CP Passive Treasure Hunter

thedude33

Curious to what exactly this passive works on:
- open world chests ?
- Thief Troves ?
- Dolmen chests ?
- Lock Boxes in houses/merchants ?
- Treasure Maps

Just wondering if it's worthwhile to invest all those CPs

DigitalShibby

Only chests where you have to pick the lock I think.

Zvorgin

Believe it works on undaunted chests as well.

Artemiisia

I have heard that as well Zvorgin, im just not sure how it will work better there.

Will it raise the % to get divines or how, thats where Im getting lost, since you are already garanti a monster shoulder, some gems

brandonv516

What about the maelstrom chest on normal mode?

DigitalShibby

The CP passive doesn't raise your chance to get anything trait wise. It literally improves quality, meaning intermediate chests that would drop green will drop blue and advanced chests will drop purple. It also increases the chance for set items. As an example you'll see far more set pieces in simple chests then before. The way the treasure hunter passive works it wouldn't affect undaunted chests since those are looked at as a reward and not treasure and in those undaunted chests you are always guaranteed to get a set item. I think there is a big misconception that it some how gives more desirable traits a higher chance which isn't true.

Glurin

I still have yet to find a good, solid, confirmed and data backed answer to this question. Instead, I'm still left with many different answers, all of them stated with absolute certainty and several of them mutually exclusive with the others.

All I can tell you for sure is that it does something. I don't know what, but the overall quality of my chest loot does seem to have improved.

geonsocal

I find lots of chests, from what I can tell: simple chests make up only about 80% of the chests I find...the passive doesn't really help on all those simple chests...plus, it definitely does you little to no good in cyrodiil unless your doing dolmens...

I really wish the passive raised that 20% chance to get something better than a simple chest...

Acrolas

Treasure Chests gained from defeating a Dark Anchor have a 100% chance to drop a ring or amulet set piece from the zone they are located in.
The above is also true of Unstable Anomalies found in Craglorn.
Treasure chests found in the world have a chance to grant any set piece that can drop in that zone.
Simple chests have a slight chance of dropping an item set piece.
Intermediate chests have a good chance of dropping an item set piece
Advanced and Master chests have a guaranteed chance of dropping an item set piece.
If you have the Treasure Hunter Champion Passive, both the above chances and quality of an item will be improved."

Legerdemain now influences the quality of loot obtained from Justice activities.
* Higher skill ranks in Legerdemain provide a better chance to "find" higher quality items.
* This replaces the previous approach of higher level zones having a higher chance to obtain higher quality items.
* Similarly, the overall value of items from Thieves Troves is now based on your rank in the Thieves Guild skill line, with a higher rank providing an increased chance for more and higher quality items."


The things I'd add to that, at dolmens you get a jewelry piece but the passive doesn't automatically increase the quality. So you'll get green to purple set pieces but not non-set pieces. Master chests can also occasionally drop two set pieces. Treasure maps are affected, but because they don't have a set difficulty the results are unpredictable. But you will more than likely receive a set piece of some quality from them. The exception are the CE maps, which do not appear to be affected by the passive, yet.

thedude33

Looks like we have a winner !

Thanks for the info

ThePonzzz

To add, you'll never get a legendary (gold) piece with this passive. The original announce for the passive can be found in these patch notes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2398841/#Comment_2398841

sumisu1

The best you could get is purple. I've found it to be helpful to find purple rings of sets that take so long to farm. I also think with treasure maps the higher the number (ie. IV, V, VI) the better the gear. I've found some good stuff from Master chests.

FrancisCrawford

Bumping this to see what people's current experience-based thoughts are.

I'm particularly interested in chests in dungeons that I'm farming for a particular set item.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Bumping this to see what people's current experience-based thoughts are.

I'm particularly interested in chests in dungeons that I'm farming for a particular set item.

It's still the same, basically you want the passive on when farming

Aesthier

I currently run it when clearing out the treasure maps I have hoarded. Did provide a nice little increase in the quality of items I get back for dismantle.

Turelus

This and the "achievements count towards" Buoyant Armiger are the two things I wish ZOS would come out and give us some clear cut information on.

Too much speculations happens and people start to find patterns which they then insist are factual proof the system works the way they say. It's the dolmen bosses and pinions all over again.

FR0STDEE

I was wondering in a trial setup, if the person that unlocks the chest have the treasure hunter perk does everyone who opens the chest get better loot or do they have to have the perk to?

Asardes

From what I've seen it only works on locked chests, by increasing the odds of getting a set item from simple & intermediate lock chests, guaranteed set item from advanced and master ones often contain 2 pieces. It also increases the quality of the items you'll get, unless set by difficulty of the instanced content. For example in open world you'll get a blue item instead of green, but if you're picking a dungeon chest and it's on normal mode, the item will always be blue. Undaunted chests always contain a purple shoulder piece, so it won't affect those either.

FR0STDEE wrote: »

I was wondering in a trial setup, if the person that unlocks the chest have the treasure hunter perk does everyone who opens the chest get better loot or do they have to have the perk to?

The content is instanced per player so it will generated independently for each person looting that chests, regardless of who opens it.

I haven't seen any difference on domlen chests, and I haven't looted enough lock boxes to notice any difference either. Treasure troves & the chests gotten through treasure maps also seem unaffected. Mind that all traits are equal to the game engine, so in no case Treasure Hunter will directly increase the chances of getting divines instead of well fitted, but the doubling of loot on master chests will indirectly increase it. Specifically for Vvardenfell chests, Treasure Hunder passive increases the chance of looting Buoyant Armiger motif pages; at Morrowind launch it was bugged and it didn't do anything, but the developers have mentioned specifically that it was fixed in a later patch, i think CWC.

ccfeeling

Random is random .

