A question about the future of console

eso_lags

Ok so im not sure if this is a good place to ask but emails to support havent helped, and i couldnt find any other posts about this, its just a simple question with a little extra input. First let me say this is an amazing game, prob the best mmo on console and one of the best ever made, and i fully grasp how much goes into it. I mean i look around at all the intricate things in pve and the many areas and its obvious how much goes into this game. And now with housing coming even so much more. But my question is, is there any news or any plans to fix the lag in pvp on console? i am on xbox one and i can tell you, as hundreads of others say to me or in area chat, this game is ( at alot of times ) un playable on xbox one in cyrodil. Pvp is stale right now, and i understand why, theres alot of other things to do, and this causes players to end up in similar areas in cyrodil, 50+ players around a keep or similar area fighting. Now its worse in a full campaign when theres a 100 person que, however it is not specific to any campaign and happens everywhere. I mean at times it looks like its 3 fps, abilites not working or not going off til 3 4 5 seconds after you hit them, potions not working after a few trys, even dodge rolls fail somtimes. it gets very choppy. And people i speak to on PS4 say its just as bad if not worse. I mean this is why i got the game, this is one of the biggest parts of the games and latley it seems you re pushing the game more twords group play. Well i play solo, and with all the things stacked against a solo player (eye of the flame, proc sets, 20 man groups chasing me down) i can tell you that lag is the worst. you can outplay people, even groups of people, but you cant do that when the game that you've taken so long to learn how to play very well wont allow you to use half the abilities and moves and combos your trying to. I mean ii watch PC streamers and the lag is nowhere near as bad. Also if the answer is the xbox one s or the scorpio comin next year then let me know, and at least i can plan on getting one of those. But have a 300$ router that gives me 125 mbs on my xbox ( i played this game for a long time with 20 to 40mbs lag free but this was like 8 months ago). This was a little rant but again all that aside the only things im asking for a response to is this; Are there any plans to fix the lag on console in cyrodil, and if i need one of the newer consoles thats fine, and im sure others would understand as i do, this is a complex game, but if its somthing you guys are working on we would like to know. either way thank you for a great game.

andreasranasen

They always say they're working on fixing lag in Cyro. But i highly doubt it's coming soon. If it's real laggy, stay in less populated campaigns.

P.S That's a huge block of text right there. Break it down a little so it's easier to read

Brrrofski

andreasranasen wrote: »

They always say they're working on fixing lag in Cyro. But i highly doubt it's coming soon. If it's real laggy, stay in less populated campaigns.

P.S That's a huge block of text right there. Break it down a little so it's easier to read

Problem on Xbox EU, there's now only one campaign to play

LinearParadox

^ Screenshot of OP's post.

On a less sarcastic note, the best I can offer you has already been said;

andreasranasen wrote: »

They always say they're working on fixing lag in Cyro. But i highly doubt it's coming soon. If it's real laggy, stay in less populated campaigns.

They claim to be trying to fix the lag, but honestly I'm not sure it's really even possible, and I'm not certain that it's a fault of the devs either. This game is seriously intensive, and while the netcode can be optimized and such, the biggest contributor of lag is simple a ton of people taking a ton of actions very quickly all in one place, and that's never going to change.
Also keep in mind that lots of things need to be authenticated by the server; position, resources, cooldowns, etc, to avoid the debacle of cheats. That creates network congestion no matter how perfectly things are optimized, it's just a matter of how much.

Uriel_Nocturne

There's a couple of things to keep in mind, OP.

1) We just got done with a "festival" (or it's winding down at least) where everyone on all platforms was crammed into Eastmarch, thus creating "Lag-Spikes of Wall-Head-Banging +5 vs. Gamers".

2) I have Google Fiber where I live, and I still experience lag. Some background detail, I have a 3Tb external HDD that holds all the games for my Xbox One, except for ESO. I have a similar set-up for my PS4, and the only game on either Console's HDD's is ESO. Regardless of Console and a 1Gb internet speed, I still suffer lag.

Why? Because each console is limited/"optimized" for a maximum speed of data input to the Consoles. So regardless of how fast my internet, the Consoles themselves limit the rate of data coming into the system.

It is also for this reason that game downloads and update/patch downloads will only ever go so fast. On the flip side, PC's do not have this limitation. The internet is received and processed as fast as the processing power of the PC will allow. That's the trade-off between gaming on a PC vs. Gaming on a Console.

With a PC, you get unrivaled power and speed, but after a certain amount of time, your specs may not be up to snuff for the latest games.
With a Console, you sacrifice a bit of power and processing speed for games that are guaranteed to run on every current Console system, as they're all mass-produced with certain baseline specs. When the time comes to upgrade, rather than buying individual parts like you would on a PC, you simply buy a new Console that has all the necessary upgrades already optimized for the new Console generation.

3) The Lag isn't just in Cyrodiil, though it is significantly worse/more noticeable in Cyrodiil. ZOS keeps towing the same line about fixing the lag in Cyrodiil, but it is very likely that this is an issue that will never fully be solved.

4) There is definitely issues with their servers. I don't want to give ZOS an "easy out" and allow them to say that "it must be you, because it definitely isn't us", even though that is the most common response from them. Their "megaservers" are having trouble with the loads placed upon them, and regardless of the limitation of the Consoles I listed above, PC's do not have those limitations and still suffer from soul-crushing lag quite a bit. So an equal amount of the blame goes to ZOS and their servers.

