VMOL Pad buff doesn't apply

Nifty2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOrNinzU-4Q
@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno Bug with this pad not granting buff. Having max vitality and dying to a bug like this you can't fix is not a great thing. As you see in the video the people who did step on the pad did not get the buff either, I was second person on it and was on it for quite awhile and still didn't get it.

Vaoh

O_o

That's..... not good. RIP

ManHands

I too have recorded footage of this, can edit and toss in as well.

DPShiro

Is this only on PC?
Our tank died a few days ago and shouldn't have, causing a wipe with almost full vitality.

OrphanHelgen

Also, there is a bug if you have the break free immune and get void, you explode and cannot break free. Meteors hit you and there is nothing you can do about it. Of course we shouldnt have to break free before the void anyway due to blocking assassins and interrupting hulk, but mistakes can happend.

Nifty2g

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Also, there is a bug if you have the break free immune and get void, you explode and cannot break free. Meteors hit you and there is nothing you can do about it. Of course we shouldnt have to break free before the void anyway due to blocking assassins and interrupting hulk, but mistakes can happend.

Have never heard of this one
@ManHands Yes please

Asmael

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Also, there is a bug if you have the break free immune and get void, you explode and cannot break free. Meteors hit you and there is nothing you can do about it. Of course we shouldnt have to break free before the void anyway due to blocking assassins and interrupting hulk, but mistakes can happend.

Just to confirm this as well.

Basically, any CC immunity (including one from Immovable for instance) will be ignored by the stun from Unstable Void.

OrphanHelgen

Asmael wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Also, there is a bug if you have the break free immune and get void, you explode and cannot break free. Meteors hit you and there is nothing you can do about it. Of course we shouldnt have to break free before the void anyway due to blocking assassins and interrupting hulk, but mistakes can happend.

Just to confirm this as well.

Basically, any CC immunity (including one from Immovable for instance) will be ignored by the stun from Unstable Void.

Yes, I see the cc immune white circle around you, and you still get stunned by the void explotion. That's ok somehow, but what is NOT ok, is that you cannot "break free" while having CC immune. That needs to be changed atleast. It's a clear bug.

Nifty2g

Asmael wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Also, there is a bug if you have the break free immune and get void, you explode and cannot break free. Meteors hit you and there is nothing you can do about it. Of course we shouldnt have to break free before the void anyway due to blocking assassins and interrupting hulk, but mistakes can happend.

Just to confirm this as well.

Basically, any CC immunity (including one from Immovable for instance) will be ignored by the stun from Unstable Void.

Ah I get what you mean, that sucks

YoloWizard

Are you encountering this often or is it the first time?

Nifty2g

YoloWizard wrote: »

Are you encountering this often or is it the first time?

@YoloWizard First time it's happened, I've seen it happen on a xantaria stream though

YoloWizard

Nifty2g wrote: »

YoloWizard wrote: »

Are you encountering this often or is it the first time?

@YoloWizard First time it's happened, I've seen it happen on a xantaria stream though

Yeah noticed this one is quite different, you didn't lose the buff like what Aquila having. You didn't get it at all when stepped inside the platform. We had this once and after watching replay it was a DD getting the buff with his toe only touching the platform and since then never had it.

Not sure if its the same or not but I can see the healer getting into platform before the tank and moved out immediately so you should get the buff there.

Nifty2g

wtb response
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

DRXHarbinger

Nifty2g wrote: »

wtb response
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

No eta on that fix. On another note did you know housing is coming?

ManHands

Here's mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov1RioSYnbA

Woeler

The buff transition takes between one and two seconds. It is not instant. This is why ressing the tank in these situations is tricky, because the buff does not immediately apply when person X walks of the platform and you walk/are on it.

Here is exactly what happened.

1. Your healer walks over the platform and gains the buff


2. Your off-tank dodgerolls onto the edge while you move on it, transition is taking place


3. Two people one the platform, game decides who gets the buff, and you were the unlucky one.
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No healer or DD has any business on that platform and should stay away, even when repositioning.

The video @ManHands posted seems more like a bug to me, as the buff actually just randomly goes away.

Edit: typo.

Alcast

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

Khairiah

Whats gonna be done about the Rakkhat HM cheese? More importently, how fast will it be done?

Alcast

Khairiah wrote: »

Whats gonna be done about the Rakkhat HM cheese? More importently, how fast will it be done?

its fixed on the pts. So another 3-4 weeks till it gets fixed lol.

Nifty2g

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Alcast

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

ManHands

ManHands wrote: »

nvm.

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

I get it every single hardmode run.

Alcast

ManHands wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

nvm.

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

I get it every single hardmode run.

