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Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
Kalathir
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I understand they need to make money, it is a business after all, but if they are going to start forcing players to buy the additional content to get access to it by calling it something different from DLC, then what is the point of subscribing?.
The craft bag is a dirty way of forcing people to subscribe. They introduced an annoying and time consuming mechanic that can be removed by paying monthly. That’s a scheme seen mostly on mobile free-to-play games, not on AAA buy-to-play games.
Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
Edited by Kalathir on January 31, 2017 9:20PM The craft bag is a dirty way of forcing people to subscribe. They introduced an annoying and time consuming mechanic that can be removed by paying monthly. That’s a scheme seen mostly on mobile free-to-play games, not on AAA buy-to-play games.
Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
Should ZOS drop subscriptions? 96 votes
Yes, they should drop subscriptions
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10 votes
No, it is fine the way it is now
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52 votes
No, but they should add more benefits for subscribers
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowThe drama llamas are out in full force today I see.Sweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!10 -
[Deleted User]✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowThe user and all related content has been deleted.0
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersMore for subs,double the crowns3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowI don't know why people are surprised that an Expansion Pack is not included in the subscription price. It is standard MMO practice.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Earlier today people on this forum were saying the crafting bag is worth the price of the subscription all on it's own: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317233/does-the-craft-bag-fundamentally-changes-the-fun-factor-for-the-game/p1
There's been numerous discussions about making it available to non-subs, even in a limited form (e.g. selling space for 10 items at a time in the crown store) and the consensus always seemed to be that they should keep it exclusive to subs and if you want it you should sub because it's well worth it.
I imagine quite a few people are feeling differently right now, but I'd give it a few days at least for initial reactions to die down before trying to have a discussion like this.
(Also technically they didn't introduce a new mechanic to force people to sub - they just didn't make the fix to an existing problem available to everyone. When the game launched, the sub was mandatory and included everything there was no crafting bag, you had to buy inventory space with gold (no option to use "free" sub crowns, those didn't exist either) to store all your materials.)Edited by Danikat on January 31, 2017 9:28PMPC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersI pay for X. They have just made it plain I am not entitled to X. Therefore, they'd better find me a pretty good Y and actually keep their word on it this time."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowThe drama llamas are out in full force today I see.
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Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersThey should not drop subscriptions. How else would they continue to fund the game? Crown Store profits would not be enough.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowIt's fine as is.
Ppl don't understand so they're overreacting as usual.
It's an expansion....not forced but no one confirmed no dlc would be coming so I think all is fine as is-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribers...but if they are going to start forcing players to buy the additional content to get access to it by calling it something different from DLC, then what is the point of subscribing?.
The craft bag is a dirty way of forcing people to subscribe. They introduced an annoying and time consuming mechanic that can be removed by paying monthly. That’s a scheme seen mostly on mobile free-to-play games, not on AAA buy-to-play games.
Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
I think you are a bit off the mark here. The problem isn't them charging money for expansions. WoW has a MANDATORY monthly sub and they still charge MORE than ESO for their expansions, so whatever to that whole beef.
I DO think they need more perks though. Specifically, I think that subscribers should get at least 10 casino crates per month for supporting the game through that tragic low point, moving forward.2 -
[Deleted User]✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowThe user and all related content has been deleted.0
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✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersThe only additional perk I'd like to see for Subscribers is the ability to purchase one of each mount upgrade per day, rather than just one total.
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✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »They should not drop subscriptions. How else would they continue to fund the game? Crown Store profits would not be enough.
Filing lawsuits against social media sites
If Zenimax wins the lawsuit against Facebook... they would have crap loads of money. We're talking about billions of dollars here.0 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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Two things, I guess.I don't know why people are surprised that an Expansion Pack is not included in the subscription price. It is standard MMO practice.
1) We haven't seen much to explain why Morrowind deserves to be called an expansion. It comes with a new class, fair enough, but other than that everything could just be included in a normal DLC. ZOS needs to show some gameplay and tell us how the landmass compares to other regions, particularly Wrothgar (the 30 hours they mentioned weren't very reassuring).