In conclusion; I feel your pain, as do many other people. I only go into Cyrodiil for Skyshard hunting and various PvE Quests in that zone, but the lag is noticeable even when one isn't engaged in the Alliance War in any way. The Lag, soul-crushing loading screens, Crash-to-Dashboard... all of these are present throughout the game, and not limited to Cyrodiil.

So, you are not alone. I hope that ZOS is genuinely working on these issues, and I could deal with pushing back any DLC or Expansions a little bit if that's what it takes to help give them the time needed to work out these server/lag issues.

andreasranasen

LinearParadox wrote: »

^ Screenshot of OP's post.

On a less sarcastic note, the best I can offer you has already been said;

andreasranasen wrote: »

They always say they're working on fixing lag in Cyro. But i highly doubt it's coming soon. If it's real laggy, stay in less populated campaigns.

They claim to be trying to fix the lag, but honestly I'm not sure it's really even possible, and I'm not certain that it's a fault of the devs either. This game is seriously intensive, and while the netcode can be optimized and such, the biggest contributor of lag is simple a ton of people taking a ton of actions very quickly all in one place, and that's never going to change.
Also keep in mind that lots of things need to be authenticated by the server; position, resources, cooldowns, etc, to avoid the debacle of cheats. That creates network congestion no matter how perfectly things are optimized, it's just a matter of how much.

Dude i just spit out my water. So funny xD

Beware13

@itzTJ the newer console does little to nothing for the lag. I just got the new Xbox One S and I still have crazy lag in PVE and PVP. I lag out in trials and I lag out in pvp (I also have fairly good internet).

It's honestly ridiculous how bad the lag is on console. I go and pvp on PC and I barely notice the lag there. Honestly it's getting really close to the point of being unplayable/unenjoyable on console and that really sucks considering the time and money put into the game.

If they aren't going to fix the lag on console they should at least let us transfer our account to PC.

PurifedBladez

They need organised small scale pvp to bandaid the performace.

Prof_Bawbag

I went on the xbox tonight (having moved to the PS4 a good while ago) and I was shocked at how bad the general loading times etc are compared to the PS4. I'm not even talking about PvP either, so I'd hate to see how bad things are in Cyrodiil.

eso_lags

now that i think of it, breaking it up might have been a good idea thanks for the insight though. So i take it they have said they will fix it in the past then? But have they been specific to console.

jedtb16_ESO

the future for consoles?

one moment......

let me peer into the mystic depths of my 4k g-sync 2x titan powered crystal thingummyjig......

oh..... perhaps you are better not knowing.

eso_lags

@Beware13 YES i sent them a email and asked if transferring was possible because honestly i dont see the harm in letting people go to pc, i already own it on pc as well so whats the difference. it just gets so aggravating in pvp.. people invest a lot into this game and it seems to be spiraling down latley. Maybe it will be better with the scorpio thing but its doubtful.

eso_lags

@Beware13 oh, meant to say they never answered me about transferring either

Beware13

@itzTJ Like....would they rather have people leave the game for good OR let them transfer and have them continue to play (and spend money) on the game. I think they should have a limited "open enrollment" type of process to allow people to transfer if they want to. Personally, I have already started on PC and I'm at around 300 CP but it's so hard to leave a full account behind where I have grinded for gear and skills and all that jazz. I know some people may try to abuse the open enrollment but honestly, it'll save the population of the game imo.

Edit: I don't think they've mentioned anything about it being a possibility

eso_lags

@Beware13 ya i think it would, at least save alot of pvp players that are sick of it. if another really good mmo comes to console a lot of people might leave. i know alot of people who left to play ark, some came back some didn't. And i started a char on pc but i couldn't find anyone to craft training gear so i gave it up for the time being lmao. But ya that would be a great idea, tbh i feel like zos listens to very few if any of this games players.

eso_lags

@jedtb16_ESO lmao

PurifedBladez

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I went on the xbox tonight (having moved to the PS4 a good while ago) and I was shocked at how bad the general loading times etc are compared to the PS4. I'm not even talking about PvP either, so I'd hate to see how bad things are in Cyrodiil.

After not having played for close to 3 months on xbox I was disappointed when I came back. The performance seems to have gotten worse in that short of a span even while the numbers in pvp have continued to drop.

I think cyrodiil might continue to keep getting worse till its completely unplayable. Not saying it's not almost there already. I just don't understand how players can continue to play and zerg so hard after something as stupid as AP with all the harm it does to the performance of pvp. Always in chat talking about how big a tick they just got.. I mean who cares really when the whole fight was just a slideshow. Not to mention that a massive amount of players might of been disconnected in the chaos. Ending the battle and giving you a huge tick you don't entirely deserve. The players with way more rank then me but half my kills. I hate it lol.

*** I don't even really know why I'm playing again. I guess I just love to find that niche where eso pvp really can shine. To think we complained about the lag back then lol..

eso_lags

@PurifedBladez i know! the worst i saw was around thieves guild update when i literally couldn't play for more than 30 min without crashing and then taking a good 30 min to get back into the game. But that was short lived.