Help with Magicka DK build

Jayplay

I was tanking, found it super boring and I wanted to focus on pvp once I hit lvl 50 (I'm new to the game)

I was wondering if I could get some help on where to put my early CP points? and also primary bar and back bar (Im a dual weilder/destro staff rn) also wanting to know what attribute points i should set and should i focus on heavy armor or light armor and passive skills like guild lines etc

I've looked at guides etc, but all of it is end game content! Any help or tips is HUGELY appreciated.

Duragon_Darko

Ok,
..... are you still PvE or strictly PvP?
.... are you still tanking or are you dps?

scorpiodog

Jayplay wrote: »

I was tanking, found it super boring and I wanted to focus on pvp once I hit lvl 50 (I'm new to the game)

I was wondering if I could get some help on where to put my early CP points? and also primary bar and back bar (Im a dual weilder/destro staff rn) also wanting to know what attribute points i should set and should i focus on heavy armor or light armor and passive skills like guild lines etc

I've looked at guides etc, but all of it is end game content! Any help or tips is HUGELY appreciated.

There are a lot of Play styles in PvP. What do you want to be doing in PvP?

Duelling?
Small Group? ("Support/Heal" or "Front line/Attack" or "Invincible Tank Troll"?)
Solo?
Zerging?
Siege / Castle Defense?
IC "Capture the Flag"
Ganking?
AP Farming?

Your success in PvP will very much depend on matching your build to the role you want to play.

Jayplay

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

Ok,
..... are you still PvE or strictly PvP?
.... are you still tanking or are you dps?

I'm doing PVE/PVP i guess. Im DPS now.

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jayplay wrote: »

I was tanking, found it super boring and I wanted to focus on pvp once I hit lvl 50 (I'm new to the game)

I was wondering if I could get some help on where to put my early CP points? and also primary bar and back bar (Im a dual weilder/destro staff rn) also wanting to know what attribute points i should set and should i focus on heavy armor or light armor and passive skills like guild lines etc

I've looked at guides etc, but all of it is end game content! Any help or tips is HUGELY appreciated.

There are a lot of Play styles in PvP. What do you want to be doing in PvP?

Duelling?
Small Group? ("Support/Heal" or "Front line/Attack" or "Invincible Tank Troll"?)
Solo?
Zerging?
Siege / Castle Defense?
IC "Capture the Flag"
Ganking?
AP Farming?

Your success in PvP will very much depend on matching your build to the role you want to play.

I just wanna do cyrodill?

Jayplay

bump

Lashiing

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jayplay wrote: »

I was tanking, found it super boring and I wanted to focus on pvp once I hit lvl 50 (I'm new to the game)

I was wondering if I could get some help on where to put my early CP points? and also primary bar and back bar (Im a dual weilder/destro staff rn) also wanting to know what attribute points i should set and should i focus on heavy armor or light armor and passive skills like guild lines etc

I've looked at guides etc, but all of it is end game content! Any help or tips is HUGELY appreciated.

There are a lot of Play styles in PvP. What do you want to be doing in PvP?

Duelling?
Small Group? ("Support/Heal" or "Front line/Attack" or "Invincible Tank Troll"?)
Solo?
Zerging?
Siege / Castle Defense?
IC "Capture the Flag"
Ganking?
AP Farming?

Your success in PvP will very much depend on matching your build to the role you want to play.

Jayplay

Lashiing wrote: »

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jayplay wrote: »

I was tanking, found it super boring and I wanted to focus on pvp once I hit lvl 50 (I'm new to the game)

I was wondering if I could get some help on where to put my early CP points? and also primary bar and back bar (Im a dual weilder/destro staff rn) also wanting to know what attribute points i should set and should i focus on heavy armor or light armor and passive skills like guild lines etc

I've looked at guides etc, but all of it is end game content! Any help or tips is HUGELY appreciated.

There are a lot of Play styles in PvP. What do you want to be doing in PvP?

Duelling?
Small Group? ("Support/Heal" or "Front line/Attack" or "Invincible Tank Troll"?)
Solo?
Zerging?
Siege / Castle Defense?
IC "Capture the Flag"
Ganking?
AP Farming?

Your success in PvP will very much depend on matching your build to the role you want to play.

siege/castle defense

Zvorgin

Are you running dual wield for and stamina skills on one bar and magicka on the destro staff? Best to pick either stamina or magicka since the max stat pools impact damage.

As previous posters have said, build really should come down to play style so there are a lot of possibilities. If you want to do siege I recommend going heavy, your armor has no impact on the damage of your siege engines so might as well be more survivable.

Also, pvp will get much more fun when you hit cp 160 so you can at least start wearing end game gear. Lvl 50 to cp 160 goes extremely quickly.

AverageJo3Gam3r

MDK is hard mode for open world pvp. Expect to die. A lot. With that said, DW+destro is a fine setup. You'll want to be a vampire for the mist form ability. Really the only mobility that mDKs have.

Most mDKs run a sustain set and a dps set. So pick from:

Sustain sets (pick one): seducer, black rose, desert rose, tavas favor

Dps sets (pick one): burning spell weave, kagrenacs hope, silks of the sun, spinners

Monster sets (pick one): grothdar, valkyn skoria, bloodspawn

Trainee is getting nerfed so don't farm for that. Use tri stat food with the atronach mundus stone. Try to get all impenetrable on your gear. Stack magicka with your attributes. I've found the most success with heavy armor, but some mDKs like light armor.

For skills, try something like:
Front bar: burning talons, burning embers, flame lash, fossilize, deep breath, devouring swarm

Back bar: coagulating dragon blood, dampen magicka (shuffle if running tavas), elusive mist, volatile armor, structured entropy, eye of the storm.

