Experimental build based on massive light attacks.

tunepunk

I was messing around with some build trying to push 10k dps only from light attacks. I'm not sure if will be any viable build, but it's mostly for experimentation. Currently I'm specced as high weapon damage as i can get and stamina. Around 4600 weapon damage when fully buffed. Sometimes i get weapon crits of from light attacks off at over 8K, now comes the fun part, of my transition.

* Switching to a 2H or DW with weapon Poison/disease enchants and Infused traits. Seems to give me more Light attack DPS in the long run, than higher Weapon damage, but losing about 400 weapon damage.

* Switching Hundings rage for Torug's pact further increases weapon procs and will net me more DPS, even though weapon damage goes down a about 400 more after buffs.

* Switching another set for Storm master or Noble Duelist's set, adds even more damage to light attacks, and I will only be losing around 150 weapon damage.

These small changes are getting me closer to 10k resource free DPS from light attacks at the moment.

Now.... going heavily for weapon procs, I wonder if switching most pieces from medium to light armor and magicka specced would do me better, and 2H / DW only as a carrier, since High Stamina doesn't really add much to light attacks, and all the procs will hit even harder from passives in light armor line, i suppose.

So, next step will be to optimize attribute points and champion points, to improve it further.
* Switching from stamina to magicka spec
* Switching all stamina based skills to magicka based skills. Doing a melee character with no weapon abilities.

Any ideas or suggestions on what to try next, or how to improve the light attack damage even further. I haven't measured exact DPS yet, and most gear for this test is blue, but so far I'm getting pretty close from my rough calculations.

But fun to try and play around with

Anyone else using magicka based Melee build?

Waffennacht

Seen heavy attack builds but not a light attack one.

I get the feeling it's going to be harder to do on magicka than stam, far easier to raise weapon damage than magicka damage, and the LAs are more heavily reliant on the dmg stat than resources, again anti magicka.

Berenhir

You can get the fire dmg enchant to proc every 1.x seconds on torugs+infused for nearly 6k as dunmer, prismatic for 10k non crit. Heavy lightning staffs splash damage should be help make it viable, light attacks not that much.

tunepunk

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seen heavy attack builds but not a light attack one.

I get the feeling it's going to be harder to do on magicka than stam, far easier to raise weapon damage than magicka damage, and the LAs are more heavily reliant on the dmg stat than resources, again anti magicka.

I stuck with stamina, as there were not many magicka skills i was interested in.

Current results for light attacks only, with 2h sword, and poison glyph. Numbers rounded to nearest hundred.

Light attacks non crit. 3600
Light attacks crit: 5300

Proc every second hit:
Non crit: 4100
On crit: 6400

At 50% crit chance average dps would be (counting approx 1 sec per swing)
Light attacks: 4450dps
Weapon proc: 2625dps
Total: 7075dps

At about 70% crit chance and with minor force and some champion point tweaks numbers were even better.

Light attack: non crit 3600, on crit 6000 - 5280dps
proc: Non crit: 4100 On crit: 6900 - 3030dps
total: 8310dps.

I'm gonna download some addon to see what actual numbers i get, and try DW with 2 procs instead, but so far it's looking good.

Stannum

Molag Kena full monster set obvious for this build

Btw lights are good for bow (as you do not need running) and it has great passive for lights.

yodased

elegent set 20% increase to light attack

tunepunk

Experiment update.

I tried the Storm Master set. Every time you crit on a heavy attack you get a light attack buff. With 80% crit chance, it was really easy to reach massive light attack damage, especially with dual wield, since one heavy attack counts as 2, so 1 heavy attack with dual wield will give you 2 x 20 seconds buffs from Storm Master ... The cool thing was that they stack... So 2-3-4 heavy attacks in succession will buff your light attacks with up to 10-12000 damage, per light attack.

So with this setup i managed to buff light attacks to doing approximately 15-20K per hit, and that's not counting the poisoned/disease procs.

With this setup i managed to kill Mammoths in Wrothgar in about 4 seconds, not using any bar skills at all.

Here's a clip of one of my first tests with the set. 2 heavy attacks followed by light attacks... that's all. And this test is with mostly blue gear.

[.video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vdeYF6yZA4[/video.]