Asardes

ccfeeling wrote: »

Random is random .

Actually the game doesn't use true random, since that will be very expensive. True random number generators using radioactive decay do exist but they are expensive and used for physics experiments, not software. Software applications generally use a polynomial algorithm that uses a few variables called seeds and after a number of iterations produce a pseudo-random number. Various things can be used as seeds, such as server time, char ID and various other things. The more independent seeds, the better the approximation of randomness. That's the RNG everybody complains about it.

But that pseudo-random number is used in various ways. Items are generated by a function that uses that number and samples it in various ways. Things like CP passives and other variables simply move the sampling intervals about. Let's say the pseudo-random number is X = 6578 and the sampling function is "IF X + A < 7000, then you get nothing, else you get loot function (X)" where A is another variable "Treasure Hunter" equal to 500. That means if A is active you will get something out of that draw, if it's 0 you won't get anything. Depending on the distribution of pseudo-random number X you will further get an item generated by loot function from by mapping the generated number in a pre-defined loot table. For example 6578 may mean "Burning Spellweave Inferno staff, infused" or "Embershield Dagger, precise".

freakmode84

Does the Treasure Hunter CP also affect chests in Trials?
If so, does it matter who picks the lock?
Say another person in the group without the passive picks the lock and I, with the passive, then open it

VaranisArano

Treasure Hunter raises the quality of the loot in treasure chests.
It works in dungeons, but only for you and it does not matter who opened the chest.

With the treasure hunter passive, you should get the following loot 100% of the time (tested with tons of chests):
Intermediate: 1 blue set piece, 1 blue non set piece
Advanced: 1 purple set piece, 1 blue non set piece
Master: 1 purple set piece, 2 blue non set pieces

Slick_007

it increases the gold inside a chest and the quality of the items. would not work on anything other than a treasure chest. possibly in some cases an extra item but that im not 100% sure on since not all chests give the same

Qbiken

brandonv516 wrote: »

What about the maelstrom chest on normal mode?

Can confirm that doesn´t work.

As far as I know it only works on chests that forces you to use a lockpick.

FrancisCrawford

Qbiken wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

What about the maelstrom chest on normal mode?

Can confirm that doesn´t work.

As far as I know it only works on chests that forces you to use a lockpick.

The only possible exception is dolmen chests. I used to think it helped with the jewelry quality from those; my more recent anecdotal experience, however, suggests it doesn't.

FrancisCrawford

freakmode84 wrote: »

Does the Treasure Hunter CP also affect chests in Trials?
If so, does it matter who picks the lock?
Say another person in the group without the passive picks the lock and I, with the passive, then open it

What affects your loot is whether or not you have the passive, not whether the chest-opener did (if that's somebody other than you).

Stinkyremy

DigitalShibby wrote: »

The CP passive doesn't raise your chance to get anything trait wise. It literally improves quality, meaning intermediate chests that would drop green will drop blue and advanced chests will drop purple. It also increases the chance for set items. As an example you'll see far more set pieces in simple chests then before. The way the treasure hunter passive works it wouldn't affect undaunted chests since those are looked at as a reward and not treasure and in those undaunted chests you are always guaranteed to get a set item. I think there is a big misconception that it some how gives more desirable traits a higher chance which isn't true.

This is the correct answer. it increases the quality of gear in overworld and treasure map chests. Ik very well as I made lots of cash doing maps at low cp.
it has no affect on dungeon, trial or undaunted gear.
no matter what, even if you found a master chest in a normal dungeon, it won't drop purple loot.

Blackbird_V

With Treasure Hunter enabled:

• Simple Chests become Intermediate > They give a good chance of giving a set item.
• Intermediate Chests become Advanced > Always drop a BLUE quality set item
• Advanced Chests become Master > Always drop a PURPLE quality set item
• Master Chests become Master + Intermediate > Always drop a PURPLE + BLUE (mostly) quality set items.

Cptacidtrip

ThePonzzz wrote: »

To add, you'll never get a legendary (gold) piece with this passive. The original announce for the passive can be found in these patch notes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2398841/#Comment_2398841

Ive gone over those patch notes a couple times and don't see where it says that. I guess I'm missing it.

When you say you will never get legendary pieces with this passive, do you mean it will never RAISE your chances of getting one or you just won't get any period from anywhere as long as you have it active?

VaranisArano

Cptacidtrip wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

To add, you'll never get a legendary (gold) piece with this passive. The original announce for the passive can be found in these patch notes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2398841/#Comment_2398841

Ive gone over those patch notes a couple times and don't see where it says that. I guess I'm missing it.

When you say you will never get legendary pieces with this passive, do you mean it will never RAISE your chances of getting one or you just won't get any period from anywhere as long as you have it active?

Gold jewelry and gear doesn't drop overland or dungeon chests, period. The best you'll ever get is purple, with or without the passive.

Those patch notes fixed an issue with treasure hunter. The One Tamriel patch notes describe how Treasure Hunter raises the chance of items and what normal chests contain. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294849/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-4-update-12-one-tamriel

Essentially, Treasure Hunter passive turns a simple chest into the same chance at set gear as an intermediate, intermediate to advanced, and so on.