More eye/hair colors in character creation

Vorkrunne

Surely even if it isn't "natural" to their race to have hair colors such as black or dark purple... we can simply say the character colored their hair.

The races of Tamriel already have the "technology" to dye clothes.

I would especially appreciate more shades of blue eye colors for Altmer.

Abeille

Tell me about it. I've been asking for black hair color for Altmer since beta

There are a few Altmer npcs in the game that have black hair, and a ton of them have blue eyes but I can't tell for sure if they are of a different shade. Many of the black haired Altmer are part of the Veiled Heritance, who are highly racist, so this can indicate that black hair isn't only natural occurring on Altmer but also not a result of mixed races.

Black hair is also available for them in Skyrim. It is available in Oblivion too but let's be honest, everything is available in Oblivion.

I repeated this many times by now, but I keep repeating it because there is always that one guy saying "but it isn't lore-friendly" when it is.

DeadlyPhoenix

They definitely need to add it, even if they choose to make it hair dyes in the crown store for a cheap price, one time use.

I would much rather them release it in a pack like with hair and adornments, allowing all natural hair colors to be used by any race similar to the way you can use different hair styles of different races with the crown pack.

Either that or take it a step further and allow us to use dye station dyes to change our hair color, locked behind ESO+ like the costume dye is.

I say this so it's practical, not asking for free stuff, allowing us to further our characters appearance and options while still allowing ZOS to make a profit off it so they'll actually put man hours into it.

Vorkrunne

I have no problem paying for extra hair and eye colors.

Whichever way they want to make profit out of it is fine by me.

I need a blue-eyed, dark purple or black haired altmer in my ESO life pretty please!

BlackWormDisciple

I know I'm a bit late to the party with this response, but I agree! Not just hair and eye color options though, I'd say more skintone options for some of the races at least - especially Imperials who are the most diverse of the Human races on Tamriel. Either that, or give them options similar to the Bosmer who, for some reason, have a lot of fair complexions when typically they're tanned or brown (sometimes green-tinted according to lore but usually the tanned range) to better match the numerous fair and pale Imperials walking around.

And as Abeille said, there are a number of Altmer NPCs that are walking around with dark hair - including racist members of the nationalist Veiled Heritance. And let's not forget that there have been Nords with black hair and dark eyes - both in previous games and I'm sure there's at least a few dark eyed Nord NPCs roaming around, as well as black haired. Even Imperials are affected by this with a lack of any true red hair - anyone remember Cicero the Jester? He was a pasty-skinned, redhaired Imperial, yet there's only one option for people and it's not even close to what a Breton has access to.

I've mentioned this stuff - especially the Imperial tidbits that still bothers me a bit - a fair share of times on here myself. NPCs in this game and previous games as a whole clearly show the traits are present in the race, so why limit players like this?

pattyLtd

Agreed and i'd like more make up options too.

Turelus

As long as we don't go with hot and vibrant colours I am fine with a little more colour.

I really don't want to see ESO look like SWTOR does now though where everything is rainbow coloured with disco lights.

BlackWormDisciple

Turelus wrote: »

As long as we don't go with hot and vibrant colours I am fine with a little more colour.

I really don't want to see ESO look like SWTOR does now though where everything is rainbow coloured with disco lights.

100% agreed - just the addition of more lore-friendly colors, and maybe things that would be plausible (just nothing that looks like it crawled out of Oblivion's character creation. I still get nightmares about some of those abominations.... not really ;P ) for the races.

But things that many NPCs seem to have exclusively that the player-made characters of those races lack we definitely need.

SanderBuraas

More options, as well as a separate colour for the eyebrows.

TheShadowScout

Oh, I definitely think this is something they should do. After all, we know that in tamriel, children of mixed races are the race of their mother, but with some featues of their father - nonstandard hair and eye colors would certainly qualify on that account, and thus should be possible. Even if its an "additional chargen oprions" unlock to buy in the crown store, I'd throw crowns at it in an heartbeat...

Abeille wrote: »

Tell me about it. I've been asking for black hair color for Altmer since beta

There are a few Altmer npcs in the game that have black hair, and a ton of them have blue eyes but I can't tell for sure if they are of a different shade. Many of the black haired Altmer are part of the Veiled Heritance, who are highly racist, so this can indicate that black hair isn't only natural occurring on Altmer but also not a result of mixed races...

