There should be a reason field for kicking people... Or something

GawdSB

I mean I literally just entered Cradle of Shadows dungeon, they were on the final boss. I travel to them, I guess they didn't like I was only CP 366 and kicked me. Like at least ask what build am I run, or something. And now I have to wait 15 min just to queue again. What a lovely system we have...

kuro-dono

2 words> human trash. those who kick you, not you that is.

Jeremy

GawdSB wrote: »

I mean I literally just entered Cradle of Shadows dungeon, they were on the final boss. I travel to them, I guess they didn't like I was only CP 366 and kicked me. Like at least ask what build am I run, or something. And now I have to wait 15 min just to queue again. What a lovely system we have...

It is too easy to abuse in its current state. No doubt about it.

What they need is some way to prevent players who know each other from plotting together to troll others by kicking them for no good reason. I believe that is the root for most of these problems.

I've proposed what I would consider a fair solution - which is to give players who queue up together a single vote. That way they can't team up as a majority and force kick other players.

1mirg

"You've been kicked from this group due to the following reasoning:
Git Gud"

Requiring players to type out a reason for kicking will just result in that occurring. Unless you have to select from a premade list of reasons that is. I personally don't care either way, just stating the obvious is all here.

KochDerDamonen

In Demon's Souls you could comment and rate people who've phantomed for you, for the uninitiated it's a sort of drop-in coop system.

This would be nice, I think, maybe? Eh, I'd just be happy if people would stop shouting "elitist" and "noob" at eachother like ideologues.

rotaugen454

There should be a field for "Kicked because Argonian".
Stupid lizards...

GawdSB

1mirg wrote: »

"You've been kicked from this group due to the following reasoning:
Git Gud"

Requiring players to type out a reason for kicking will just result in that occurring. Unless you have to select from a premade list of reasons that is. I personally don't care either way, just stating the obvious is all here.

Yea I meant premade, options but obviously that can still abused just putting in any reason.

GawdSB

I just want a way to make it known that certain players are a-holes and keep them off the queue with other players since they're so selective and good they can just do it with their buddies. After a certain number of bad reports maybe from other players saying the same thing this should happen.

Eradrann

I've been kicked for stupid reasons. Mages are arrogant jerks I tell ya... most of them I've met at least. I wish players would realize there are roles for a reason. Me being a DPS makes me kinda squishy, so no I can't heal myself very well (let alone three other players), and if the tank isn't tanking, the boss or whoever marks me as the biggest threat and targets me. I've learned to not really care... sure it sucks people think you're trash when you aren't but whatever. People can take gaming too seriously.

Only issue I had being "kicked"... I did the random group up thing, took a while to find a group, as soon as it put me in, the leader disbanded the group. I then had to wait the 15 minutes before trying to find a group again.

DurzoBlint13

Eradrann wrote: »

I've been kicked for stupid reasons. Mages are arrogant jerks I tell ya... most of them I've met at least. I wish players would realize there are roles for a reason. Me being a DPS makes me kinda squishy, so no I can't heal myself very well (let alone three other players), and if the tank isn't tanking, the boss or whoever marks me as the biggest threat and targets me. I've learned to not really care... sure it sucks people think you're trash when you aren't but whatever. People can take gaming too seriously.

Only issue I had being "kicked"... I did the random group up thing, took a while to find a group, as soon as it put me in, the leader disbanded the group. I then had to wait the 15 minutes before trying to find a group again.

that was a bug that has been around for a while and ZOS refuses to address. You can not disband a GF group, only leave it.

mvffins

GawdSB wrote: »

I mean I literally just entered Cradle of Shadows dungeon, they were on the final boss. I travel to them, I guess they didn't like I was only CP 366 and kicked me. Like at least ask what build am I run, or something. And now I have to wait 15 min just to queue again. What a lovely system we have...

They probably kicked you because you were doing the same exact thing the person you were meant to replace was doing. Did you enter group chat and say hi? During Vet/DLC dungeons having someone not in chat is not a good sign.

GawdSB

mvffins wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

I mean I literally just entered Cradle of Shadows dungeon, they were on the final boss. I travel to them, I guess they didn't like I was only CP 366 and kicked me. Like at least ask what build am I run, or something. And now I have to wait 15 min just to queue again. What a lovely system we have...

They probably kicked you because you were doing the same exact thing the person you were meant to replace was doing. Did you enter group chat and say hi? During Vet/DLC dungeons having someone not in chat is not a good sign.

