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Guild Dues and peoples opinion
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So I have a simple question. I'm sure you in the community have opinions and is love to hear them!
Example.
Your in a guild. They are a guild you mostly run pvp with. You don't desire or want a trader. You don't cost them anything. You don't take from bank or request things crafted or gifted.
And your generally low on funds. Which is never a problem until they implement dues after a long time without them.
What's your opinion on paying dues for a trader you don't want/need and the only benefit you reap is having people to group with?
Example.
Your in a guild. They are a guild you mostly run pvp with. You don't desire or want a trader. You don't cost them anything. You don't take from bank or request things crafted or gifted.
And your generally low on funds. Which is never a problem until they implement dues after a long time without them.
What's your opinion on paying dues for a trader you don't want/need and the only benefit you reap is having people to group with?
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lol @ pvp guild dues. That deserves a glorious highly public rage quit.Edited by timidobserver on January 13, 2017 5:13PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only guilds that should be requesting Dues are higher end trading guilds that have to pay millions weekly for the trader.
Other than that it's just a GL that is probably going to one day disband after withdrawing everything from the bank, and since it was his Guild and you willing gave the money there is nothing a GM will do about it.6 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »The only guilds that should be requesting Dues are higher end trading guilds that have to pay millions weekly for the trader.
No one HAS to pay Millions to get a trader.
Some people CHOOSE to.
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✭✭✭I belong to five guilds, three of which are big trading guilds, NONE ask for any regular payment/dues, although donations are always appreciated and will result in a higher rank if that's important to you......
I'd say find another guild!
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✭If you use the trader you will have gold for dues, then it wouldn't be an issue...I think guild dues are totally worth it, and are very much needed if you truly want a successful guild. But of course this is just my opinion, others may feel differently. I make 30-100k a day off of our guild trader with very little effort....which is totally worth the weekly dues I pay!!0 -
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✭Yeah, no. A PvP guild? What exactly would they need dues for that people can do themselves? Unless they're going for a trader. If not, or if they never had to begin with? Well... I'm not saying leave it, buuuuut...
You may wanna leave it.
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Preyfar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Guild dues for a guild which has no trader is kind of... odd. If you had a guild that's trying to get guild housing available /maybe/ but I'd consider it should be on a volunteer basis, not mandatory. Not unless the guild is providing something back like potions or gear.0 -
Soella✭✭✭✭If you are in the guild which has trader, it does not matter if you are using it or not. If you are not using it you just take the place of someone who would use it and therefore bring fees to the guild.
Another question is if dues are reasonable or not. All trade guilds I am in have conditions like "sell for XXX through trader or buy ruffle thicket for YYY" - which sounds pretty reasonable for me.Edited by Soella on January 13, 2017 5:49PM0 -
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✭✭If your guild is asking for mandatory payments, it's time to get the f**k out of that guild."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »The only guilds that should be requesting Dues are higher end trading guilds that have to pay millions weekly for the trader.
No one HAS to pay Millions to get a trader.
Some people CHOOSE to.
All The Best
If they don't then they're not exactly a high end trade guild, so yes they do.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
Xenophis✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »
No one HAS to pay Millions to get a trader.
Some people CHOOSE to.
All The Best
You sure about that? Are you a GM of a high end trading guild that has to secure one of the most lucrative spots in Tamriel, week after week?
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✭✭✭✭✭I make 30-100k a day off of our guild trader with very little effort....which is totally worth the weekly dues I pay!!
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✭Well, to split your question up, I agree that guilds can require dues to be in the guild, but I only see them being required if the guild is paying for a service to provide the guild members a benefit, ie a trader.
The only thing I can think of is if your guild is trying to save up money to buy a guild house, since you say you don't have a trader being a PvP guild.Make PC NA raiding great again!
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Lol @ pvp guild dues. That deserves a glorious highly public rage quit.
I'm in 5 guilds, two of which have a strong focus on PvP. None of those 5 guilds has any mandatory fees.
Find a better guild ...
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✭I would leave.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault0 -
Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭If the guild has in-game expenses like a trader, and the dues cover but don't exceed the expense, and the expense is for something you value, then pay.
However a PVP guild without a trader doesn't have in game expenses, and it sounds like even if they add one, you don't see value in having a trader, so you should not pay / drop the guild.
Also never pay dues for a guild without expenses or where the dues exceed the expenses, as that is like 99.999% sure to be some sort of scam / con to benefit the GM / leaders at the expense of everyone else.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Guilds that charge are not worth being in. I am in several trade guilds that charge nothing and I always quickly sell my wares.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not a fan of forced dues but I'm on PC and this just doesn't happen outside of a couple of extremely successful high end trade guilds. These forced payments seem to be a huge console problem and I'm not sure why that is. Optional raffles and donations are typically enough to keep a modest trader for any non trade guild if they choose to bid weekly on PC.0 -
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✭✭If they don't then they're not exactly a high end trade guild, so yes they do.You sure about that? Are you a GM of a high end trading guild that has to secure one of the most lucrative spots in Tamriel, week after week?