MDKs need their ult for burst. So you'll play defensively until you get your destro ult. Then time a destro ult with a deep breath explosion+fossilize+grothdar proc with talons to keep them in the aoe. Use this as a template then adjust to your playstyle as you get comfortable.

For CPs, it's pretty standard for all magicka classes. Lookup a mDK pvp build video on YT for tips.

EldritchPenguin

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Sustain sets (pick one): seducer, black rose, desert rose, tavas favor

I've thought about Tava's Favor a fair bit, but I really have to wonder how to reliably activate the 5-piece bonus on it. How does a Magicka Dragonknight dodge attacks? We don't exactly have the Stamina to roll dodge or spam Shuffle.

Zvorgin

Lich is a powerhouse set for sustain and can be run with 2 pieces on the back bar. Initiate coagulating blood for a burst heal when low on magicka and then switch bars to Lich and proc the regen. Only downside is in PvP if you use mist form, that will block the regen from Lich.

Ishammael

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Sustain sets (pick one): seducer, black rose, desert rose, tavas favor

I've thought about Tava's Favor a fair bit, but I really have to wonder how to reliably activate the 5-piece bonus on it. How does a Magicka Dragonknight dodge attacks? We don't exactly have the Stamina to roll dodge or spam Shuffle.

Use shuffle. Don't spam it. Unchained+Battle Roar+Pots will give you more than enough stamina.

Calboy

I've been having an insanely good cyrodiil experience lately running with 19k stamina and black rose, with vigor or guard and shuffle. Plenty of stamina available and still plenty of damage. Will be switching my molten armaments morph to the one that gives weapon damage as well to boost vigor. At the moment it heals for over 8k for quite a reasonable stamina cost and will only increase when I change that morph.

EldritchPenguin

Ishammael wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Sustain sets (pick one): seducer, black rose, desert rose, tavas favor

I've thought about Tava's Favor a fair bit, but I really have to wonder how to reliably activate the 5-piece bonus on it. How does a Magicka Dragonknight dodge attacks? We don't exactly have the Stamina to roll dodge or spam Shuffle.

Use shuffle. Don't spam it. Unchained+Battle Roar+Pots will give you more than enough stamina.

Ah. Come to think of it, Shuffle actually does sound like a brilliant idea. Substantially improved durability on top of triggering extra ulti generation from Tava's, which gives stamina regeneration back as well. Time for me to go get some Rubedo...

Calboy wrote: »

I've been having an insanely good cyrodiil experience lately running with 19k stamina and black rose, with vigor or guard and shuffle. Plenty of stamina available and still plenty of damage. Will be switching my molten armaments morph to the one that gives weapon damage as well to boost vigor. At the moment it heals for over 8k for quite a reasonable stamina cost and will only increase when I change that morph.

Funny that the best self heal available to a Magicka Dragonknight is Vigor, a Stamina based heal. Just goes for show how crap Dragon Blood is right now...

Chadwikid

How come no one ever mentions shalks?

Its less ultimate gen than tavas for sure, but honestly tavas is a terrible set other than the 5 piece and it requires you to run shuffle which, unchained or not, when you are forced to block to survive, is a stamina drain.

Shalks set bonus are better, although the spell crit is a eh, and it doesn't require you to touch your stam. You can pair it with bloodspawn for super sustain or skoria, grothdar for more damage. I feel that it gives you exactly the ult gen that you need.

Its what I've been running and honestly haven't had this much success on my dk in I don't even know how long

EldritchPenguin

Chadwikid wrote: »

How come no one ever mentions shalks?

Its less ultimate gen than tavas for sure, but honestly tavas is a terrible set other than the 5 piece and it requires you to run shuffle which, unchained or not, when you are forced to block to survive, is a stamina drain.

Shalks set bonus are better, although the spell crit is a eh, and it doesn't require you to touch your stam. You can pair it with bloodspawn for super sustain or skoria, grothdar for more damage. I feel that it gives you exactly the ult gen that you need.

Its what I've been running and honestly haven't had this much success on my dk in I don't even know how long

I'd tried Shalk at one point, but I assumed it was terrible because I was doing terribly. Maybe I need to upgrade my set to purple and try again. That would sure as hell beat getting an entire Tava's set.

Although I can't say that Tava's has useless set bonuses. Tava's grants both Magicka and Stamina recovery, on top of health, which it shares with Shalk. Shalk provides no recovery beyond the permanent Minor Heroism. Between Mag and Stam recovery versus Spell Damage and Spell Crit, I'd say that's a bit of a wash.

Chadwikid

@EldritchPenguin

magicka recovery is always good although that single bonus wont really help a mDk much. stam regen is a useless bonus as you are forced to block to survive on a magicak dk...no stam regen while blocking. Health is always good which both sets have.

mDk suffer from sustain and damage issues simply because you are forced to spec so hard into one or the other. I feel that shalks gives you a very good balance of both. sustain and survivabilty, through battle roar, and damage through battle roar and a set damage bonus. At the same time it doesn't stress a very vital resource, your stam.

Just my thoughts. I have both and have run both and i prefer shalks as I feel its a better balance.

NBrookus

Chadwikid wrote: »

How come no one ever mentions shalks?

Its less ultimate gen than tavas for sure, but honestly tavas is a terrible set other than the 5 piece and it requires you to run shuffle which, unchained or not, when you are forced to block to survive, is a stamina drain.

Shalks set bonus are better, although the spell crit is a eh, and it doesn't require you to touch your stam. You can pair it with bloodspawn for super sustain or skoria, grothdar for more damage. I feel that it gives you exactly the ult gen that you need.

Its what I've been running and honestly haven't had this much success on my dk in I don't even know how long

I tried it, but it was too buggy for me. I would never get out of combat and had to walk everywhere... granted you start every fight with 1000 ult tho! I think Dragonguard is better overall.