Class/race for frost tank?

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

So with the new patch on its way soon Im going to try to frost tank so am looking for some build ideas. I mainly play tanks and healers but ive got a dormant max level magicka sorc sitting there. Does anyone have any ideas as to what would be the best class and race for this role? I also have a magicka templar that I'm considering to convert too. I think I'm probably going to try the Syrabane and Thunderbug sets too unless anyone has a better idea. Thanks in advance

Runs · January 2017

Argonian Nightblade... Frost Sap Tank

-edit- I am a casual noob though... This just seems like it would be fun.

Jitterbug · January 2017

There's a winter-something wrothgar set with frost proc.

Mr_Apollo · January 2017

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

Cimadon · January 2017

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

Dunmer if you are both magicka and stamina tanking maybe?

theher0not · January 2017

DK could work. Both Draconic Power and Earthen Heart has some good takning skills, and you can pull adds to you. (I would go with Breton or Altmer. DK has passives to help you gain the stamina you might need to block, CCbreak and roll)

I guess NB could work, they have some nice skills too. (If NB I would go with Argonian).

Mr_Apollo · January 2017

Cimadon wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

Dunmer if you are both magicka and stamina tanking maybe?

Good suggestion:

Improves Flame damage by 3% (max 7%)
Improves Frost and Shock damage by 1% (max 2%)
Improves max magica and maximum stamina by 2% (max 6%)
Improves maximum magica by 1% and Flame resistance by 693 (max 3% and resistance by 2079)

Dont really like dunmers, didnt really thought about them

IcyDeadPeople · January 2017

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

How would you do stamina frost tank? Doesn't it cost magicka to block with frost staff now?

Mr_Apollo · January 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

How would you do stamina frost tank? Doesn't it cost magicka to block with frost staff now?

True that, though i can see some people doing a hybrid of sword and board on one bar and Staff on the other bar. And dunmer passives allow for that

Cimadon · January 2017

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

How would you do stamina frost tank? Doesn't it cost magicka to block with frost staff now?

True that, though i can see some people doing a hybrid of sword and board on one bar and Staff on the other bar. And dunmer passives allow for that

My thoughts aswell. You could block on one bar (frost staff) and when magicka is depleted switch to S&B bar for stamina blocking. But I'm no where near a scholar on the subject.

Mr_Apollo · January 2017

Cimadon wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Considering taht tanking with an ice staff is gonna be underwhelming id say change to sword and board, but if you really want to give it a shot, Id say use Nord if youre going for stamina and Breton if youre going for Magica. For class...well...no class gives very good passives for ice so i dont know really.

How would you do stamina frost tank? Doesn't it cost magicka to block with frost staff now?

True that, though i can see some people doing a hybrid of sword and board on one bar and Staff on the other bar. And dunmer passives allow for that

My thoughts aswell. You could block on one bar (frost staff) and when magicka is depleted switch to S&B bar for stamina blocking. But I'm no where near a scholar on the subject.

The very big thing about that is how attribute points will be divided since youll be using all 3 pools. You need a comfortable ammount of health, a comfortable ammount of stamina and a comfortable ammount of magica. Youll have low of each resources. And thats where enchants will help and set choosing will provide key

Digiman · January 2017

Well your sorcerer would be great for resource management and self healing not mention buffing your magicka pool to rediculous levels with bound aegis and use inner fire for range taunting, don't trust the long wait for staff full powered taunt.

But this is a new mechanic and will likely be bug ridden or have problems when compared to sword and board.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Awesome! I never even considered using a Dummer or a DK and I so happen to have one of those sleeping away in my character list. Thanks guys for all your comments

much appreciated

Narvuntien · January 2017

I was going to Breton Templar Ice staff Tank/healer with a Resto staff as well.

Although I am leveling S&B anyway incase it doesn't work.

CaptainVenom · January 2017

Go Breton. Remember, they have increased spell resistante.