Actually... it might still be a result of mixed races. Just... mixed elven races. After all, the altmer have taken in other elven survivors, for example from the ayleids and sinmer... and eventually assimilated them into their culture. It might easily be that black hair is a sinmer trait for example, it would fit their habitat in the alik'r before the yokudans killed most and drove out the last few survivors, right?

Historically of course there is one very, very well known personage who had black hair in an emo haircut and a paintbrush mustache but despite his own coloring was a complete "blond and blue eyed master race" racist, the very picture boy of racism actually... I always assume black haired and blue eyed racists are a slight nod at that villain from our own past... (psychologically speaking, his own misgivings about his percieved personal racial shortcomings may have fuelled his racial hatred - no reason something similar may be going on with some members of the veiled heritage, right?)

In any case, black haired altmer -clearly- are lore friendly. And thus the option to make them should be introduced. At an extra cost, to keep them from becoming too common, sure, but it should be there for those who really want it!

Turelus wrote: »

As long as we don't go with hot and vibrant colours I am fine with a little more colour.

I really don't want to see ESO look like SWTOR does now though where everything is rainbow coloured with disco lights.

Actually I would like to see those options too - but not as basic hair colors, but as an temporary "hair dye" system. To unqeuip automatically when falling into water...

Zaldan

Limited character creation options allows for greater Clown Store turnover and Style Parlor purchases

Imryll

I'd just like for the hairstyles and adornments I've purchased from the crown store to show up as options at character creation. With limited deletions and the inability to preview crown styles during character creation, it's really frustrating to try and create a face that will work with a desired hairstyle. Indeed I'm unlikely to purchase additional styles until this changes.

If the styles aren't intended to be real hairstyles, but only wigs, then surely (little as I'd like to see pink hair in Tamriel), it should be possible to dye them like costumes.

sumisu1

Yes more colours as long as they arent bright high vis looking with the ability to preview everything including gear to be crafted would be great. Also changing appearance while a vampire is annoying because you cannot see original eye or skin colour. More customization, but only if the uh servers can handle it I guess. If I recall, just as there are black hair altmer npcs there were npcs with different coloured festival hats, and it was said that the new life hats being undyeable was a bug and if so then it still hasnt been fixed. Crown store items need to come with a warning note/better descriptions.

Prof_Bawbag

That's one of the main issues I have with the character creator, the lack of facial feature options. For example, there is only 1 single nose template, eye template and so on. That's why almost every character in-game looks almost like the next one. There is zero variety. People may think their character looks unique, but there's only so much we can do with the same nose temple. Even adding in a 2nd template for all features would go a long way to solving the generic look of player created characters.

Vorkrunne

Zaldan wrote: »

Limited character creation options allows for greater Clown Store turnover and Style Parlor purchases

Except they aren't selling me the eye colors or hair colors I need.

I would be willing to pay for them

Abeille

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Actually... it might still be a result of mixed races. Just... mixed elven races. After all, the altmer have taken in other elven survivors, for example from the ayleids and sinmer... and eventually assimilated them into their culture. It might easily be that black hair is a sinmer trait for example, it would fit their habitat in the alik'r before the yokudans killed most and drove out the last few survivors, right?

I am aware, this is actually why my Altmer needs black hair. I envisioned her as having Ayleid blood, and that would be a trait that I want to be left on her family as result of that, even though I believe there is a good chance that non-mixed Altmer can have black hair occur naturally. I imagine that the Veiled Heritance would consider anyone that is not 100% Altmer, as in directly descended from the Aldmer that never left the Isles, as being "low born". They are not big fans of the Bosmer either, after all, so I doubt that they would be fine with any mixing, even if with other elves exclusively. It is just a theory, of course.

Also, just to address your point about villains with dark hair and blue eyes so you don't get the wrong idea about my Altmer, despite being an Altmer with Ayleid blood my Aerindel is the only one of my characters that isn't racist at all (she is currently teaching destruction magic and being the mother figure to a really untalented Nord girl, my Gyda).