Reorx_Holybeard

Neat! Although if Storm Master really does stack with itself it sounds like a bug so enjoy it while you can.

tunepunk

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Neat! Although if Storm Master really does stack with itself it sounds like a bug so enjoy it while you can.

I doubt it's a bug, but you never know. It doesn't seem overpowered though, it's just a different playstyle. Using heavy attacks to charge it up, takes some time and really high crit rate, where you could be casting skills instead. So it's still hard to outperform weaving/stacking dot skills, but adds neat single target damage, without having to bar-swap much.

And you have to sacrifice a lot of penetration and other stuff in order to get crit chance high enough to make the set useful.

Toast_STS

tunepunk wrote: »

Experiment update.

I tried the Storm Master set. Every time you crit on a heavy attack you get a light attack buff. With 80% crit chance, it was really easy to reach massive light attack damage, especially with dual wield, since one heavy attack counts as 2, so 1 heavy attack with dual wield will give you 2 x 20 seconds buffs from Storm Master ... The cool thing was that they stack... So 2-3-4 heavy attacks in succession will buff your light attacks with up to 10-12000 damage, per light attack.

So with this setup i managed to buff light attacks to doing approximately 15-20K per hit, and that's not counting the poisoned/disease procs.

With this setup i managed to kill Mammoths in Wrothgar in about 4 seconds, not using any bar skills at all.

Here's a clip of one of my first tests with the set. 2 heavy attacks followed by light attacks... that's all. And this test is with mostly blue gear.

cool!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

SodanTok

Are you running with max CP for that max <weapon of choice> light attack damage + physical damage with passive that increases damage to low HP enemies?

Also running bow, you could stack hawk eye (well, I actually have no idea if it affects bow light attacks). Wouldnt by in any way stronger than what you do now, but stacking storm master sounds just like a bug.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

How is type of build relevant? If he (somehow) creates light attack build performing better than average is he still not allowed to join groupfinder by your standards?

Lexxypwns

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Are you running with max CP for that max <weapon of choice> light attack damage + physical damage with passive that increases damage to low HP enemies?

Also running bow, you could stack hawk eye (well, I actually have no idea if it affects bow light attacks). Wouldnt by in any way stronger than what you do now, but stacking storm master sounds just like a bug.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

How is type of build relevant? If he (somehow) creates light attack build performing better than average is he still not allowed to join groupfinder by your standards?

10k dps is far far far below average

SodanTok

Lexxypwns wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Are you running with max CP for that max <weapon of choice> light attack damage + physical damage with passive that increases damage to low HP enemies?

Also running bow, you could stack hawk eye (well, I actually have no idea if it affects bow light attacks). Wouldnt by in any way stronger than what you do now, but stacking storm master sounds just like a bug.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

How is type of build relevant? If he (somehow) creates light attack build performing better than average is he still not allowed to join groupfinder by your standards?

10k dps is far far far below average

Where have I said anything that it is. There is very obvious IF preceeding my sentence.

Lexxypwns

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Are you running with max CP for that max <weapon of choice> light attack damage + physical damage with passive that increases damage to low HP enemies?

Also running bow, you could stack hawk eye (well, I actually have no idea if it affects bow light attacks). Wouldnt by in any way stronger than what you do now, but stacking storm master sounds just like a bug.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

How is type of build relevant? If he (somehow) creates light attack build performing better than average is he still not allowed to join groupfinder by your standards?

10k dps is far far far below average

Where have I said anything that it is. There is very obvious IF preceeding my sentence.

I didn't mean to imply you did. I'm just using his goal number as a way of disqualifying this build

akredon_ESO

Ya know @tunepunk its funny you bring this up i was actually thinking about making a light attack build too xD

tunepunk

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

Why? I soloed veteran tempest island up to last boss with this build.. did 2 vet pledges grouped today did around 40k dps most times. according to stats did 50% of the dps in a 4 man group of Guildies.

tunepunk

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I didn't mean to imply you did. I'm just using his goal number as a way of disqualifying this build

My fist goal was to reach 10k dps with ONLY light attacks. I made that goal.

Then I managed to push 20k with only light attacks, thanks to storm master.

So now my setup is.
5 piece Torug's pact.
5 piece Storm master
2 Piece Iceheart set. I like the area damage and shield is up almost constantly, saving my behinds when farming vet dungeons solo.

2x daggers with infused trait.
Bow on second bar.

