PvP embarrassingly uncompetitive

Triipzzz

Previously removed by ZOS ryan for mention of quiting when there is none.

So I have played this game for some time. Enough to achieve almost 800 cp. I should also mention I play from NZ so my connection is crystal clear 24/7 when I'm not on the game and looking for a way to kill myself after playing. Just kidding but you get the idea.

Ever since I started it honestly was a fun game, PVP more than PvE at first but then you brought so much to PvE it was hard not to like. Great job there, you really nailed it.



But PVP in the past 6 months is so unbearably painful. Im embarrassed to even call the game competitive when there is literally no skill involved anymore. I wouldn't say I was the best but I knew my way around a few characters quite well. To keep it short here were my major disappointments and frustrations.

1. I enjoyed 1vX until heavy got buffed and you allowed proc builds to stack damage, resources and defenses. This basically meant if you want to survive you had no chance unless you matched them by wearing heavy. Something you promoted because you're dumb and you never thought about the builds people put together or took action on the Op builds various streamers recommended you nerf. Great job, better luck next time I guess.

2. Light and medium armor got hit hard with the heavy buff once again, I recently compared my light build which stacks damage but struggles with health and resources to a heavy version and the results were disgusting. I'm not sure why light or medium even exists anymore. Seriously, it is unplayable and provides you with zero advantage over heavy. Take a look at the heavy passives ffs, healing, max health, damage stacking, resource regeneration. Really?!?


3.The sad part is the game was once good and it still can be, but you blatantly ignore the issues that the players and streamers that care about the longevity of the game bring up, Procs not criting is a step but no touch on heavy or destro ult more recently. Then you nerf skill that literally are underpowered or fine how they are, curse and funnel health?!?!

4. And blazing shield builds, well thets not go there but just say boring and pointless.

Ive got plenty of recent screenshots to show you what proc builds are capable of if you even think of trying to play competitively in light (xbox dvr me). Oh and I'll leave a snap shot of the guy that pretty much hits the nail on the head when it comes to nerfing curse because I think he is spot on not necessarily about the ability but about how you choose what to nerf or leave alone. RNG probably.

Please just get out and play your game, its not difficult with the current setup anyway.

Awakatanka

I agree 100% and i do not play a few weeks ( since ark released on ps4 ) and do not mis it much. Only missing the old pvp where there where none proc on proc on proc sets. Will read how it goes and play if this proc sets are gone and skill are back again.

mb10

Blazing shield builds justt literally take a few steps back.

A solo blazing shield player has very poor max magicka and heals. If you have any sort of distance attack just get them with that.

Genuinely pathetic build.

Rohamad_Ali

We don't know what the second and third phase of balance patches will hold yet in test center . Trying to keep some optimism but I don't see many testers showing changes to proc set crits having no effect on the damage still being done . A lot of testers are probably frustrated and just throwing hands in the air about proc sets or are the ones that enjoy that meta so don't care to see more action taken . Who knows what will happen at live at this rate .

Strider_Roshin

No build or skill required. All you need is a destro ult, and you'll nuke everything.

srfrogg23

On the other hand, tanks in PvE seem to be doing really well because of the buff to heavy armor.

This is why I keep saying that Zos needs to invest some time into duplicating the skills and then creating a copy that is balanced specially for PvE and a copy that is balanced specifically for PvP. Making tanks stronger in PvE kind of broke build creativity in PvP as far as I can tell.

Now, if they nerf heavy armor to fix PvP, they'll probably mess up the good thing that they have going with tanking in PvE.

kevlarto_ESO

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We don't know what the second and third phase of balance patches will hold yet in test center . Trying to keep some optimism but I don't see many testers showing changes to proc set crits having no effect on the damage still being done . A lot of testers are probably frustrated and just throwing hands in the air about proc sets or are the ones that enjoy that meta so don't care to see more action taken . Who knows what will happen at live at this rate .

This^^ one problem with a lot of the testers I see on test are the ones I see cheating and exploiting, just looking for the next big exploit and not testing for the betterment of the game, will wait and see what the future holds

Triipzzz

A suggestion I would make is to increase the evasion dodge chance given by most people wearing heavy and using shuffle by each piece of medium worn by 2%. It is a medium armour skill after all yet 7 heavy users can utilise it better than medium currently.

