Proc Sets no longer crit - Is this good?

Vaoh

Proc sets will no longer Crit in U13. This applies to both PvE and PvP. It is a hotly debated topic.

What do you think about this change?

palmsaresweaty

Unsure until PTS

For PvP its not one proc set critting that usually gets you killed, its getting hit with 3 different procs by one person that makes it broken. Idk why they didn't go for the global cooldown idea, wouldve been much better imo.

mtwiggz

Other

Stealing my own post from another thread that is nearly identical to this one.

mtwiggz wrote: »

Proc sets as a whole need a look at, individually.

Skoria many patches ago was over performing. The developers looked into the set and gave it a nerf, not every single other proc set in the game. Low and behold they did indeed over nerf Skoria, but at least in that instance they took the proper path.

Not all proc sets are over performing. So not all proc sets should be changed with a blanket fix. Removing critical hits from proc sets will hurt magicka builds, who are already struggling, more so than it will hurt stamina builds that are ruling the playing field.

This is a very bad decision from @ZOS_RichLambert and @Wrobel that should not make it to PTS, let alone make it to live. Something else needs to be done. Longer time between procs, lower damage, etc. on the sets that are blatantly over performing. Then leave the sets that are performing fine alone.

It would help if ZoS would actually hot fix things as well. Not just leave broken mechanics in the game for 3-4 months waiting for a major patch. It's pathetic.

SnubbS

I'm still going to get one bursted by StamNBs from stealth unless I'm on a Sunshield or a Heavy Armor char -- so it really doesn't even matter to me. Oh no -- his viper only hit for 4.5k instead of 6.5k, what a nerf.

DigitalShibby

Unsure until PTS

This forum community has a large collection of panicky people who freak out anytime change is introduced, the ones willing remain calm and let things play out and then discuss outcomes are becoming more rare.
Only going to be another hundred proc set threads between now and then lol

SublimeSparo

Bad for both PvE and PvP

It wont fix proc stacking in pvp and will be an annoyance in pve.
There are what 7or8 proc sets over perfoming? Instead of adjusting these they blanket nerf about 50 sets, and the chances of them then adjusting the 42/3 that will need adjusting is slim to none, as what would be the point in doing it this way round, and not the other

Bisenberger96

Bad for both PvE and PvP

The main reason I say it's bad for pvp is because I don't think it will make much of a difference, as proc stacking and overpowered individual sets are the issues at hand, not critting procs. The devs should introduce a better solution, such as a universal cooldown on procs in pvp only and nerfs to individual sets that cause problems and are overpowered. Bahrara's curse, leeching plate, and mephala's hand and are all examples of underperforming proc sets that I've seen used in pvp. These should not be part of this poorly thought out blanket nerf.

As for pve, there is absolutely no reason this change should be implemented. Certain proc sets (grothdar and velidreth mainly) are a bit too strong, but removing crit on every proc set in pve is not the answer. This punishes coordinated groups who run proc sets, as they have higher warhorn and major force uptimes. In addition, it also renders useless or severely handicaps many of the sets players have worked hard to get and the team at zenimax worked hard to create. Lastly, this change will adversely affect already mediocre/underperforming proc sets used in pve just as this blanket nerf will negatively affect weaker/non-meta proc sets used in pvp.

Browiseth

Other

it likely won't have much effect on pvp, but will massively alter the pve metagame once again

like always, we can't have small, incremental changes, but rather have to deal with hamfisted knee jerk reaction changes to the game for four months

Doctordarkspawn

Bad for both PvE and PvP

Meh.

The change on it's own is just...bad, not satisfying the PVP complaint and pointlessly nerfing PVE by a small ammount because 'overperforming', as if the people advocating that position give a flying *** about PVE balance.

Honestly it matters very little, and I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. But unless changes are being made to the sets individually, or how they function, this is just a pointless change. I'm waiting for them to prove me wrong but I dont think they will.

Rohamad_Ali

Unsure until PTS

We do need the full update 13 patch notes on TC before making a 100% accurate prediction , however my gut tells me this will do little to impact the situation in PvP and just really annoy PVE players to no end . Wish there was an option to just individually address each one really .

We are at the mercy of ZOS once again my friends ...

Silver_Strider

Unsure until PTS

I'm waiting til PTS but I'm honestly not seeing what the bellyaching is all about.