20k from light attacks ONLY.
Not counting, Arrow barrage, Hurricane, Rearming trap, ultimate. In right conditions doing around 40k dps.

Completely out of resources I can still push out those 20k from light attacks.

tunepunk

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Are you running with max CP for that max <weapon of choice> light attack damage + physical damage with passive that increases damage to low HP enemies?

Also running bow, you could stack hawk eye (well, I actually have no idea if it affects bow light attacks). Wouldnt by in any way stronger than what you do now, but stacking storm master sounds just like a bug.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

How is type of build relevant? If he (somehow) creates light attack build performing better than average is he still not allowed to join groupfinder by your standards?

I havn't really gotten to max this build yet. CP i'm at 470 something, and a little bit here and there. Not optimized for this build yet too see what works better.

I have bow on second bar. If i have to dodge red circles in boss fights i switch to bow and do almost same as dw damage. Storm master buff is still on for bow light attacks, they get charged too.

On second bar i keep dots.. endless hail, poison arrow, rearming trap etc.

tunepunk

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Ya know @tunepunk its funny you bring this up i was actually thinking about making a light attack build too xD

Do it, you can get pretty decent dps... completely resource free, i bet that will be good for pvp.

Check the video i posted earlier.

Drazorious

I'm working on a similar build but I'm trying kena, briarheart, and storm master

Oreyn_Bearclaw

tunepunk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

Why? I soloed veteran tempest island up to last boss with this build.. did 2 vet pledges grouped today did around 40k dps most times. according to stats did 50% of the dps in a 4 man group of Guildies.

@tunepunk
Your post seemed to indicate that you were getting around 10k. If you are getting 40k parses, awesome, but that ain't a light attack build. That's a rotation with a light weave which pretty much everyone already does.

I am always interested in theorycrafting. Perhaps some damage recaps from Combat Metrics or FTC might shed some light on what you are talking about.

tunepunk

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Please don't join groupfinder with a light attack build...

Why? I soloed veteran tempest island up to last boss with this build.. did 2 vet pledges grouped today did around 40k dps most times. according to stats did 50% of the dps in a 4 man group of Guildies.

@tunepunk
Your post seemed to indicate that you were getting around 10k. If you are getting 40k parses, awesome, but that ain't a light attack build. That's a rotation with a light weave which pretty much everyone already does.

I am always interested in theorycrafting. Perhaps some damage recaps from Combat Metrics or FTC might shed some light on what you are talking about.

Yeah but the build is based on buffing light attacks. Right now I get up to 15-20k resource free dps only from light attacks. Of course I'm still using skills but not so dependant on them and don't have to manage resources as much.

That's why I called it build based on massive light attacks. But still weaving in other stuff, in between the light attacks.

tunepunk

Still working on the build and trying new stuff.

According to Combat metrics, about 70% of my outgoing damage was from the procs and those were non physical, so changed back to light armor instead, as the increased weapon damage from medium armor line had les effect on the damage than the penetration from light armor passive.

Regular light attacks are now doing a bit less - about 3-4k dps.
Both weapon procs are doing about 7-9k dps total. Up to as high as 9k per hit.
Storm master up to as high as 12k dps, when charged a couple of times. 1 storm master proc adds 2880 per crit, and each successful heavy attack crit with DW will add 2 of those to every light attack for 20 seconds.

I'm not sure if Storm Master Buff will lose the chance to crit in the next update, that means i will be losing some DPS from this set, but i think it can still be viable if I can get spell penetration up a bit further.

Currently doing up to 20-25k dps weaving ONLY light attacks on a single target (after charging weapons a few heavy attacks).

I'm still using steel tornado for AE as it carries the weapon procs. The net damage output is still higher though (because of the procs), even if I lost a bit of weapon damage and stamina.

Things left to do:

Raising Crit chance. Since i lost some weapon crit chance (from 81% to 75%) from going to light armor instead of medium, i need to raise that a bit further again to make sure heavy attacks proc the Storm master buff more reliably. Still using mostly blue gear with divines, so Increasing all gear to yellow, and upgrading jewlery to purple, could possibly get me back up to 80% weapon crit chance.

