Skoria on a magsorc?

psychotic13

I put skoria on my magsorc just to see if the Familiar procs it, turns out it does. Just wondering if anyone has ever tried it? Here's a duel I had testing out the proc reliability of skoria, doesn't seem bad right?

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Benn G x/video/26199081

DRXHarbinger

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

psychotic13

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

I agree Ilambris and grothdarr would be better for a PvE perspective, I mean for PvP though I should've mentioned that my bad.

With the non-crit nerf though I wonder how much damage it will deal post patch.

Asardes

Ilambris, Nerien'eth and Grothdarr are easier to avoid, Skoria homes in on the target. Unfortunately most sorc DoTs are ground based so they can also be gotten out of - curse is not a DoT and familiar can die - so the proc chance is lowered compared to PvE. If you use hardened ward a lot and fight from a distance Infernal Guardian may actually be better. It doesn't do much damage, but the mortars may make the enemy waste time and resources avoiding them. If you use a pet build probably dropping monster heads altogether for Nectopotence and another 5 piece set like Lich or Warlock.

DRXHarbinger

psychotic13 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

I agree Ilambris and grothdarr would be better for a PvE perspective, I mean for PvP though I should've mentioned that my bad.

With the non-crit nerf though I wonder how much damage it will deal post patch.

In pvp a solid 6k minus resistance. But the bonus is it can't be avoided. At siege or breach they never hear it.

psychotic13

Asardes wrote: »

Ilambris, Nerien'eth and Grothdarr are easier to avoid, Skoria homes in on the target. Unfortunately most sorc DoTs are ground based so they can also be gotten out of - curse is not a DoT and familiar can die - so the proc chance is lowered compared to PvE. If you use hardened ward a lot and fight from a distance Infernal Guardian may actually be better. It doesn't do much damage, but the mortars may make the enemy waste time and resources avoiding them. If you use a pet build probably dropping monster heads altogether for Nectopotence and another 5 piece set like Lich or Warlock.

My build is already finished, currently use x5 necropotence, x5 alchemist and x3 willpower I'm just seeing if I could get skoria to work as it's a great monster set.

Asardes

Well, another set that helps burst but ruins sustain is Molag Kena. One advantage of that for pet builds is that the pets will benefit from the spell damage, and their attacks cost nothing. Wearing Lich or Warlock with Kena can actually negate the drain on your magicka. And both proc at 1/3 magicka so they will proc when you still have enough, due to the boost from Necropotence. The boost from Kena is slightly lower than the one from Clever Alchemist, but consumes no potions, and Warlock/Lich sets bring more magicka and magicka regen instead of just health bonuses. The extra magicka compensates for the missing spell damage. Additionally, you can trigger Kena faster. You need to wait 45s to trigger another 15s buff from Clever Alchemist.

psychotic13

Asardes wrote: »

Well, another set that helps burst but ruins sustain is Molag Kena. One advantage of that for pet builds is that the pets will benefit from the spell damage, and their attacks cost nothing. Wearing Lich or Warlock with Kena can actually negate the drain on your magicka. And both proc at 1/3 magicka so they will proc when you still have enough, due to the boost from Necropotence. The boost from Kena is slightly lower than the one from Clever Alchemist, but consumes no potions, and Warlock/Lich sets bring more magicka and magicka regen instead of just health bonuses. The extra magicka compensates for the missing spell damage. Additionally, you can trigger Kena faster. You need to wait 45s to trigger another 15s buff from Clever Alchemist.

You know pets only scale from magicka and not spell damage too right? Kena is garbage it costs to much to sustain, and with me being a DW sorc proc'ing it isn't always as easy as I'd like. This thread isn't about my build it's fine and I destroy people with it, I'm just interested in if people have ever tried to use skoria on a magsorc to a good success

DRXHarbinger

What will you be dropping for Skoria? I'm just trying to figure your set up out.

psychotic13

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

What will you be dropping for Skoria? I'm just trying to figure your set up out.

Currently I'm running
X5 Necropotence (rings and x3body)
X5 alchemist (4 body and resto)
X3 willpower (DW and necklace)

To sustain I use magicka/magicka recovery food and rely on the health from alchemist and passives bringing me to around 21k health in cyrodil. I'm open to swapping a few things around i just want to use a monster set but it would leave me with 1 dead slot, unless I went back to destro.

DRXHarbinger

You're probably best of dropping willpower. It's the weaker of the 3 in terms of burst. But in reality skoria in pvp is worth what....2k dps..IF you manage the constant 5s proc rate. Not sure if willpower will cost you more than that if you drop it. It'll be close.

AzuraKin

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

llambris really isnt a good aoe monster proc. it only hits in 4m diameter. whereas grothdarr is 8m radius around player or a total of 16m diameter. on top of that you will have trouble keeping adds still in that small of a space that llambris hits.

DRXHarbinger

AzuraKin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

llambris really isnt a good aoe monster proc. it only hits in 4m diameter. whereas grothdarr is 8m radius around player or a total of 16m diameter. on top of that you will have trouble keeping adds still in that small of a space that llambris hits.

Illambris is widely known to be best in slot for a magsorc for pve.

NordSwordnBoard

Skoria required more dot skills than I wanted, and I found it was landing on dead guys a lot despite moving onto a new target.

The old dot proccing it can cause it to go to a guy with 1k health instead of who you want. This happens both pve and pvp.

