With magic becoming stronger and stronger each patch...

OOJIMMY

Why aren't there any posts yelling about how zos hates stamina and all they care for is Magic users.
I know I saw multiple posts about how stamina users were so much more favored by zos when we were getting some love.

NewBlacksmurf

Go to the PTS forums

andreasranasen

Magic becoming stronger? Mag sorcs been running the same build for quite some time now. Only "strong" skill/toy we've been given is Destro Ult. But that's about it. Nothing new.

As for gear, Infernal Guardian/Illambris.

Agobi

"With magic becoming stronger and stronger each patch"..

OK what did it miss?

LiquidSchwartz

andreasranasen wrote: »

Magic becoming stronger? Mag sorcs been running the same build for quite some time now. Only "strong" skill/toy we've been given is Destro Ult. But that's about it. Nothing new.

As for gear, Infernal Guardian/Illambris.

magsorc next patch has the highest dps out of all the classes mag and stam
check out alcasts videos on it he put up recently
and its like the easiest rotation IMO
soooooooooooooo so what if you still use scathing mage or bsw or twice born for the next 50 years
they still hit the hardest w a ez mode kit

but in your defense... mag sorcs have almost as bad sustain as magic dk

Sovaso

We all hates stamina, you know?

Rouven

No stamina to complain.

OOJIMMY

Maybe not in pvp as much but try doing endgame content on a stamina toon.

MythicEmperor

Magblades still suck. Sure, they suck less, but they will still suck.

luen79rwb17_ESO

I don't see any magicka build 1shotting people or facerolling bosses like several stam classes / builds do nowadays.

DragonBound

andreasranasen wrote: »

Magic becoming stronger? Mag sorcs been running the same build for quite some time now. Only "strong" skill/toy we've been given is Destro Ult. But that's about it. Nothing new.

As for gear, Infernal Guardian/Illambris.

They are talking about pts, stamina so far is left behind there is still more to come so we will see but magicka got big buffs through staffs and class skills so far.

kyle.wilson

Magsorc rotations aren't the easiest to sustain. That would be a stam sorc by far.
Magdk have an easier rotation with hith output as well, if done right.

Stam has never been shunned by ZOS, many of the best monster sets are geared towards stam.
The big difference is that stam is extremely bursty for most builds which lends itself more towards pvp, than the higher sustain of mag which is better for pve.

Before the steel tornado change I would average 30-40k dps unassisted while grinding (stam sorc). Which was higher than any mag build user I knew at the time.

Paneross

Ummmmmmm Stam can break CCs and roll dodge for days. You have your buff already.

idk

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Go to the PTS forums

@OOJIMMY

This is the answer since PTS forums is about what is on the PTS. There is a great idea thread about it there.

idk

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Go to the PTS forums

@OOJIMMY

This is the answer since PTS forums is about what is on the PTS. There is a great idea thread about it there.

OOJIMMY

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't see any magicka build 1shotting people or facerolling bosses like several stam classes / builds do nowadays.

I don't see a single stam class jumping in the middle of a group and wipe the majority.

Asmael

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't see any magicka build 1shotting people or facerolling bosses like several stam classes / builds do nowadays.

There was a C.Frag hitting for 25k crit coming with it, but didn't quite survive the first hit, if you see what I mean.

And I suggest you actually take a look at competitive groups, not random scrubs struggling to press more than 1 ability if you want a better overview of PvE balance.

Lashiing

so much stupid in this thread

GawdSB

I don't get why they keep nerfing the few things Stam has...

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Magsorc rotations aren't the easiest to sustain. That would be a stam sorc by far.
Magdk have an easier rotation with hith output as well, if done right.

Stam has never been shunned by ZOS, many of the best monster sets are geared towards stam.
The big difference is that stam is extremely bursty for most builds which lends itself more towards pvp, than the higher sustain of mag which is better for pve.

Before the steel tornado change I would average 30-40k dps unassisted while grinding (stam sorc). Which was higher than any mag build user I knew at the time.

lolwat

Mag Sorc is harder than Mag DK rotation? When? Where? How?

Sorc rotation is about as easy as they come.

andreasranasen

Asmael wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't see any magicka build 1shotting people or facerolling bosses like several stam classes / builds do nowadays.

There was a C.Frag hitting for 25k crit coming with it, but didn't quite survive the first hit, if you see what I mean.

And I suggest you actually take a look at competitive groups, not random scrubs struggling to press more than 1 ability if you want a better overview of PvE balance.

No one really uses Overload in PvP or PvE for that matter either (competitive content). Way too easy to dodge and block in PvP. + with the nerf coming to Overload no one will use it anymore at all. It's only good for a 3rd bar, but that's it.

Cpt_Teemo

Aren't they nerfing the stam sorcs?

Asmael

andreasranasen wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't see any magicka build 1shotting people or facerolling bosses like several stam classes / builds do nowadays.

There was a C.Frag hitting for 25k crit coming with it, but didn't quite survive the first hit, if you see what I mean.

And I suggest you actually take a look at competitive groups, not random scrubs struggling to press more than 1 ability if you want a better overview of PvE balance.

No one really uses Overload in PvP or PvE for that matter either (competitive content). Way too easy to dodge and block in PvP. + with the nerf coming to Overload no one will use it anymore at all. It's only good for a 3rd bar, but that's it.