Jitterbug · January 2017

The stam morph for the sorc skill lightning form (forgot name) looks kinda frosty. Might be worth to consider for looks.

RoyJade · January 2017

Breton templar !
Bretons have amazing passives for frost tanking (10% more magicka for more block, 3% cost reduction for less magicka used with taunt and support abilities, and spell resistance), templars have some great tanking tools along with self heal, and focus rune will be really good for magicka sustain while blocking.

Mr_Apollo · January 2017

RoyJade wrote: »

Breton templar !
Bretons have amazing passives for frost tanking (10% more magicka for more block, 3% cost reduction for less magicka used with taunt and support abilities, and spell resistance), templars have some great tanking tools along with self heal, and focus rune will be really good for magicka sustain while blocking.

Perhaps, but what if he wants to quickly change to Stamina maybe? Breton passives wont really help

RoyJade · January 2017

Breton is still good for a s/b tank, especially a templar tank who uses his magicka a lot. More magicka is more support spell (and stronger selfheal), cost reduction is even more support, and spell resist is less damage. Breton is a good overall tanking race already.
And if he wants to switch to stam dps, dunmer will be only correct when comparing to redguard, khajiit or even bosmer (since stamplar have the worst stam sustain on the entire game).

Mr_Apollo · January 2017

RoyJade wrote: »

Breton is still good for a s/b tank, especially a templar tank who uses his magicka a lot. More magicka is more support spell (and stronger selfheal), cost reduction is even more support, and spell resist is less damage. Breton is a good overall tanking race already.
And if he wants to switch to stam dps, dunmer will be only correct when comparing to redguard, khajiit or even bosmer (since stamplar have the worst stam sustain on the entire game).

Never said Bretons are bad tanks. I have a Magplar tank as a breton and i find no trouble at all. The problem is, unlike dunmer, Bretons racials are only beneficial for one of those pools..Magica if in case he wants to switch to stam, with a dunmer he will have more help rather than a breton only has help for magica. Not saying its impossible or bad, but if i had the choice, id rather go with one is more open rather than one that is closed off to magica (At the end of the day though, racials only change a bit of your stats. Not a whole lot)

Grymmoire · January 2017

You might want to take a look at Alcast's frostmage build for some inspiration too:

https://youtu.be/2NHvjeU_YJs

http://alcasthq.com/frostmage/

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2017

Me and my bro are getting ready for it, he's a Nord DK Tank,1:2 magicka health attribute distribution (with a few enchants in stam for blocking and such).

S&B on main bar, frost staff on back bar. Atm its more a hybrid but once update drops we'll confugure it appropriately.

Currently we have no problem 2 manning normal dungeons with his Off-tank and my DPS running vigour.

Edit: neither of us run BiS gear really, I go 5x spriggan (jewellery and sharp daggers), 3x VO, 2x Velidreth and 2x TBS (for the undaunted mettle and health bonus). He runs 2x Tremorscale, 5x Julianos, 3x willpower, 2x Turogs.

Asardes · January 2017

I currently have a MagSorc Tank running 5 Willow's Path (Infushed heavy chest and legs, divines light waist, medium hands and heavy feet) + 5/4 Amber Plasm (S&B on front bar, resto on back bar, both sharpened, infused shield) + 2 Infernal Guardian (heavy, infused head, impenetrable shoulder because I don't have divines). Since the latter won't be able to crit and thus do the same damage, or contribute to power surge heals come next patch, I will consider switching to Iceheart for some extra shield and farming Amberplasm ice staff for back bar. He's High Elf, and with the recovery stacking, the 9% bonus becomes quite noticeable. Thus I'm running with 2.4K magicka recovery and 1.3K stamina recovery while keeping Thief mundus for 50% spell critical and 40% weapon critical for frequent self heals. I have been able to finish all veteran dungeon hard modes without difficulty on current build, except VROM, which is attributable more to group DPS & mechanics failure than tank build itself.