Returning Stamblade - A Whole New Set

Swainyboy

Looking through the new changes to the loot system and drops, I'm looking towards a new set for my Stamblade. Any ideas on a good stam set for crit/dagger DW builds?
Currently using Hundings 5 PC, Agility 3PC and Maw Of Infernal 2 PC.

ascafuin

Well i was thinking of crafting or farming different sets.

Currently i am running with 5 spriggans , 4 morkuldin, 2 velidreth , it is a 2H/ Bow build.

Maybe 5 spriggans ( 3 jewellery+ 2 daggers ) , 5 viper"s sting , 2 Velidreth for a full ganking build

Spriggan is farmed in Bangkorai ( http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spriggan's+Thorns+Set )

Viper"s Sting is found in Fungal Grotto ( http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Viper's+Sting+Set )

And velidreth is found in Cradle of Shadows, DLC dungeon . ( http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Velidreth+Set )

However, I like to have sustain so i prefer my sets to have both sustain and damage.

I tried Bone pirate's tatters, it is a great set for sustain but it is bugged . (http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Bone+Pirate's+Tatters+Set )

I believe you can check various sets from the link i provided.

Good luck and have fun.

Jaiden

Spriggans + hulking draugr is pretty nice.

Lashiing

top atm is vo/alk + sprig/tbs + kraugh/veli/selene + ma
you should start with 5 hund, 5 sprig, 2 monster/agil and build up from there

Swainyboy

That Sprig set looks rather good. Think i might invest into that. Thanks guys

Standard

Lashiing wrote: »

top atm is vo/alk + sprig/tbs + kraugh/veli/selene + ma
you should start with 5 hund, 5 sprig, 2 monster/agil and build up from there

What is ALK?

AzuraKin

a lot depends on group makeup, your playstyle, and if its pve/pvp. and to be honest, dont be afraid to do your own build. like me, i thinking of trying a ww build for pvp. wont say what cause i dont want people to know if it works great.

Izaki

Lashiing wrote: »

top atm is vo/alk + sprig/tbs + kraugh/veli/selene + ma
you should start with 5 hund, 5 sprig, 2 monster/agil and build up from there

Spriggan? Wtf lol? No. Twice-Fanged Serpent. 1k extra penetration and a crit bonus.

Selene is also meh in PvE. Stormfist (IMO the strongest stam monster set because it scales with both Thaum and Mighty).

Izaki

Standard wrote: »

Lashiing wrote: »

top atm is vo/alk + sprig/tbs + kraugh/veli/selene + ma
you should start with 5 hund, 5 sprig, 2 monster/agil and build up from there

What is ALK?

All the sets he mentioned in order:
VO = Vicious Ophidian
ALK = Roar of Alkosh
Sprig = Spriggan, crap set compared to TFS = Twice Fanged Serpent
TBS = Twice-born Star

Swainyboy

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Standard wrote: »

Lashiing wrote: »

top atm is vo/alk + sprig/tbs + kraugh/veli/selene + ma
you should start with 5 hund, 5 sprig, 2 monster/agil and build up from there

What is ALK?

All the sets he mentioned in order:
VO = Vicious Ophidian
ALK = Roar of Alkosh
Sprig = Spriggan, crap set compared to TFS = Twice Fanged Serpent
TBS = Twice-born Star

Problem with TFS is that it drops in SA whilst Sprig is easy to obtain

Jeckll

The issue with Twice Fanged Serpent is that the Penetration is just too much. There are very few occations where you can actually benefit from 5k Pen.

You'll get 5280 from Major Fracture and 5160 from Sharpened Weapons = 10.440 Penetration. Overland Mobs have 9.1k, which means for questing, you are already overdoing it.

In Dungeons/Trials, we face 18.2k Armor targets.
Adding Kra'gh which is considered BiS atm, we get another 1935 Penetration which brings us to 12.375.
In a group, a tank or a healer usually uses a Crushing Glyph, another 1622 Penetration -> 13.997

Now if we add 5k Pen from TFS, we're already at 18997, overdoing it by 797 already.
And we didnt even talk about Alkosh or Minor Fracture yet.

So there are very limited uses of TFS in PvE.

Lashiing

yeah dont do tfs lol, that's a pvp set
even sprig can be a bit much in endgame pve
but it def works wonders in 4 mans, normal trials, and vma

Jeckll

Lashiing wrote: »

yeah dont do tfs lol, that's a pvp set
even sprig can be a bit much in endgame pve
but it def works wonders in 4 mans, normal trials, and vma

I actually tested Armor Values in vMA and in most cases, both Spriggan and TFS are overdoing it:



As you need to stack Penetration with TFS, its extra bad for vMA where burst is far more benefical as dps. Most targets die in 1-3 hits so you will have a hard time to keep the stacks up.