It may bring a little bit of competition back to medium armour and if wearing 7 would provide 14% max which is similar to the 15% current planned max.

But if heavy has no dodge chance, they get hits more and in turn stack more damage and resources so theres the heavy problem again.

psychotic13

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We don't know what the second and third phase of balance patches will hold yet in test center . Trying to keep some optimism but I don't see many testers showing changes to proc set crits having no effect on the damage still being done . A lot of testers are probably frustrated and just throwing hands in the air about proc sets or are the ones that enjoy that meta so don't care to see more action taken . Who knows what will happen at live at this rate .

PTS2 notes are out, this one really annoyed me and my DW sorc.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Increased the Dual Wield Weapon and Spell Damage penalty by roughly 3%. Weapon and Spell Damage while Dual Wielding (without modifiers) is now equal to using a Two Handed weapon.

AlwaysOnFire

To break the combo about people being sad that PvP won't validate them like they'd hoped it would: I find it nice that I'm not driven to anxiety when I am "missing" PvP and that i can have fun in a campaign, feel like an ordinary person can achive doable goals.

We all like to imagine that we'd be the l33t pwnzorz or whatever if things were just a little more in our favor to exploit. But a system that rewards only competitiveness will deliver the quantitative rewards only to those with the most time, money, resources, coordination, social power, specs, to compete. Chances are, almost none of us are the apex of that demographic. No matter how much we'd love to reap the rewards of being so.

So spank my goldfish and call me a casual, I am okay with PvP not being entirely upwardly-focused. The people who would benefit, no matter how good you think you are, probably aren't you.

DRXHarbinger

There is no skill in cpu games. Period. Macro a whole rotation down...wow bro you leet..how did you do that n all. It's nothing to be amazed at. Proc sets and all that goodness just keep them inline.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again...he who lags first...lags last and looses.

Triipzzz

AlwaysOnFire wrote: »

To break the combo about people being sad that PvP won't validate them like they'd hoped it would: I find it nice that I'm not driven to anxiety when I am "missing" PvP and that i can have fun in a campaign, feel like an ordinary person can achive doable goals.

We all like to imagine that we'd be the l33t pwnzorz or whatever if things were just a little more in our favor to exploit. But a system that rewards only competitiveness will deliver the quantitative rewards only to those with the most time, money, resources, coordination, social power, specs, to compete. Chances are, almost none of us are the apex of that demographic. No matter how much we'd love to reap the rewards of being so.

So spank my goldfish and call me a casual, I am okay with PvP not being entirely upwardly-focused. The people who would benefit, no matter how good you think you are, probably aren't you.

Get a grip, I only play to have fun but its hard to even achieve that, I feel for the people without cp or struggling more.

Rohamad_Ali

psychotic13 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We don't know what the second and third phase of balance patches will hold yet in test center . Trying to keep some optimism but I don't see many testers showing changes to proc set crits having no effect on the damage still being done . A lot of testers are probably frustrated and just throwing hands in the air about proc sets or are the ones that enjoy that meta so don't care to see more action taken . Who knows what will happen at live at this rate .

PTS2 notes are out, this one really annoyed me and my DW sorc.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Increased the Dual Wield Weapon and Spell Damage penalty by roughly 3%. Weapon and Spell Damage while Dual Wielding (without modifiers) is now equal to using a Two Handed weapon.

Oh great , I was worried my duel wield bar on Majic NB wouldn't get nerfed . Thanks Wrobel !

THEDKEXPERIENCE

"I enjoyed 1vX" = "Game uncompetitive"

I'm sure the dozen people the OP used to kill at once all saw the game as quite competitive.

TequilaFire

While heavy armor may need some adjustment, please remember a time when we all begged for HA to be buffed as it was so bad nobody used it.

In terms of damage mitigation it makes sense heavy>medium> light.
If the proc sets never existed or certain sets like Black Rose and Reactive which just happen to be HA there would not be this outcry against paladin types.

Rohamad_Ali

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We don't know what the second and third phase of balance patches will hold yet in test center . Trying to keep some optimism but I don't see many testers showing changes to proc set crits having no effect on the damage still being done . A lot of testers are probably frustrated and just throwing hands in the air about proc sets or are the ones that enjoy that meta so don't care to see more action taken . Who knows what will happen at live at this rate .

