✭I'd much rather your #1 and #2 ideas be part of the base game available to everyone (locked behind appropriate levels of the appropriate crafting skills in the case of #2). I can get behind #3 though, and I'd also like to offer a couple of other ideas to sweeten the deal now that we know that the sub is only giving us half of what was originally promised:
- Increase the crown stipend to 1800 crowns per month. With crown store prices inflating this much, 1500 doesn't stretch anywhere near as far as it used to. Pricing-wise, 1800 per month would be the equivalent crown-per-dollar price as the 3000 crown pack scaled down to $15 (in other words, $15 for 1800 is a per-crown equivalent price to $25 for 3000).
- 4 free crown crates per month for the current season (at time of subscription renewal, for those that pay for multiple months in advance). Assuming a monthly sub, this would equate to 12 crates per season, or roughly a 35% chance to get at least one Apex-tier reward.
- A DLC guest pass for every 3 continuous months one remains subscribed, which can be used to give a friend temporary access to one DLC for 72 hours.
- Entry into a monthly sweepstakes to win a free upgrade to the next Chapter. Maybe have something like 10-20 winners each month.1 -
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✭✭✭Weapon Dyes
Wardrobe feature ("restyling", "transmog", etc)
Furniture Warehouse
Weapons dyes - sure. Tho IMo for whole game not ESO+.
Wardrobe features - hell no. please no. Also, i doubt they would be adding a new "convert to style" as a special purchase bennie if they planned to open up style control beyond crafted sets and those special cases.
Furniture warehouse - not sure but i would think free rooms at the inn might be a start.
Also, please note, ESO+ get lotsa extra furnishing allotments in each dwelling - iirc. is it double the normal non-sub? haven't checked in a while, so ESO+ did/will get an up as of next week on live.
if anything were added to ESO+, i think what i want more is inventory management/efficient inventory tools.
ESO+ should IMO be about time... more time to play less time on other stuff.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Egonic✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?
I am pretty happy they did not keep their word and spent the time on One Tamriel instead.
It doesn't change the facts as they were clearly stated. I wish I could promise my customers products, not deliver but tell them I spent time working on something else, then charge them more for what I originally promised only to call them entitled if/when they complain about any of it. What a marvelous world you seem to live in.
Why are you lying and saying that "they" are calling you entitled, can't see any reason why Zenimax staff would be insulting you...
I never knew it was clearly stated, can you show me where in the store page this information was available, cause obviously if they broke their agreement then I would want my money back.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.
You pay 14€ for the subscription per month. And for that you get 1500 crowns which alone are worth these 14€ in the crown store. Soooooo....
Plus you get the bag, dye, xp/inspiration bonus and access to each and every previous dlc and every coming DLC (3 per year).
But okay, it's not worth it and I'm not a rational people and poor at making decisions with my money.
@Chilly-McFreeze
The Crowns are not worth 1500, they are a nonrefundable fiat currency that you can use to exchange for things which might actually have utility, like costumes or mounts. They function like a currency regardless of what the legalese in the ToS brand them as, and as such they are only valuable inasmuch as they continue to be exchangeable for adequate goods and services. This has increasingly not been the case.
The crafting bag, costume dye, and other bonuses fall exactly in line with the thing I am describing in the topic. They are systems that I believe are adequate substitutions for DLC.What I find more than a little frightening is that someone actually said: "ESO+ members who were banking on the promised DLC schedule to get the true value out of their subscriptions."
Honestly, I've been an ESO+ member since the beginning and never once has that thought even crossed my mind.
I know that some folks just throw money at a company without any expectation of receiving something of value, but most of us are rational people making good decisions with our money.
True, but I am quite sure that most of us who pay for the subscription didn't buy the subscription with the assumption (or banking on) the "promise" that there would DLCs on a particular schedule to get "true" value in the game.
Perhaps those that have never played a TES or any other MMO in history might, but it would just be foolish to base an entire purchase on one fraction of available benefits. It would be like paying a subscription for a magazine or cable channel with only the expectation that one particular article or show would play forever more in one particular place or time-slot.
There is more to ESO than just the DLCs.
@DenMoria
You may not have personally banked on it, but there is a clear and consistent communication trail on the topic.