Lord-Otto

Interesting.
I really wonder how ZOS program duration-based damage. Reminds me of Curse and Proxy Det being boosted by Thaumaturge. Ah, good times. Now it's only stabby stab and Radiant D...
xD

DeadlyRecluse

I'd be skeptical of overall uptime in PvP for a magsorc. Templars and magDKs keep enough dots on the player to more or less keep Skoria hitting on cooldown, so you can track the burst and try to time your play to it.

I'm not sure if I would have enough DoTs on magsorc to be as confident in it--but do a "dps" test using your pvp rotation, see what your proc frequency is.

psychotic13

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I'd be skeptical of overall uptime in PvP for a magsorc. Templars and magDKs keep enough dots on the player to more or less keep Skoria hitting on cooldown, so you can track the burst and try to time your play to it.

I'm not sure if I would have enough DoTs on magsorc to be as confident in it--but do a "dps" test using your pvp rotation, see what your proc frequency is.

There's too many variables to test it for proc frequency, at the moment I'm only using entropy and the Familiar as dots, but the Familiar has to be close to the enemy in able to proc it.

I currently have a dead slot on my backbar of abilitys, I kind of swap it all the time to whatever. Maybe if I use the fire rune morph which adds a DoT it could play out, although it's a terrible skill. If I went destro could use clench I think 3 DoTs is enough to proc skoria reliably.

DeadlyRecluse

psychotic13 wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I'd be skeptical of overall uptime in PvP for a magsorc. Templars and magDKs keep enough dots on the player to more or less keep Skoria hitting on cooldown, so you can track the burst and try to time your play to it.

I'm not sure if I would have enough DoTs on magsorc to be as confident in it--but do a "dps" test using your pvp rotation, see what your proc frequency is.

There's too many variables to test it for proc frequency, at the moment I'm only using entropy and the Familiar as dots, but the Familiar has to be close to the enemy in able to proc it.

I currently have a dead slot on my backbar of abilitys, I kind of swap it all the time to whatever. Maybe if I use the fire rune morph which adds a DoT it could play out, although it's a terrible skill. If I went destro could use clench I think 3 DoTs is enough to proc skoria reliably.

That's what worries me--what else could you really justify adding as a dot on a sorc?

On magplar I consistently have Sweeps, ritual of retribution, entropy--and less consistently enchant dots, vampire's bane, clench, radiant, etc. Sweeps and ritual of retribution alone keep it dropping extremely consistently in PvP.

Definitely worth playing around with! Let us know if you end up liking it

psychotic13

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I'd be skeptical of overall uptime in PvP for a magsorc. Templars and magDKs keep enough dots on the player to more or less keep Skoria hitting on cooldown, so you can track the burst and try to time your play to it.

I'm not sure if I would have enough DoTs on magsorc to be as confident in it--but do a "dps" test using your pvp rotation, see what your proc frequency is.

There's too many variables to test it for proc frequency, at the moment I'm only using entropy and the Familiar as dots, but the Familiar has to be close to the enemy in able to proc it.

I currently have a dead slot on my backbar of abilitys, I kind of swap it all the time to whatever. Maybe if I use the fire rune morph which adds a DoT it could play out, although it's a terrible skill. If I went destro could use clench I think 3 DoTs is enough to proc skoria reliably.

That's what worries me--what else could you really justify adding as a dot on a sorc?

On magplar I consistently have Sweeps, ritual of retribution, entropy--and less consistently enchant dots, vampire's bane, clench, radiant, etc. Sweeps and ritual of retribution alone keep it dropping extremely consistently in PvP.

Definitely worth playing around with! Let us know if you end up liking it

I'll try a few things later on and see how it goes

NordSwordnBoard

@psychotic13

Liquid Lightning or pool - not as good for pvp, but in siege or bridge bottlenecks helps the proc and range helps you pull people out of stealth near the enemy siege.

Wall of Elements same but less versatile

Destructive Reach/Clench has a dot and Master staves boost that skill a bit.

Also, I got it to proc from using only mages fury, so implosion or something else with lightning is in there, but not quite as reliable as a dot.

aLi3nZ

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

llambris really isnt a good aoe monster proc. it only hits in 4m diameter. whereas grothdarr is 8m radius around player or a total of 16m diameter. on top of that you will have trouble keeping adds still in that small of a space that llambris hits.

Illambris is widely known to be best in slot for a magsorc for pve.

Is there some more information you can link me to regarding this? I think I just got helm and shoulders last night actually so will give it a go. How do you think it will do in pvp?

psychotic13

aLi3nZ wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Skoria is good. But depends on targets. Single target like that is brilliant. It never misses.

Stacked adds and trash etc it's better to use grothdar or Illambris on them as deeps overall is much higher.

But certainly skoria is still really good. Taking a huge nerf soon. Current crit for 19k...all the way down to 12k max.

llambris really isnt a good aoe monster proc. it only hits in 4m diameter. whereas grothdarr is 8m radius around player or a total of 16m diameter. on top of that you will have trouble keeping adds still in that small of a space that llambris hits.

Illambris is widely known to be best in slot for a magsorc for pve.

Is there some more information you can link me to regarding this? I think I just got helm and shoulders last night actually so will give it a go. How do you think it will do in pvp?

In PvE it is the best for magsorc, for PvP it sucks cause you can just walk out of the effect and it's small radius