This^^ one problem with a lot of the testers I see on test are the ones I see cheating and exploiting, just looking for the next big exploit and not testing for the betterment of the game, will wait and see what the future holds

Umm that's NOT what I was trying to say at all . All of Us that test have told ZOS MANY times what's broken and what is OP . ZOS does not fix it ! Those that like the proc set meta maybe defending it for rel reasons like PVE , since ZOS is doing blanket nerfs . I said nothing about cheaters .

AlwaysOnFire

Triipzzz wrote: »

Get a grip, I only play to have fun but its hard to even achieve that, I feel for the people without cp or struggling more.

There's lots of stuff to do in PvP. Maybe more stuff in ESO than many other MMORPGs. Instead of ramming a square peg in a round hole and declaring it unfun, it might be more fruitful to go find some way to have fun with what you've got and as what you've got changes, evolve your experience.

Wanting to leap in and be more successful head-on and get handed the fun and feel like you're a dominant competitor in a sport is a great power fantasy but chances are only the very biggest whales in the game will be able to stand a consistent chance that way. Most of us are not gonna be E-Athletes but there's more to having fun in a game with many opportunities than getting to be a shredded quarterback.

NeillMcAttack

I think that zos should focus less on balance in Cyrodiil and focus on battle-ground balance instead. Some will say they are both the same but.... I don't think they are.

geonsocal

AlwaysOnFire wrote: »

To break the combo about people being sad that PvP won't validate them like they'd hoped it would: I find it nice that I'm not driven to anxiety when I am "missing" PvP and that i can have fun in a campaign, feel like an ordinary person can achive doable goals.

We all like to imagine that we'd be the l33t pwnzorz or whatever if things were just a little more in our favor to exploit. But a system that rewards only competitiveness will deliver the quantitative rewards only to those with the most time, money, resources, coordination, social power, specs, to compete. Chances are, almost none of us are the apex of that demographic. No matter how much we'd love to reap the rewards of being so.

So spank my goldfish and call me a casual, I am okay with PvP not being entirely upwardly-focused. The people who would benefit, no matter how good you think you are, probably aren't you.

you were definitely on "fire" with this post @AlwaysOnFire ...i'm there with you - being competitive all the time is wearisome...i try very hard to keep focused on fighting, exploring, interacting with other players and having fun...

i get how the extremely competitive nature of some drives them to push the boundaries of this game...thankfully, i don't share the same obsessive nature that normally goes hand and hand with some of those uber competitive players...

Triipzzz

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

"I enjoyed 1vX" = "Game uncompetitive"

I'm sure the dozen people the OP used to kill at once all saw the game as quite competitive.

No procs, simple skills and strategy to fight more than your fair share was what 1vX is about. Even 2vX or 3vX. That was competitive.

Competitive now is sitting in a larger zerg than you opponents spamming simple cc's and having more destro ults and negates.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Adding, while the OP does point out a few things that are worth looking at, this thread reaks of L2Adjust.

It's an MMO. Metas change. Also, and this is just a guess ... but ... any chance the OP was a PC transfer? 800 CP is a lot, so I'm wondering how many of those 1vX moments were due to having a 1 year head start on many? It's amazing how many "I can't 1vX anymore" posts are blamed on broken sets instead of noticing that 1 out of every 4 people you come across now in Cyrodiil is at an equal CP level.

FluffyReachWitch

So is this just about 1vX? I find that PvP has a lot to offer when cooperating with other players. (It's also more fun. There's nothing like charging into battle together, or watching your allies creep around and try to sneak-revive you while you watch in horror as someone with an enemy shield draws near.)

Light and medium builds get a lot done as a team or with heavy support. I've done plenty of splash damage as a light robes magicka sorc, and recently leveled a stamina nightblade and started picking off targets while my allies hold back the tide of melee attackers. There are many advantages to light and medium armor that heavy armor just doesn't provide, but your best bet at survival, regardless of your armor choice, is having backup.

Unless you're ganking lone stragglers between keeps, or stacking broken armor sets, trying to be an army all by yourself just isn't going to work.

Triipzzz

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Adding, while the OP does point out a few things that are worth looking at, this thread reaks of L2Adjust.

It's an MMO. Metas change. Also, and this is just a guess ... but ... any chance the OP was a PC transfer? 800 CP is a lot, so I'm wondering how many of those 1vX moments were due to having a 1 year head start on many? It's amazing how many "I can't 1vX anymore" posts are blamed on broken sets instead of noticing that 1 out of ever 4 people you come across now in Cyrodiil is at an equal CP level.