Here is the page on the benefits of ESO Plus. It confirms that we will get access to all DLC. The next question one might ask is "well gee, how often are we going to get DLC?" Here is the 2016 Year Ahead article which clearly states that updates are going to be provided quarterly. "But that says updates, not DLC!!" you might declare. You are correct, but These Two articles explicitly declare that we will have quarterly DLC. I'm not talking out of my tailhole here, these were advertised features that a reasonable person can be expected to have made a purchasing decision on. If you did not take these into account then that's not on me.
Also, your analogy inadequately describes the situation. If you want to use a cable channel subscription to illustrate the point, it would be like the cable company promising that they will provide all their channels to subscribers and then later announcing that they will no longer do this, only providing some channels and keeping other channels for a separate premium purchase. It is not necessarily bad to do that, since the subscriber can ostensibly cancel at any time (cancelation fees and such not applying, of course), but the announcement objectively runs counter to previously-advertised features and it's not unreasonable to say that this could damage customer relationships. I am not personally upset about the announcement, but I do recognize that by failing to adhere to the advertised quarterly DLC schedule ZOS is going to burn a few bridges. I am saying that by offering commensurately valuable systems to ESO+ they have an opportunity to repair some of that.Edited by Recremen on February 1, 2017 8:59PMMen'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭I really like this idea. I would feel a lot better about my sub if restyling and furniture storage were added as a perk. I kind of think weapon dying should be universal though, maybe just because armor is.
Yeah I think weapon dyeing should be universal as well, I was just giving some popular example systems that would be of appropriate value to relieve missed DLC concerns.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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As an ESO+ subscriber I wouldn't say no to getting more crowns per month(1800-2000 maybe) or just throw me 1 or 2 crown crates per month from the current ones that are up.
Weapon dyes and wardrobe functionalities such as a transmog system should be base game things for all players imo, as for furniture warehouse....meh I don't care much for player housing so what use is that to someone like me?
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✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?
Didn't we get 4 DLC's last year? I seem to remember that we did:
Imperial City
Orsinium
Dark Brotherhood
Thieves Guild
I think there may have been more, but I haven't really been paying close attention.
And didn't we also get One Tamriel along with any number of smaller items and crown store items as well? And didn't they just announce Morrowind?
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?
I am pretty happy they did not keep their word and spent the time on One Tamriel instead.
It doesn't change the facts as they were clearly stated. I wish I could promise my customers products, not deliver but tell them I spent time working on something else, then charge them more for what I originally promised only to call them entitled if/when they complain about any of it. What a marvelous world you seem to live in.
Why are you lying and saying that "they" are calling you entitled, can't see any reason why Zenimax staff would be insulting you...
I never knew it was clearly stated, can you show me where in the store page this information was available, cause obviously if they broke their agreement then I would want my money back.
The sources and official quotes are all over the forum. I'm sure someone will eventually compile them but it's not going to be me. They also changed the wording on ESO+ recently just to exclude expansions as DLC. What's funny is that what the said on ESO Live is perhaps the most damaging as they outright said with ESO+ you won't need to pay for additional content.
If I find the post with the ESO Live quotes again I'll link them for you though.
EDIT: I can't link the specific post on mobile but here is the quote:
ESO Live Today Feb 13th 2015
00:16:30
ESO Plus members, while you are a member you have access to the regions, so different dungeons, additional content, you're going to have access to that.Edited by Hiero_Glyph on February 1, 2017 9:35PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭just stop your subscription if its not of value, things have changed again....but nothing happens until June 6th
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Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »We are not getting a DLC zone this year
Baseless conjecture.
The features sound nice. But we're only a month into the year. Let's not say the sky is falling just yet.
It will be a year since the last DLC in August. We may only be a month into 2017 but that doesn't excuse the lack of DLC for the previous 4 months.
I'm confused. Are you expecting a new zone DLC EVERY month?!? Yikes. Is it any wonder there are so many other issues with ESO since everybody needs to be scrambling to figure out where to put zones and what content to put in to it to satisfy!
The entitlement is strong in this one.
ZOS promised 4 DLCs per year after IC. They made this statement, not me. Is it entitlement to hold someone to their word?
I downloaded One Tamriel, isn't that a DLC? Or did it come out back in August? That seems like a long time ago.0
