PS4 con trade guilds

Turkeysammich

I've played on PC for a while, and made the switch to PS4, and trade guilds there are freaking expensive, I don't buy gold, I can't afford that crap. 5k a week in dues, with or without a trader, I'd have to stop playing the story and stick strictly to trying to make gold, , and most of the time they don't even try to get a trader. On PC the basic trade guild is 2k dues, with a trader, sell 2k worth of stuff, or buy lottery tickets, and they didn't try to con you, there's none of that on PS4 that I've noticed, and when I see a trade guild message, I jump at the chance hoping that it's not a con.The trade guilds work on PC, but the PS4 community isn't mature enough to handle it. We need an Auction House, or at least 3 different traders, one in each faction's starting area, that allows anyone to post items for sell, at least until they can afford the weekly fees of a real trade guild.

Turkeysammich

Forgot to mention, on PS4 they don't allow new members to post in the guild store, unless you pay the 5k fee, I've been in a ton of trade guilds on PC, never once were new members restricted.

Volrion

That's not true at all. There are plenty of free trading guilds on PS4 NA.

Mentioning that we're too immature to have guild traders because you're unable to find one gave me a good chuckle, though. So thanks for that

Cadbury

I'm in two trade guilds that don't charge weekly fees...j/s

Prof_Bawbag

I've encountered 3 such guilds on PS4 and all with their weekly demanding messages. However, 3/3 of those guilds are always more or less in one of the 4 busiest trading hubs. (Mournhold, Elden Root, that one in Reapers March and Wayrest). I got kicked from one as I refused to put any gold into the bank because they were very arrogant the way they went about threatening people with removal. In fact, that very guild advertises for members on this very site and makes zero mention that a 5k donation is compulsory. The other two, I'm still with because they don't go around threatening people on a daily basis with removal and making thinly veiled derogatory comments at those who don't cough up. I pay into them weekly because i want to, not because I'm threatened to do so (although they do remove non contributors)

The way i see it, they're doing us a favour and on this I can only speak on behalf of myself, but I need them more than they need me as they allow me to shift high amounts of items without me having to spam text chat in the hope someone wants to barter. In other words, they take all the ballache out of selling. The least i can do is support them.

Edit: I'm also assuming obtaining very good traders on a regular basis is more expensive on consoles due to everything else being more expensive on consoles.

akl77

5k is average, top guilds now asking 10k weekly.

Cadbury

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I've encountered 3 such guilds on PS4 and all with their weekly demanding messages. However, 3/3 of those guilds are always more or less in one of the 4 busiest trading hubs. (Mournhold, Elden Root, that one in Reapers March and Wayrest). I got kicked from one as I refused to put any gold into the bank because they were very arrogant the way they went about threatening people with removal. In fact, that very guild advertises for members on this very site and makes zero mention that a 5k donation is compulsory. The other two, I'm still with because they don't go around threatening people on a daily basis with removal and making thinly veiled derogatory comments at those who don't cough up. I pay into them weekly because i want to, not because I'm threatened to do so (although they do remove non contributors)

The way i see it, they're doing us a favour and on this I can only speak on behalf of myself, but I need them more than they need me as they allow me to shift high amounts of items without me having to spam text chat in the hope someone wants to barter. In other words, they take all the ballache out of selling. The least i can do is support them.

Edit: I'm also assuming obtaining very good traders on a regular basis is more expensive on consoles due to everything else being more expensive on consoles.

The guilds that do charge 5 - 10k a week do so because they often control the choicest prime traders in high traffic areas like Wayrest, Rawl'kha, Elden Root, etc. And yeah, it's like 3 to 4 different guilds whos names you'll come across if you looking into the PS4 trader scene.

FloppyTouch

Great thing about guild traders on console is you need them anymore I can make plenty of gold selling stuff in zone chat and starting bid wars to up the price a little. I'm in 2 guild traders that have spots in prime areas and it's nice and all but I don't pay dues.