When you doublecheck your videos, are you sure nobody usually steps on your platform?

In your case the buff REALLY disappears... thats insane.
In niftys case he never gets it, most likely due to sb else having it.

Does this only happen once per run or all the time randomly?

ManHands

Alcast wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

nvm.

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

I get it every single hardmode run.

When you doublecheck your videos, are you sure nobody usually steps on your platform?

In your case the buff REALLY disappears... thats insane.
In niftys case he never gets it, most likely due to sb else having it.

Does this only happen once per run or all the time randomly?

It happens randomly, on the third and fifth pads. Sometimes it doesn't happen but once it starts, the hardmode progression is essentially over even if I relog. On double checking videos, no one steps on the platform before I do.

Alcast

ManHands wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

nvm.

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

I get it every single hardmode run.

When you doublecheck your videos, are you sure nobody usually steps on your platform?

In your case the buff REALLY disappears... thats insane.
In niftys case he never gets it, most likely due to sb else having it.

Does this only happen once per run or all the time randomly?

It happens randomly, on the third and fifth pads. Sometimes it doesn't happen but once it starts, the hardmode progression is essentially over even if I relog. On double checking videos, no one steps on the platform before I do.

Does this happen to other tanks in your group? Have you tried with another character?

ManHands

Alcast wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

ManHands wrote: »

nvm.

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

I get it every single hardmode run.

When you doublecheck your videos, are you sure nobody usually steps on your platform?

In your case the buff REALLY disappears... thats insane.
In niftys case he never gets it, most likely due to sb else having it.

Does this only happen once per run or all the time randomly?

It happens randomly, on the third and fifth pads. Sometimes it doesn't happen but once it starts, the hardmode progression is essentially over even if I relog. On double checking videos, no one steps on the platform before I do.

Does this happen to other tanks in your group? Have you tried with another character?

It's happened to one other tank once or twice. Otherwise, not nearly as often as it does to me. Already building an alternate race for tanking. @Nifty2g theorizes that it might be the Red Diamond passive in Imperial racial passive.

Nifty2g

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Half your group is on the platform...nobody should walk over it...unless you wanna die.

I wish the padbuff would be granted faster... the transition makes it kinda slow and can end in a death of the tank...

@Alcast Yeah I do agree, any idea on the ManHands video?

Our tank had that bug ONCE... that the buff got removed. In all other cases it usually was a person taking the buff away.
Also be aware that literally 1 toe on the platform is enough. I think the area where you get the buff is actually SLIGHTLY bigger then the platform itself.

Yeah since this I have never gotten it again, the pad probably has an ICD and I guess it never went off cooldown and just didn't apply to me.

The only other time I had seen it happen like manhands video was when it happened with xantaria, and another one of our tanks used to get one shot randomly from what we thought was stepping off the pad like a few months ago.
We don't really have many imperial tanks on the server at all, and the one thing most of the people actually getting the bug where it disappears is being imperials. But I'm not sure some people say it's incredibly rare but something seems to be causing it to happen for when manhands is in their group, so I seem to think it's race passive related but unsure.
Who knows what the cause is

usmcjdking

My bet is that it's related to the same bug that causes you to purge positive effects.

I've purged my own Continuous Attack buffs, potion buffs, rally and I am not entirely sure how to reproduce ir.

Woeler

As soon as person X gets the buff person N can't steal the buff. The buff only changes target when person X leaves the platform.

An example:
- The tank, person X stands on the platform and receives the buff
- A DD, person N steps on the platform after the tank has received the buff
- Person N will not receive the buff, person X keeps the buff
- Rakkhat does his knockback attack
- Person X gets knocked back from the platform (even if just 1mm and a fraction of a second), person N stays within range of the platform.
- Person X will lose the buff as soon as he leaves the platform
- Person N will receive the buff after a short time period, usually a second (remember that there is no way to regain the buff now, even if person X moves back fast. The game has already decided the person that will receive the buff next)
- Unless person N steps down from the platform at this point, person X will not be able to gain the buff anymore and will die

You cannot "steal" the buff. It will only switch when the buffed person leaves the platform. Any person can theoretically stand on the platform AFTER person X has received the buff, but as soon as person X leaves the platform trouble follows.

GCVDJ11T

@Nifty2g did you ever get a response?

Last night 11 times on 8 pulls lunar bastion just drops off of the tank. We even had it happen on the first pad standing right in front of Rakkhat Lunar Bastion just drops. No one was on the pad, not even the sorc scamps. We tried relogging.. turning HM on and off. Finally we just gave up figuring it was a bugged instance.

Nifty2g

@GCVDJ11T I found out that using igneous during rakkhats dark barrage and going into absorb magic sometimes drops my buff