I didn't understand the logic

OrphanHelgen

Thank you very much Zenimax, for answering the question on ESO live today: Why do you nerf instead of buffing?
You said it was to bring everything to an equal level.

I'm still confused and I might have missed something but,
If stamina already under performing in pve end game 12 man trials and you hardly see any stamina atm, how will nerfing staming bringing equal level towards classes and playstyle? How can the rearming trap dmg have so much to do with this? Was poisoned serpent set a massive problem in pve since the crit nerf? Was 2 piece kragh hitting for too much? Was the 3% wpn dmg on dual wield nerf the reason stamina was too overpowered?

Sorry guys, I just don't seem to understand this logic, I need help I only have 200 days played on my main, and played since release date, I have too little experience with this game to understand. I also only raid 5-6 times a week, 3 hour each day, which will be 18 hours a week of raiding. I know this isn't much, and maybe if I played more and followed the meta, I would understand, but apparently I do not.

Not sure if I should mention this since I already feel stupid for miss understanding the whole time, but I thought when they buffed magicka with illambris, grothdarr, destro ult, aoe in general, shield and range dps, they already got to the level of stamina.
I guess since mag and stam are equal balanced now, we will see 50% stam and 50% mag in raids. Can't wait to check it out

Mojmir

First they have to have logic before you can understand it.

rustic_potato

The problem is you see only from an end game raiding PoV. If you take the entire player base into account how many magika users do you think will be able to pull numbers like people in top tier raiding teams? Not many. From ZOS point of view nerf to stam brings it closer to magika across the entire spectrum.. For end game game raiding stam gets shafted but that population is too low to make any meaningful shift in the overall average..

OrphanHelgen

rustic_potato wrote: »

The problem is you see only from an end game raiding PoV. If you take the entire player base into account how many magika users do you think will be able to pull numbers like people in top tier raiding teams? Not many. From ZOS point of view nerf to stam brings it closer to magika across the entire spectrum.. For end game game raiding stam gets shafted but that population is too low to make any meaningful shift in the overall average..

Unless you min maxing, you wont notice imbalance anyway

Mojmir

I'm sure rich has a graph/chart he's "making up" to justify lol.

rustic_potato

That is exactly the problem.. I think ZOS balance numbers are based of 1 layer of data. How many stam vs magika users are currently playing and what numbers in dps are they doing? Right now on live the dps ceiling of stam is higher than magika on single target. ZOS sees this number and decides that magika needs a buff to bring balance to the game.. Min maxed raiders are the only ones to be affected by this change..

I gave up on my stam characters since One Tamriel.. It is much easier to get into a raid with any magika character..

mr_wazzabi

Anybody have a summary of the twitch for those that didn't have time to watch?

3pm et isn't exactly a friendly time for most people.

Solid_Metal

wrobel doesn't have any clue wth is he talking about, hell, i even doubt any of ZoS designer know their own game, seriously , "not adding storage cause of not lot of people max their storage"....i meant what kind of stupidity is this?, can't they just give it as an option and make it as a favor for those who already max their storage

this ESO Live is kinda soul crushing at some point

NewBlacksmurf

If I can try to explain the un-explainable....

-They aren't making changes based on (if something is under performing)

-They are making changes based on a bell curve of a series of possible performances which now come via PTS feedback, other sources, their own BOTs, etc.


So what going to happen is when people get on the forums or stream, etc. and talk about or point out outliers...those outliers will be weighed against a bell curve of overall effects, builds and possibilities

Whats buffed and whats nerfed is all subjective but changes will continue...its the best they can do right now but the new BOTs may belp them better monitor and evaluate these things.