Lashiing

Jeckll wrote: »

Lashiing wrote: »

yeah dont do tfs lol, that's a pvp set
even sprig can be a bit much in endgame pve
but it def works wonders in 4 mans, normal trials, and vma

I actually tested Armor Values in vMA and in most cases, both Spriggan and TFS are overdoing it:



As you need to stack Penetration with TFS, its extra bad for vMA where burst is far more benefical as dps. Most targets die in 1-3 hits so you will have a hard time to keep the stacks up.

ofc fine tuning is needed to hit the 9100
all im saying is i prefer sprig to nmg in vma

Izaki

Jeckll wrote: »

The issue with Twice Fanged Serpent is that the Penetration is just too much. There are very few occations where you can actually benefit from 5k Pen.

You'll get 5280 from Major Fracture and 5160 from Sharpened Weapons = 10.440 Penetration. Overland Mobs have 9.1k, which means for questing, you are already overdoing it.

In Dungeons/Trials, we face 18.2k Armor targets.
Adding Kra'gh which is considered BiS atm, we get another 1935 Penetration which brings us to 12.375.
In a group, a tank or a healer usually uses a Crushing Glyph, another 1622 Penetration -> 13.997

Now if we add 5k Pen from TFS, we're already at 18997, overdoing it by 797 already.
And we didnt even talk about Alkosh or Minor Fracture yet.

So there are very limited uses of TFS in PvE.

Isn't Kra'gh is only BiS because of the penetration? If you use TFS, you don't need Kra'gh and you can use a much stronger set, like Stormfist or Velidreth. Stam builds are lacking AoE damage. Both Stormfist and Velidreth have much more AoE potential than Kra'gh. You can also use a Precise weapon if you have a decent uptime on Alkosh.

I don't know about Minor Fracture, stamina templars are rare...

TFS only does what light armor have as a passive. So if magicka builds aren't over penetrating, then how would a stamina build over penetrate?

Izaki

Lashiing wrote: »

yeah dont do tfs lol, that's a pvp set
even sprig can be a bit much in endgame pve
but it def works wonders in 4 mans, normal trials, and vma

TFS in PvP?... You'd have like no uptime at all on your penetration buff.

The whole point is that Rapid Strikes, Endless Hail and all the simultaneous DoTs, keep a pretty much 100% uptime on the 5k penetration.

And Spriggan... TFS has a crit bonus. Crit >>>>>>>>>>>> Max stamina.

Jeckll

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Jeckll wrote: »

The issue with Twice Fanged Serpent is that the Penetration is just too much. There are very few occations where you can actually benefit from 5k Pen.

You'll get 5280 from Major Fracture and 5160 from Sharpened Weapons = 10.440 Penetration. Overland Mobs have 9.1k, which means for questing, you are already overdoing it.

In Dungeons/Trials, we face 18.2k Armor targets.
Adding Kra'gh which is considered BiS atm, we get another 1935 Penetration which brings us to 12.375.
In a group, a tank or a healer usually uses a Crushing Glyph, another 1622 Penetration -> 13.997

Now if we add 5k Pen from TFS, we're already at 18997, overdoing it by 797 already.
And we didnt even talk about Alkosh or Minor Fracture yet.

So there are very limited uses of TFS in PvE.

Isn't Kra'gh is only BiS because of the penetration? If you use TFS, you don't need Kra'gh and you can use a much stronger set, like Stormfist or Velidreth. Stam builds are lacking AoE damage. Both Stormfist and Velidreth have much more AoE potential than Kra'gh. You can also use a Precise weapon if you have a decent uptime on Alkosh.

I don't know about Minor Fracture, stamina templars are rare...

TFS only does what light armor have as a passive. So if magicka builds aren't over penetrating, then how would a stamina build over penetrate?

The issue is that Kra'gh offers a higher DPS increase compared to alternatives than TFS does over other relevant 5pc sets. So trading penetration in that way doesnt help to increase your total DPS. Same thing goes for Sharpened Weapons,especially considering the Crit Damage nerfs next patch.

You will be far better off using Sharp Weapons and a Set like NMG than using TFS + Precise Weapons.

Again, as I said: there are some occations where you might get better results but in general, it's just too much penentration.

Lashiing

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

TFS in PvP?... You'd have like no uptime at all on your penetration buff.

you sound like a ganker