No pc transfer, even started months after console launch. Just got a goid grip of the game.

As I said before this isnt just about 1vX. I feel for the players that aren't as well equiped, experience or maybe dont have a large skill set. Trust me, I only play for enjoyment and satisfaction of not playjng meta and killing meta.

AlwaysOnFire

ugga ugga me like pvp better if was 1 stick, not 2 rock

PurifedBladez

AlwaysOnFire wrote: »

To break the combo about people being sad that PvP won't validate them like they'd hoped it would: I find it nice that I'm not driven to anxiety when I am "missing" PvP and that i can have fun in a campaign, feel like an ordinary person can achive doable goals.

We all like to imagine that we'd be the l33t pwnzorz or whatever if things were just a little more in our favor to exploit. But a system that rewards only competitiveness will deliver the quantitative rewards only to those with the most time, money, resources, coordination, social power, specs, to compete. Chances are, almost none of us are the apex of that demographic. No matter how much we'd love to reap the rewards of being so.

So spank my goldfish and call me a casual, I am okay with PvP not being entirely upwardly-focused. The people who would benefit, no matter how good you think you are, probably aren't you.

This is the dumbest post of all time.

Pallio

PvP is good when you just want to relax and try goofy builds etc. Tonight I am going to see how my WW skills are, almost 200k AP this weekend was mind-numbing and boring, gonna mix it up tonight.

Derra

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

No build or skill required. All you need is a destro ult, and you'll nuke everything.

The sad part is. Without destro ult absolutely nothing dies because people are able to build insanely tanky.

It´s a vicious cycle that to be broken has to be cut loose on two ends. They need to nerf overperforming ultimates and proccs BUT they also need to adress survivability.
A pvp game where nobody dies is just as much fun as dying instantly to the amor your opponent was wearing.

PurifedBladez

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Adding, while the OP does point out a few things that are worth looking at, this thread reaks of L2Adjust.

It's an MMO. Metas change. Also, and this is just a guess ... but ... any chance the OP was a PC transfer? 800 CP is a lot, so I'm wondering how many of those 1vX moments were due to having a 1 year head start on many? It's amazing how many "I can't 1vX anymore" posts are blamed on broken sets instead of noticing that 1 out of every 4 people you come across now in Cyrodiil is at an equal CP level.

Lol trust me that has nothing to do with it. I'm sure there's a group of 561s standing around somewhere I could 1vX but if you were to give them all 5x viper 2x Selene 5x Black Rose it may be a different story.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

PurifedBladez wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Adding, while the OP does point out a few things that are worth looking at, this thread reaks of L2Adjust.

It's an MMO. Metas change. Also, and this is just a guess ... but ... any chance the OP was a PC transfer? 800 CP is a lot, so I'm wondering how many of those 1vX moments were due to having a 1 year head start on many? It's amazing how many "I can't 1vX anymore" posts are blamed on broken sets instead of noticing that 1 out of every 4 people you come across now in Cyrodiil is at an equal CP level.

Lol trust me that has nothing to do with it. I'm sure there's a group of 561s standing around somewhere I could 1vX but if you were to give them all 5x viper 2x Selene 5x Black Rose it may be a different story.

I'm sure there are. I'm sure there is also a group of 561s standing around with normal sets that you can't 1vX now but could this time last year when they were 96 CP VR9s.

PurifedBladez

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Adding, while the OP does point out a few things that are worth looking at, this thread reaks of L2Adjust.

It's an MMO. Metas change. Also, and this is just a guess ... but ... any chance the OP was a PC transfer? 800 CP is a lot, so I'm wondering how many of those 1vX moments were due to having a 1 year head start on many? It's amazing how many "I can't 1vX anymore" posts are blamed on broken sets instead of noticing that 1 out of every 4 people you come across now in Cyrodiil is at an equal CP level.

Lol trust me that has nothing to do with it. I'm sure there's a group of 561s standing around somewhere I could 1vX but if you were to give them all 5x viper 2x Selene 5x Black Rose it may be a different story.

I'm sure there are. I'm sure there is also a group of 561s standing around with normal sets that you can't 1vX now but could this time last year when they were 96 CP VR9s.

That's such small amount of the pvp population compared to the masses.