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Actually I would like to see those options too - but not as basic hair colors, but as an temporary "hair dye" system. To unqeuip automatically when falling into water...

If this only happens to unnatural colors, I won't mind much. But if I am finally able to dye my character's hair black like it was supposed to be from the start, I'm going to be so, SO mad I might actually stop playing her. It is already awful enough to have to wear a hat at all times to avoid looking at her wrong-colored hair, having to also avoid water would kill her for me.

Fishoscandi

*cough* altmer *cough* black hair

max_only

I need a platinum blonde option for Bosmer. Thanks.

Grymmoire

*Le Sigh*

Probably coming to a Ca$h Crate near you soon; now that there is a demonstrated interest.

Osteos

Hopefully they sell them like the hairstyles pack. Every races hair color available. I love the on the go hairstyles. I tend to play around with different hairstyles while waiting for the inevitable afks during group content.


Come on @ZOS_JessicaFolsom it is time for @Abeille to get black hair for her Altmer

starkerealm

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

They definitely need to add it, even if they choose to make it hair dyes in the crown store for a cheap price, one time use.

I could be mistaken, but I think one hair dye got datamined. Black and seafoam green, I think.

No idea how that will work exactly, though. But moving forward, it wouldn't surprise me if we got hair, eye, and skin color packs.

ListerJMC

More eye colours would be awesome, there are at least 2 shades of brown eyes that Altmer NPCs have access to that we don't and it bothers me probably more than it should! I would love for my Altmer's brown eyes to be a bit darker than the gold-brown they are now.

I made this comparison a little while back: My character (left) has the darkest brown eyes available at creation for Altmer, but the NPC on the right has a darker shade and she's not the only one with it. My character's eyes do go that dark in certain lights while looking gold in others (such as below), but this NPC seems to have a true brown colour that we just can't get. There's also a really, really dark brown that some Altmer NPCs have that nearly looks black when it's dark.



More hair colours would be good too! As it's been said above I would love to give an Altmer black hair if it ever became an option, and a darker red might be nice too.

Edit: Fixed the poor picture quality.

TheShadowScout

Abeille wrote: »

I am aware, this is actually why my Altmer needs black hair. I envisioned her as having Ayleid blood, and that would be a trait that I want to be left on her family as result of that, even though I believe there is a good chance that non-mixed Altmer can have black hair occur naturally. I imagine that the Veiled Heritance would consider anyone that is not 100% Altmer, as in directly descended from the Aldmer that never left the Isles, as being "low born". They are not big fans of the Bosmer either, after all, so I doubt that they would be fine with any mixing, even if with other elves exclusively. It is just a theory, of course.

I would think that the main issue of the veiled heritage is the dilution of mer bloodlines and accompaning dissolution of aldmer traditions. Especially when it comes to the other races of the dominion - after all, khajiit are, well... cats, sort of, and legend has it that early bosmer may have a good deal of human blood in their lineage... check Monomyth: Altmeri; it says there:

Some had already fallen, like the Chimer, who listened to tainted et'Ada, and others, like the Bosmer, had soiled Time's line by taking Mannish wives.

That is what I see as the real point of dissent for all the veiled heritants - the races that "tainted" mer blood, be it through association with daedra (chimer) and eventual further tainting of their blood through azuras curse (dunmer); or complete transformation through daedric interference (orsimer); or intermarriage with humans and possibly even deer or some other woodland critters for all they know (bosmer; and yes, I am kidding with the last one, sorta ) - in their eyes, the altmer are the only "pure" mer race left in tamriel (after the sinmer and ayleids got wiped out by human races, and what a embarrassment that must be to recall for proud and racist mer) - and the only others with untainted blood in the vincinity are the maormer, which is why the veiled heritage seems to like to join forces with them.

So they would definitely accept black-haired sinmer or ayleid blood, because that was still "undiluted", and not accept redhaired "men-tainted" bosmer blood.

Be that as it may though... you definitely should be able to pay crowns to get black hair on your altmer character!!

Abeille wrote: »

Also, just to address your point about villains with dark hair and blue eyes so you don't get the wrong idea about my Altmer, despite being an Altmer with Ayleid blood my Aerindel is the only one of my characters that isn't racist at all (she is currently teaching destruction magic and being the mother figure to a really untalented Nord girl, my Gyda).