Nuntjako

I'm on PS4 EU and your experience is not my experience at all. I think you've had a bad experience and are now generalising. My guild offers a trader without any cost to members. I have been in several trade guilds with good traders where you could donate if you want to. The top traders demand 5K a week. But if you skip a donation or two nothing happens, especially if you have donated for a few weeks.

Prof_Bawbag

Cadbury wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I've encountered 3 such guilds on PS4 and all with their weekly demanding messages. However, 3/3 of those guilds are always more or less in one of the 4 busiest trading hubs. (Mournhold, Elden Root, that one in Reapers March and Wayrest). I got kicked from one as I refused to put any gold into the bank because they were very arrogant the way they went about threatening people with removal. In fact, that very guild advertises for members on this very site and makes zero mention that a 5k donation is compulsory. The other two, I'm still with because they don't go around threatening people on a daily basis with removal and making thinly veiled derogatory comments at those who don't cough up. I pay into them weekly because i want to, not because I'm threatened to do so (although they do remove non contributors)

The way i see it, they're doing us a favour and on this I can only speak on behalf of myself, but I need them more than they need me as they allow me to shift high amounts of items without me having to spam text chat in the hope someone wants to barter. In other words, they take all the ballache out of selling. The least i can do is support them.

Edit: I'm also assuming obtaining very good traders on a regular basis is more expensive on consoles due to everything else being more expensive on consoles.

The guilds that do charge 5 - 10k a week do so because they often control the choicest prime traders in high traffic areas like Wayrest, Rawl'kha, Elden Root, etc. And yeah, it's like 3 to 4 different guilds whos names you'll come across if you looking into the PS4 trader scene.

Yup. The 2 large guilds that I am still in advertise each others guilds within their messages and 2 of the largest contributors tend to be the GMs from the other guild. The 3rd i was kicked from was also connected to the 2 large guilds I'm in.

Turkeysammich

4 I've joined, didn't have a trader at all, and demanded the 5k fee, and didn't allow new members to sell at all, so I assume they were trying to con people. On PC 5k was for the good trade guilds, yet 5k seems to be the average of any that I have joined. After quitting those I joined one after the other all basically the same, the ONE guild that was worth anything, kicked me because I went on Christmas vacation, even after I gave them notice, AND donated 2k when I didn't have to. So no, my opinion on the PS4 trade community isn't very good, it looks like most others feel that way too, with all the spam of people just listing items for sell in chat all day.

Nuntjako

Turkeysammich wrote: »

4 I've joined, didn't have a trader at all, and demanded the 5k fee, and didn't allow new members to sell at all, so I assume they were trying to con people. On PC 5k was for the good trade guilds, yet 5k seems to be the average of any that I have joined. After quitting those I joined one after the other all basically the same, the ONE guild that was worth anything, kicked me because I went on Christmas vacation, even after I gave them notice, AND donated 2k when I didn't have to. So no, my opinion on the PS4 trade community isn't very good, it looks like most others feel that way too, with all the spam of people just listing items for sell in chat all day.

Is this on PS4 NA? Because this is simply not the case on PS4 EU

Tabbycat

Start up your own trade guild? It might take a while to gather enough members and gold to get a trader but you'd be able to set your own fee requirements.

snakester320

To start I firmly believe traders are stupid there Should be a global auction house full stop!!
That said I've been in free trader guilds and payed ones and well seriously if you can't make 5 - 10 k in a week your asking to much for your crap.. but it's all based on location busy areas are going to make big dollars empty areas are for ppl looking for either bargains or bargains to resell in busy areas .. one I'm in charge 10k but I made my payment back and more ..sadly free trader guilds cannot maintain there busy spots hardly ever!!
This is why I hate the idea of traders it constantly rewards the guilds willing to throw big dollars to bid every week while small guilds can't stay alive as ppl want to sell and its forcing ppl to flock to bigger guilds with constant traders to make money.. so it ruins both the guild and there member amount!!
Argue with me all you want But ppl consistently white knight this silly system and are usually the ones charging there members for traders because they can sell the most stuff while the little unknown guild that doesn't charge has a trader under ground in a sh.tty location and lucky to sell enough to make fees for the next week!