2) People subbed with the expectation that it's a method of unlocking all future content - if not directly, then at least through the accumulated crown stipend. That is not the case anymore. This leaves us with the next 9 months of zero new content for subscribers (Homestead is free, Morrowind requires an additional purchase anyway).Edited by Rosveen on January 31, 2017 9:34PM1 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowAbsolutely notBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
Kalathir✭✭...but if they are going to start forcing players to buy the additional content to get access to it by calling it something different from DLC, then what is the point of subscribing?.
The craft bag is a dirty way of forcing people to subscribe. They introduced an annoying and time consuming mechanic that can be removed by paying monthly. That’s a scheme seen mostly on mobile free-to-play games, not on AAA buy-to-play games.
Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
I think you are a bit off the mark here. The problem isn't them charging money for expansions. WoW has a MANDATORY monthly sub and they still charge MORE than ESO for their expansions, so whatever to that whole beef.
WOW, yes. But in GW2 for example, that is a B2P game like ESO, they charge for the expansion but it doesn`t have a subscription.0 -
TheTwistedRune✭✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersI suggest some people go to this thread https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317326/morrowind-and-eso#latest and read it rather than missing the point of what some people are upset about entirely.
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drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersNo...keep subs - helps the devs make new content. Plus the monthly "dues" are incredibly inexpensive entertainment compared to say a steak dinner and a movie...and that's for only one night!0
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Akrasjel✭✭✭✭No, but they should add more benefits for subscribersI am not forced to do nothing.[PC][EU][Daggerfall Covenant]
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bigmamajama✭✭✭LOL are you serious, how is this even a topic for debate. Put on your thinking cap.0
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is now...but if they are going to start forcing players to buy the additional content to get access to it by calling it something different from DLC, then what is the point of subscribing?.
The craft bag is a dirty way of forcing people to subscribe. They introduced an annoying and time consuming mechanic that can be removed by paying monthly. That’s a scheme seen mostly on mobile free-to-play games, not on AAA buy-to-play games.
Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
I think you are a bit off the mark here. The problem isn't them charging money for expansions. WoW has a MANDATORY monthly sub and they still charge MORE than ESO for their expansions, so whatever to that whole beef.
WOW, yes. But in GW2 for example, that is a B2P game like ESO, they charge for the expansion but it doesn`t have a subscription.
GW2 went F2P when they released their expansion, so I would say we are coming out of this pretty well since F2P wasn't announced.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine the way it is nowI understand they need to make money, it is a business after all, but if they are going to start forcing players to buy the additional content to get access to it by calling it something different from DLC, then what is the point of subscribing?.
The craft bag is a dirty way of forcing people to subscribe. They introduced an annoying and time consuming mechanic that can be removed by paying monthly. That’s a scheme seen mostly on mobile free-to-play games, not on AAA buy-to-play games.
Should ZOS drop subscriptions?
Mmmmm.... no. Inventory was the way it was since the beginning of the game. They introduced the crafting bag to remedy that. Unlike in BDO where the whole inventory/weight system was designed from the get go to make you spend money.
That said, I think they should just make the craft bag available to all players for free (and I say that as a subscriber).The Moot Councillor0 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, it is fine the way it is nowGod no, why? You realize subscriber revenue gets you all these cool new DLC's right? I mean, there has been a steady rise in players and judging by the new content and full CGI trailer they are making use of that revenue. Other games that have come out in the last few years and are free to play are generally P2W cash stores. At least ESO get's its money more fairly.
And my ESO+ crafting bag? NO ONE TAKES THAT AWAY FROM ME! NO ONEEEEE!!!!!!!!Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!0 -
Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As a subscriber I don't expect Morrowind to be included since it's supposedly an expansion much larger than previous DLC's but they do need to add more benefits to being a monthly subscriber. $15 a month needs to offer more than a craft bag because I bought the gold edition of the game and so I'm not even benefiting from the DLC access that was previously a worthwhile reason to subscribe.Edited by Twohothardware on January 31, 2017 10:09PM0