The issues with the cost of a good Trade Kiosk have plagued the game since the start. I was very vocal about those issues in the beginning, and predicted that prices would rocket beyond comprehension unless the fundamental flaws with the system were fixed - and that haven't been fixed.
We already know that not only do High-End Trade Guilds pay Millions for a Kiosk they also pay bribes to other guilds not to bid. The system is broken.
One Tamriel fixed one of the major flaws with the system - players unable to access points of sale due to level restrictions. But nothing has been done to fix the other issues.
Want to get them fixed? Simple.
Instead of Trade Guild leaders getting their heads together and bribing other guilds not to bid do something a bit more intelligent, that will have a longer lasting impact.
They need to get their heads together and all agree to do one simple thing: not bid for a kiosk. If absolutely no one bids on any kiosks for one trade cycle ZOS will be forced to fix the underlying faulty mechanisms.
If anyone thinks bribing smaller guilds is a long term solution think again. All that does is allow them stockpile funds to out bid you later, and then the bribes increase.
Carry on using the system as it is and ZOS will see no need to ever fix the issues that currently exist.
Refuse to use that system and they will be forced to fix it.
Maybe it'll take one month of no bids, maybe it will take three.
But the choice is simple - do nothing and nothing changes, do something and some things will have to change.
The lever of power here is the Players' hands - all they need is the intelligence, the commitment and the courage to use it.
I won't be holding my breath; because if those things existed in sufficient quantities the problems would already have been fixed.
Please note that what I am saying is collectively people tend to act in accordance with the lowest common denominator - in this case short term greed. Individually I know from in-game comments and chat that there are high-end traders that don't think current Kiosk prices are really worth it - because it all they do is drive commodity inflation higher and higher, thus narrowing the pool of potential customers.
But the only way this can work is for every single trade kiosk to sit unused and empty for a period of time long enough to see the in-game economy collapse.
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zuto40✭✭✭✭✭@Jaronking get a load of this bsStamblade- Legate
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This is just stupid some people will do anything for gold man, but hey if it works am making a pvp guild send me 6k a week and we will maybe probably not get a trader.Want to join @zuto40 ?@Jaronking get a load of this bs0 -
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This is just stupid some people will do anything for gold man, but hey if it works am making a pvp guild send me 6k a week and we will maybe probably not get a trader.Want to join @zuto40 ?@Jaronking get a load of this bs
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We can do more for that 100k ap at least 60k for a 1 million gold we will boost you to first place @zuto40 .
This is just stupid some people will do anything for gold man, but hey if it works am making a pvp guild send me 6k a week and we will maybe probably not get a trader.Want to join @zuto40 ?@Jaronking get a load of this bs
too cheap, 10k and i have to feed you 100k ap on another characterEdited by Jaronking on January 13, 2017 8:18PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I would probably quit the guild, good riddance. If folks like dues that's fine but unless there's a reason for it no way in heck I'd pay, there are plenty of guilds who don't have that kind of rule.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭The sooner ZOS get rid of this crap guild trading system the better. For good measure, they could limit guild membership to a single guild and get back to the days of players actually belonging to a guild rather than simply being a number between 1 and 500 from whom dues can be collected in order to access a trader and through whom a fortune can be made with absolutely no sense of community or commitment.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Suffice to say I agree with everyone and this is nonsense.
The -ONLY- way I could see it being reasonable, while not being a trade guild, would be if the PVP guild has agreed to all chip in for a manor.1 -
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✭I can kind of see the point of dues for a guild that's almost exclusively trading. You don't what members that aren't contributing towards the trader and taxes aren't enough to get a good enough one any more. If you're using the trader you should be able to afford it, if you're not then maybe another guild would suit you better.
A pvp/pve guild that decides to charge weekly fees without a steady trade tho is just wrong. What are you supposed to be paying for; the half dozen members that actually want to trade? Not all guilds need to be trade guilds. People just need to find guilds that suit them, not try to force them all to be what they want.PS4 EU0 -
skiptomyluau✭✭✭I don't mind my 5k per week. I make in back in like 20 min with a single temper. I'm not a huge seller tho maybe 100k per week0
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johu31✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »The only guilds that should be requesting Dues are higher end trading guilds that have to pay millions weekly for the trader.
No one HAS to pay Millions to get a trader.
Some people CHOOSE to.
All The Best
Not all trader kiosks are created equal..0