Tan9oSuccka

5K does stink, but it gets worse. Most prime guilds are at 10K in weekly dues.

You should see some of the bank deposit history for some guilds. Interesting, one guy depositing 1, 500 fortified nirncrux etc. Pretty shady stuff going on if you look at the ledger.

Such a broken system. Guilds in cahoots with each other, botting, pricing others out etc.

Tabbycat

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

5K does stink, but it gets worse. Most prime guilds are at 10K in weekly dues.

You should see some of the bank deposit history for some guilds. Interesting, one guy depositing 1, 500 fortified nirncrux etc. Pretty shady stuff going on if you look at the ledger.

Such a broken system. Guilds in cahoots with each other, botting, pricing others out etc.

Trade Guild cartels? It doesn't surprise me.

snakester320

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Great thing about guild traders on console is you need them anymore I can make plenty of gold selling stuff in zone chat and starting bid wars to up the price a little. I'm in 2 guild traders that have spots in prime areas and it's nice and all but I don't pay dues.

Traders are needed sadly because the chat is always spammed out with so much sh.t trying to be sold then there's the make me a offer arses knowing full well what the item is worth just trying to rip that little extra out of ppl ..
I don't want to spend 5 hours spamming crap in chat when I can be doing other things !!
So I slap it in the trader and job done!

Skinzz

I pay a total of 20k in dues for 2 prime locaton traders. May seem like a lot to some of you but i easily make 100-300k+ a week so i have no complaints.

GreenhaloX

Turkeysammich wrote: »

I've played on PC for a while, and made the switch to PS4, and trade guilds there are freaking expensive, I don't buy gold, I can't afford that crap. 5k a week in dues, with or without a trader, I'd have to stop playing the story and stick strictly to trying to make gold, , and most of the time they don't even try to get a trader. On PC the basic trade guild is 2k dues, with a trader, sell 2k worth of stuff, or buy lottery tickets, and they didn't try to con you, there's none of that on PS4 that I've noticed, and when I see a trade guild message, I jump at the chance hoping that it's not a con.The trade guilds work on PC, but the PS4 community isn't mature enough to handle it. We need an Auction House, or at least 3 different traders, one in each faction's starting area, that allows anyone to post items for sell, at least until they can afford the weekly fees of a real trade guild.

Nice that certain PC guilds are only charging 2k. I don't play PC, so I cannot debate that, but I can't seem to brush off the feeling that guild stores within PC are run no differently than on consoles (PS4 or Xbox.) With so many guilds and you're only limited to five (at least, on PS4), I'm sure there are guilds within the PC world that do charge more. Like other said, there are numerous guilds within the PS4 community that do not charge any weekly fees, and there are those charging anyway from 4k-10k a week. I have heard rumors that certain may be charging 20k a week. Well, having been on ESO via PS4 going on a year now and have ran into numerous guilds, I haven't seen any with 20-something k weekly fee. However, those free guilds do seem to have a harder time in raising funds for the weekly bidding (for higher traffic areas), versus those guilds that have secure funding from the weekly fees. Besides, most free guilds are not "really" free. They still tap you constantly for donations and fees for raffles. So, you can actually spend more gold towards the donations and/or raffles.

Again, I don't play on PC, so don't quote me, but I have the feeling that guild stores/traders operation are similar. Most guilds (on PS4, at least) that charge 5k or 10k a week do so in order to secure enough funding to make a competitive bid for the weekly trader in a high traffic area or capital. I don't agree that a guild should be charging 10k a week, and that has just been recently implemented in the start of this new year. Well, it is the combo of a blind bidding and guilds' own doing. In order to secure a spot in a high traffic capital area, each GM would keep throwing in more and more gold each week, thus, in turn causes the bid to increase throughout the years.