Increasing penetration
I have 2 slots left where my Monster set used to go (currently unused) So looking what monster set's would fit this build. I didn't find any that increased spell penetration and weapon crit chance, some maybe some neat proc, that takes advantage of the spell penetration passive from light armor passive. I'm thinking about Divines Iceheart for a little AOE damage and keep me safe. It will be kept up almost constantly because all crits, and save me because it's squishy build in melee range.

Cronopoly

tunepunk wrote: »

Still working on the build and trying new stuff.

According to Combat metrics, about 70% of my outgoing damage was from the procs and those were non physical, so changed back to light armor instead, as the increased weapon damage from medium armor line had les effect on the damage than the penetration from light armor passive.

Regular light attacks are now doing a bit less - about 3-4k dps.
Both weapon procs are doing about 7-9k dps total. Up to as high as 9k per hit.
Storm master up to as high as 12k dps, when charged a couple of times. 1 storm master proc adds 2880 per crit, and each successful heavy attack crit with DW will add 2 of those to every light attack for 20 seconds.

I'm not sure if Storm Master Buff will lose the chance to crit in the next update, that means i will be losing some DPS from this set, but i think it can still be viable if I can get spell penetration up a bit further.

Currently doing up to 20-25k dps weaving ONLY light attacks on a single target (after charging weapons a few heavy attacks).

I'm still using steel tornado for AE as it carries the weapon procs. The net damage output is still higher though (because of the procs), even if I lost a bit of weapon damage and stamina.

Things left to do:

Raising Crit chance. Since i lost some weapon crit chance (from 81% to 75%) from going to light armor instead of medium, i need to raise that a bit further again to make sure heavy attacks proc the Storm master buff more reliably. Still using mostly blue gear with divines, so Increasing all gear to yellow, and upgrading jewlery to purple, could possibly get me back up to 80% weapon crit chance.

Increasing penetration
I have 2 slots left where my Monster set used to go (currently unused) So looking what monster set's would fit this build. I didn't find any that increased spell penetration and weapon crit chance, some maybe some neat proc, that takes advantage of the spell penetration passive from light armor passive. I'm thinking about Divines Iceheart for a little AOE damage and keep me safe. It will be kept up almost constantly because all crits, and save me because it's squishy build in melee range.

Were you able to confirm if the 5 piece of Storm Master still crits? Any update on your build as well? I've got a Inventory full of Stormmaster on my Stam Sorc so interested to see how it's going.

DragonBound

Cronopoly wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

Still working on the build and trying new stuff.

According to Combat metrics, about 70% of my outgoing damage was from the procs and those were non physical, so changed back to light armor instead, as the increased weapon damage from medium armor line had les effect on the damage than the penetration from light armor passive.

Regular light attacks are now doing a bit less - about 3-4k dps.
Both weapon procs are doing about 7-9k dps total. Up to as high as 9k per hit.
Storm master up to as high as 12k dps, when charged a couple of times. 1 storm master proc adds 2880 per crit, and each successful heavy attack crit with DW will add 2 of those to every light attack for 20 seconds.

I'm not sure if Storm Master Buff will lose the chance to crit in the next update, that means i will be losing some DPS from this set, but i think it can still be viable if I can get spell penetration up a bit further.

Currently doing up to 20-25k dps weaving ONLY light attacks on a single target (after charging weapons a few heavy attacks).

I'm still using steel tornado for AE as it carries the weapon procs. The net damage output is still higher though (because of the procs), even if I lost a bit of weapon damage and stamina.

Things left to do:

Raising Crit chance. Since i lost some weapon crit chance (from 81% to 75%) from going to light armor instead of medium, i need to raise that a bit further again to make sure heavy attacks proc the Storm master buff more reliably. Still using mostly blue gear with divines, so Increasing all gear to yellow, and upgrading jewlery to purple, could possibly get me back up to 80% weapon crit chance.

Increasing penetration
I have 2 slots left where my Monster set used to go (currently unused) So looking what monster set's would fit this build. I didn't find any that increased spell penetration and weapon crit chance, some maybe some neat proc, that takes advantage of the spell penetration passive from light armor passive. I'm thinking about Divines Iceheart for a little AOE damage and keep me safe. It will be kept up almost constantly because all crits, and save me because it's squishy build in melee range.

Were you able to confirm if the 5 piece of Storm Master still crits? Any update on your build as well? I've got a Inventory full of Stormmaster on my Stam Sorc so interested to see how it's going.

Me to.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

Doesn't stack anymore, does it?