??? Doing the exact same thing the person before was doing? I just go there, we didn't fight or anything. It was, I arrived to where they were and before I could even ask their strategy or anything I was kicked.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

When i was below max cp i liked to offer sexual favors in chat right when i got in the dungeon.

Tryxus

And who says they're going to give a good reason for kicking you... or any reason at all?

Reason:
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GawdSB

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

When i was below max cp i liked to offer sexual favors in chat right when i got in the dungeon.

Haha.

Going to start doing this.

kargen27

Maybe the kick out option needs a cool down like feeding horses. You get one kick a day so use it wisely. Personally I think if a person has a problem with the make-up of the group they should just leave. Instead of initiating a vote to kick just get out.

AlMcFly

I don't usually kick people out, though I may start leaving the group early in the run if things are going really bad. I wasted three hours last night and all I completed were 2 1/2 normal mode dungeons because I was carrying my groups slowly through the dungeons and it was painful. As a full Templar-tank CP 210, I should NOT be putting out the most heals and dps of the group. Unfortunately, for three dungeon pugs in a row, I was. -_-

disintegr8

....... something.

Soleya

One improvement would be to not allow people to kick anyone for a period of time (say 5 minutes) after they join. It would meant you can't be kicked immediately after joining a dungeon. Probably wouldn't solve the issue but would give people a chance to prove they can do the content.

My friend was kicked from normal RoM the other day after joining with one of his level 44 character. He has over 800 CP, flawless conqueror and dro-mathra skin, so its not like he doesn't know how to play.

Also kicking someone from a normal dungeon is laughable. Most of them can be soloed by a decent player.

People also don't seem to understand how OP battle leveling can be. When I was leveling my DK recently, at level 24 her destro heavy attacks were hitting for 44k.

nordsavage

It is your own fault. Grind up to CP cap. Not being capped is just as bad as showing up without leveled skills, bad gear or no talent. At least get into the upper 400's or low 500's. Cradle of Shadows and the like are meant for end game not still leveling.

Get some Exp. pots and catch up. If I can be 300 CP over cap you can at least be near it. With enlightenment you can run a daily random and pledges and that should get you at least two a day just playing normal.

In your defense those guys sucked too and obviously lost or booted a teammate in frustration. So instead of wasting an hour of your life in a pug romp they did you a favor by removing you.

Never pug DLC runs or vet trials it is almost always not worth the hassle.

disintegr8

Being at CP cap does not make you any good. CP is easy to grind without you learning how to play or how to set up your character. Anyone who makes a decision to either kick or not kick a PUG player based on character level and/or CP should not be using group finder.

kargen27

I was looking to complete an armor set so ran Crypt of Hearts close to twenty times over a three day period (didn't get what I needed) with my healer. I used the group finder for each run. One run the tank was level 38 and the two DPS were lower. One was level 29. We made it through with no deaths. Later did a run with the lowest having more that 350 CP and they were dying all over the place. Maybe they were trying new rotations or something but it was bad.

For most runs I just did healing and buffs letting the others do the DPS and character levels never were really a sign of how that run would go. A couple of runs it was obvious the DPS was going to take forever so I stepped in and did some killing. For the most part though things went smooth and every group eventually finished. I was running 1 and 2 so I wouldn't get bored with the same thing over and over. The only real struggle we had was one person (he was on vet level character) just could not get the concept of staying apart and rolling out of the red on the last boss.

I also had a couple of people that thought it was the healers job to res downed characters. I think I convinced them it was preferred if a DPS did that while the healer kept them alive.

Kicking for level is silly, and can lead to missing out on a really good group.

mvffins

GawdSB wrote: »

??? Doing the exact same thing the person before was doing? I just go there, we didn't fight or anything. It was, I arrived to where they were and before I could even ask their strategy or anything I was kicked.

Did you enter voice chat or not? If you have time to port to the dungeon, and run all the way to the last boss you should've had enough time to atleast say hi. I use to not enter chats either, but when it came to the difficult stuff I started to and it made all the difference by strongly helping group dynamics/cooperation.

nordsavage

kargen27 wrote: »

Maybe the kick out option needs a cool down like feeding horses. You get one kick a day so use it wisely. Personally I think if a person has a problem with the make-up of the group they should just leave. Instead of initiating a vote to kick just get out.