The other thing.. where you posted "The trade guilds work on PC, but the PS4 community isn't mature enough to handle it." This is baseless as saying "all you people playing on PC are all cheaters" (because you can download/install CE on PC and not really on consoles, and there are many youtube clips and post/forum of cheaters on PC.) I'm not debating that it doesn't work on PC, but it works just as fine on PS4.

This, I can attest to.. people are people. It doesn't matter who plays on PC, PS4 or Xbox. It is gamers' dynamic. There are all kinds of people playing games from all background and walks of life. You will have mature folks, positive and team players, but also the immature, not so positive "elitists", the cons, and some are outright nasty and toxic (stay on zone text chats in Craglorn for a spell.) I am sure it is the same on PC. You may just have not been on PS4 that long and may just ran into certain not so positive guilds. Yes, there are those on PS4, but I'm sure there are those on PC as well. I'm usually on 5 guilds, mostly for trade stores. Half "free" and half charging, and so far, seems to be quite positive guilds.

mb10

Turkeysammich wrote: »

Forgot to mention, on PS4 they don't allow new members to post in the guild store, unless you pay the 5k fee, I've been in a ton of trade guilds on PC, never once were new members restricted.

well thats BS LOL anyone can sell of the guildstore??

Hawco10

I make more gold using zone text chat now than when I was in a trading guild. No fees, quick sales and then back to the game.
Simple.

GreenhaloX

Hawco10 wrote: »

I make more gold using zone text chat now than when I was in a trading guild. No fees, quick sales and then back to the game.
Simple.

Ha ha.. there are more cons (not saying you are) on zone text chats. Selling on zone text chats and on guild stores are like used cars sales. Selling on guild stores is like CarMax (those who do know what CarMax is). The prices are set, no haggling or griping; if you don't like it, then move on. Selling/buying on zone text chats are like the normal/typical used cars salesman. You may encounter a good deal or get ripped off where you are least aware of it.. and yes, I'm sure the typical used cars salesman make much more money that those at CarMax. Like going to any typical used cars sale places.. good luck to you, on zone text chat deals!

Danksta

Auction House? So that these people out there with millions upon millions of gold can buy up all the tempering alloys and charge double what they were going for? I don't know about you but I don't want to buy tempering alloys for 30k+.

Hawco10

I 99% of the time use cod. Where the risk in that? Gulf traders are a rip off pure and simple. Check the guild prices then find the same thing in zone chat much cheaper. I've never once been ripped off because I use cod.

Takes-No-Prisoner

SourishWhale wrote: »

That's not true at all. There are plenty of free trading guilds on PS4 NA.

Mentioning that we're too immature to have guild traders because you're unable to find one gave me a good chuckle, though. So thanks for that

^^^

I paid a small fee to my trading guild so I wouldn't get kicked after 5 consecutive inactive days. Then when I had money I wasn't using I put in 50,000 so I got put on a list where I couldn't be kicked for 20 consecutive inactive days. All one time donations, no additional fees unless you want to help contribute more. Guild is run really well and GM is very active and involved.

KingYogi415

5k a week is nothing.

If your making a mill sales a week they won't even ask for it.

Go back to PC.

PhxOldGamer68

The trader guild I'm in asked for 5K to trade, but no weekly dues. We get a trader in the heavy traffic areas Wayrest, Elden Root or Mournhold every week.

Just like in real-life, you have to shop around and look for deals. I don't like trading over chat. I go around to all the guild traders and look for the best prices.

I've geared 8 characters using guild traders, usually for 20K or less on 2 sets of 5 pieces. I don't run dungeons or trials, just PVP and PVP rewards are not great. When Vicious Death first dropped in PVP, you had to pay 100K for rare purple pieces. I've found every piece for 5K or less now.

Many players don't realize the value of their piece, so I look for that bargain...and I always do.

Darth_Savage

5k a week is super easy to make man, deconstruct and sell mats you don't need, sell alchemy reagents, I pay 4k a week for my guild on ps4. I started playing 2 weeks ago, so that's 8k, I had 30k when I signed on with the guild, now I have 140k, that's not even me going out of my way to make money, so ummm, if I can do it anyone can bro!