Not saying anything about -your- character. Just saying, there have been many racist villains using that coloration... thanks to adolph, it may have become something of a semi-clichee, which may have been what prompted the developers to add the higher then usual percentage of racist black haired altmer in the veiled heritage movement.

Abeille wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Actually I would like to see those options too - but not as basic hair colors, but as an temporary "hair dye" system. To unqeuip automatically when falling into water...

If this only happens to unnatural colors, I won't mind much. But if I am finally able to dye my character's hair black like it was supposed to be from the start, I'm going to be so, SO mad I might actually stop playing her. It is already awful enough to have to wear a hat at all times to avoid looking at her wrong-colored hair, having to also avoid water would kill her for me.

That idea should definitely be limited to dyes, as in, temporary hair colors. Be it dyein blonde hair black for a roleplay, or green...
But hair dyes are one thing, natural hair colors another, and I fully agree that altmer should be able to have naturally black hair - for a price. It would make a perfect crown unlock... allow a wider range of options for "halfbreed" characters. Black haired nords or altmer. Platinum blonde "ganguro" redguards. Whatever. More character options is always a good thing I'd say...

Hallothiel

So agree about black hair for Altmer. Seems ridiculous that it's not available when Altmer npcs have it.

(Not everyone wants to make a legolas clone you know)

Agis

There isn't any true orange hair (ginger), the orange is mostly red-ish or just brown.

magnusthorek

I know right, but don't worry there's No ETA™ for the moment because of an Outstanding Bug™ and severe DDoS attacks™ from unhappy players, but Soon™ in Crown Store next to you.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AFrostWolf

I'm sure I was able to have black hair Nords in the previous games.... I want my different color hairs back.

Abeille

AFrostWolf wrote: »

I'm sure I was able to have black hair Nords in the previous games.... I want my different color hairs back.

You were, I made one in Skyrim. And there are nord npcs in ESO with black hair too.

Also, Khajiit can't have red hair despite Khajiiti npcs having it (like, well, Raz of all people!), neither can Imperials, and Bosmer have no pure white available either. All of these colors are available to NPCs and not to players.

Another thing. When a Khajiit has black hair and wears some of the Crown Store hair styles (the ones with straight textures), it looks blue-ish instead of black.

treadwyckb14a_ESO

This was something that disappointed me at launch; no black hair for Nords? I'd be willing to pay ~200 crowns for hair colors so hopefully since they've added the ability to hot swap hair styles, markings, adornments, etc this in coming down the pike soon. It's a better solution than adding it to character generation, which for those of us with established characters would cost 1000 crowns to redo our appearance.

I just hope they don't go crazy with hair colors and keep it lore-friendly. Right now, opening up all hair colors across all races seems the quickest and best option. Same with eye colors though I'm relatively happy where that's concerned.

Would like darker lips for my Vamp though...

flguy147ub17_ESO

Would love to be able to change the color of Tattoos especially face tattoos. Just make a palette for it. I may love a face tattoo but hate the color for my character so i wont use it.

heaven13

Abeille wrote: »

Also, just to address your point about villains with dark hair and blue eyes so you don't get the wrong idea about my Altmer, despite being an Altmer with Ayleid blood my Aerindel is the only one of my characters that isn't racist at all (she is currently teaching destruction magic and being the mother figure to a really untalented Nord girl, my Gyda).

I love popping into chats and seeing your discussions about your characters! They seem so loved and cared for.

I also would support more hair/eye colors. When I got a new account (long story, but it's on here somewhere), I had to remake my characters. I originally was going to have a redheaded Imperial, but there was no true option for that. Instead, my Breton became a redhead and lost her dark brown locks so I could have at least one redheaded child.

I'd also love a character creation screen with decent, true (or at least truer) to game lighting. -_-

And basic makeup selections with basic color palettes rather than just a single color choice for a makeup style. Only my Redguard wears lipstick (because the pale, non makeup shiny lips looked weird on her) but the rest have no makeup at all.

I should stop now. I think I could continue growing this list almost indefinitely! lol