Unanimous group consensus is enough of a requirement to remove a player.

sumisu1

"Jump failed, Instance Full"
"Jump failed, Instance Full"
"Jump failed, Instance Full"
"Jump failed, Instance Full"
"Jump failed, Instance Full"
"Voted to Kick You from Group"
"Unable to queue for another 15 minutes"

me: f****** a*******, fix this s***!

LordGavus

nordsavage wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Maybe the kick out option needs a cool down like feeding horses. You get one kick a day so use it wisely. Personally I think if a person has a problem with the make-up of the group they should just leave. Instead of initiating a vote to kick just get out.

Unanimous group consensus is enough of a requirement to remove a player.

I agree.
If you feel you're unfairly kicked then you either avoided a bad, unreasonable group or actually need to look closely at you playing.

In OP case, although you got the 15 min penalty, you probably just avoided 15 minutes of pain and frustration.
Joining a half finished pug dlc dungeon is never a good time in my experience.

kargen27

nordsavage wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Maybe the kick out option needs a cool down like feeding horses. You get one kick a day so use it wisely. Personally I think if a person has a problem with the make-up of the group they should just leave. Instead of initiating a vote to kick just get out.

Unanimous group consensus is enough of a requirement to remove a player.

I'm not arguing about reason or justification. I am saying it is used to often and needs to be limited. I would go so far to say in normal after a person has been off line for two minutes the group gets an option to replace but other than that no option to kick. Vet is different, going vet people need to know what to do or at least be willing to learn what to do. Even in vet I would say one kick a day is plenty.

GawdSB

nordsavage wrote: »

It is your own fault. Grind up to CP cap. Not being capped is just as bad as showing up without leveled skills, bad gear or no talent. At least get into the upper 400's or low 500's. Cradle of Shadows and the like are meant for end game not still leveling.

Get some Exp. pots and catch up. If I can be 300 CP over cap you can at least be near it. With enlightenment you can run a daily random and pledges and that should get you at least two a day just playing normal.

In your defense those guys sucked too and obviously lost or booted a teammate in frustration. So instead of wasting an hour of your life in a pug romp they did you a favor by removing you.

Never pug DLC runs or vet trials it is almost always not worth the hassle.

Huh? I should not do dungeons and end game content when I've completed the game until I reach cap CP? Kk.

GawdSB

mvffins wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

??? Doing the exact same thing the person before was doing? I just go there, we didn't fight or anything. It was, I arrived to where they were and before I could even ask their strategy or anything I was kicked.

Did you enter voice chat or not? If you have time to port to the dungeon, and run all the way to the last boss you should've had enough time to atleast say hi. I use to not enter chats either, but when it came to the difficult stuff I started to and it made all the difference by strongly helping group dynamics/cooperation.

No I don't just enter dungeons and say hi. I communicate when we're coming up with a plan, if I've ran the dungeon and want to explain it I'll ask everyone if they know the mechanics of the dungeon before I do. When someone enters into a dungeon I'm not turning my volume up to make sure they say hi or else I'll kick them. If this is actually a thing, I had no clue and nobody follows it.

GawdSB

LordGavus wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Maybe the kick out option needs a cool down like feeding horses. You get one kick a day so use it wisely. Personally I think if a person has a problem with the make-up of the group they should just leave. Instead of initiating a vote to kick just get out.

Unanimous group consensus is enough of a requirement to remove a player.

I agree.
If you feel you're unfairly kicked then you either avoided a bad, unreasonable group or actually need to look closely at you playing.

In OP case, although you got the 15 min penalty, you probably just avoided 15 minutes of pain and frustration.
Joining a half finished pug dlc dungeon is never a good time in my experience.

I just wanted the monster helm.

LordGavus

GawdSB wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Maybe the kick out option needs a cool down like feeding horses. You get one kick a day so use it wisely. Personally I think if a person has a problem with the make-up of the group they should just leave. Instead of initiating a vote to kick just get out.

Unanimous group consensus is enough of a requirement to remove a player.

I agree.
If you feel you're unfairly kicked then you either avoided a bad, unreasonable group or actually need to look closely at you playing.

In OP case, although you got the 15 min penalty, you probably just avoided 15 minutes of pain and frustration.
Joining a half finished pug dlc dungeon is never a good time in my experience.

I just wanted the monster helm.

Yeah it sucks. But I'm not sure that group would finish. If they are kicking players/players leaving on last boss, and blindly kicking cp300+ players I assume the group dynamics are screwed and/or they need someone to carry them.

I think you'd be better off forming a guild group or zone group for the purpose of a helm run.