It is but one example. You're underestimating the burst potential of magicka quite a bit my dear.

But for the sake of PvP, that's a good thing that not all builds are released to the public audience.

For PvE, granted, no one (sane) is really using it for the LA outside VMA.

ADarklore

Paneross wrote: »

Ummmmmmm Stam can break CCs and roll dodge for days. You have your buff already.

^This! See, this is what Stamina players don't get... or don't WANT to get... Stamina players don't need shields like Magicka players do because you can dodge roll multiple times or use Shuffle... it's much easier for a Stamina player to avoid damage while dishing out damage- this isn't the case so much for Magicka players. Magicka players NEED higher damage output to compensate for not being able to avoid damage as easily... so in a way, there is a balance. However, when you look at Leaderboards and such, obviously this is going to be reflected in Magicka doing more DPS... they need to. If they were to make damage equal, then it wouldn't be balanced because Magicka needs to invest more of their main resource pool in damage mitigation whereas Stamina players get damage mitigation in the ability to multiple roll dodge and shuffle.

Danksta

ADarklore wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Ummmmmmm Stam can break CCs and roll dodge for days. You have your buff already.

^This! See, this is what Stamina players don't get... or don't WANT to get... Stamina players don't need shields like Magicka players do because you can dodge roll multiple times or use Shuffle... it's much easier for a Stamina player to avoid damage while dishing out damage- this isn't the case so much for Magicka players. Magicka players NEED higher damage output to compensate for not being able to avoid damage as easily... so in a way, there is a balance. However, when you look at Leaderboards and such, obviously this is going to be reflected in Magicka doing more DPS... they need to. If they were to make damage equal, then it wouldn't be balanced because Magicka needs to invest more of their main resource pool in damage mitigation whereas Stamina players get damage mitigation in the ability to multiple roll dodge and shuffle.

Magic players can use shuffle too. Get stunned and you can use shuffle for next to nothing.

Nestor

The balance Pendulum swings both ways. And chasing the Meta is just a respec/regear evening.

SanTii.92

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Magic becoming stronger? Mag sorcs been running the same build for quite some time now. Only "strong" skill/toy we've been given is Destro Ult. But that's about it. Nothing new.

As for gear, Infernal Guardian/Illambris.

magsorc next patch has the highest dps out of all the classes mag and stam
check out alcasts videos on it he put up recently
and its like the easiest rotation IMO
soooooooooooooo so what if you still use scathing mage or bsw or twice born for the next 50 years
they still hit the hardest w a ez mode kit

but in your defense... mag sorcs have almost as bad sustain as magic dk

didn't knew alcast videos were the ultimate proof of evidence

ADarklore

Danksta wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Ummmmmmm Stam can break CCs and roll dodge for days. You have your buff already.

^This! See, this is what Stamina players don't get... or don't WANT to get... Stamina players don't need shields like Magicka players do because you can dodge roll multiple times or use Shuffle... it's much easier for a Stamina player to avoid damage while dishing out damage- this isn't the case so much for Magicka players. Magicka players NEED higher damage output to compensate for not being able to avoid damage as easily... so in a way, there is a balance. However, when you look at Leaderboards and such, obviously this is going to be reflected in Magicka doing more DPS... they need to. If they were to make damage equal, then it wouldn't be balanced because Magicka needs to invest more of their main resource pool in damage mitigation whereas Stamina players get damage mitigation in the ability to multiple roll dodge and shuffle.

Magic players can use shuffle too. Get stunned and you can use shuffle for next to nothing.

While this is true, using shuffle then depletes the already tiny Stamina pool to make sure that you cannot dodge roll, and Stamina regen on a Magicka character is abysmal.

lonewolf26

Try dodge rolling rakkhats's meteors, void bolts or running in the back room during that fight when the orbs bug out and become invisible.You'll see just how much of a disadvantage stamina builds have by not having a reliable, full-health shield as magicka builds do. Try nuking down mobs in AoE on a stamina toon, then try magicka. Magicka is far outclassing stamina right now in PvE for AoE damage. Next patch is shaping up to put magicka single target to a point comparable to stamina. Sad times inbound for stamina lovers.

Paneross

Danksta wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Ummmmmmm Stam can break CCs and roll dodge for days. You have your buff already.

^This! See, this is what Stamina players don't get... or don't WANT to get... Stamina players don't need shields like Magicka players do because you can dodge roll multiple times or use Shuffle... it's much easier for a Stamina player to avoid damage while dishing out damage- this isn't the case so much for Magicka players. Magicka players NEED higher damage output to compensate for not being able to avoid damage as easily... so in a way, there is a balance. However, when you look at Leaderboards and such, obviously this is going to be reflected in Magicka doing more DPS... they need to. If they were to make damage equal, then it wouldn't be balanced because Magicka needs to invest more of their main resource pool in damage mitigation whereas Stamina players get damage mitigation in the ability to multiple roll dodge and shuffle.

Magic players can use shuffle too. Get stunned and you can use shuffle for next to nothing.

And somehow break every CC and roll dodge? I think not.

Sigma957

Wasn't it too long ago that people were complaining that stamina had all the good toys to play with and were way over the top in performance?

magnusthorek

Pathetic... Stamina is being favored for months and when magicka gets a small course correction along with big nerfs to satiate PvP'ers whining and you come and say magicka is getting stronger just because Stamina didn't get much?