Yes, it's going to cause a DPS loss but how much DPS do you honestly need to clear the majority of this game's content? People were still clearing vMoL before 1T and all these new powerful proc sets where a thing and while the old Proc sets that were used back then aren't as useful anymore, the new ones add a whole lot more to your DPS so even with this nerf, those sets are still a DPS gain overall, crit or not.

My real concern is PvP. This change won't instantly make PvP better, not by a long shot. It might mean the TTK ratio might be extended an extra second but really that's hardly much of an achievement. I'm hoping for more changes in the real patch notes that will really affect PvP in a positive way.

alephthiago

Unsure until PTS

Chill the *bunnies* out and stop freaking out before they even release complete patch notes

Doctordarkspawn

Bad for both PvE and PvP

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I'm waiting til PTS but I'm honestly not seeing what the bellyaching is all about.

Yes, it's going to cause a DPS loss but how much DPS do you honestly need to clear the majority of this game's content? People were still clearing vMoL before 1T and all these new powerful proc sets where a thing and while the old Proc sets that were used back then aren't as useful anymore, the new ones add a whole lot more to your DPS so even with this nerf, those sets are still a DPS gain overall, crit or not.

My real concern is PvP. This change won't instantly make PvP better, not by a long shot. It might mean the TTK ratio might be extended an extra second but really that's hardly much of an achievement. I'm hoping for more changes in the real patch notes that will really affect PvP in a positive way.

How is not being happy about being nerfed for the sake of a change, that isn't even doing what it was supposed to do, hard to understand?

It's the principle. The principle of being *** on for an ineffective solution that people are only trying to justify after the fact. S'not hard to understand. Maybe people just dont want to.

Sigtric

Unsure until PTS

I think it is a single step in the long path towards the right direction.

We simply don't have enough information on the rest of the upcoming balance changes to know anything for sure.

I do feel dps is running rampant right now and despite the tears, reigning it in some is not going to actually hurt anyone

Gilvoth

Other

in PvP removing or adding crit does nothing because we have the trait "impen" on our armor that makes crit mean almost nothing.

right now, under current circumstances and build[s'] in PvP, removing the "crit" will not make any difference.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Let's wait for the PTS when it's too late for ZOS to change anything because ZOS usually pushes to live about 2 weeks after PTS without giving themselves enough time to do any real change based on feedback other than a few bandaid fixes.

Joy_Division

Bad for both PvE and PvP

Plz stop blanket nerfs ZoS.

Silver_Strider

Unsure until PTS

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I'm waiting til PTS but I'm honestly not seeing what the bellyaching is all about.

Yes, it's going to cause a DPS loss but how much DPS do you honestly need to clear the majority of this game's content? People were still clearing vMoL before 1T and all these new powerful proc sets where a thing and while the old Proc sets that were used back then aren't as useful anymore, the new ones add a whole lot more to your DPS so even with this nerf, those sets are still a DPS gain overall, crit or not.

My real concern is PvP. This change won't instantly make PvP better, not by a long shot. It might mean the TTK ratio might be extended an extra second but really that's hardly much of an achievement. I'm hoping for more changes in the real patch notes that will really affect PvP in a positive way.

How is not being happy about being nerfed for the sake of a change, that isn't even doing what it was supposed to do, hard to understand?

It's the principle. The principle of being *** on for an ineffective solution that people are only trying to justify after the fact.

Even if it's not an effective solution, there really isn't a reason to be upset about this change. The threshold that a DPS needs to meet in order to complete even the hardest content in this game can still be met without those Proc sets. You say it's principle whereas I see it as people just crying about how much smaller their Epeen became.

sneakymitchell

Remember guys the damage will increase of each set but who knows. Proc set meta needs to be tune down and u need to use ur skills instead of relying on ur proc to do everything for u.

sneakymitchell

mtwiggz wrote: »

Stealing my own post from another thread that is nearly identical to this one.

mtwiggz wrote: »

Proc sets as a whole need a look at, individually.

Skoria many patches ago was over performing. The developers looked into the set and gave it a nerf, not every single other proc set in the game. Low and behold they did indeed over nerf Skoria, but at least in that instance they took the proper path.

Not all proc sets are over performing. So not all proc sets should be changed with a blanket fix. Removing critical hits from proc sets will hurt magicka builds, who are already struggling, more so than it will hurt stamina builds that are ruling the playing field.

This is a very bad decision from @ZOS_RichLambert and @Wrobel that should not make it to PTS, let alone make it to live. Something else needs to be done. Longer time between procs, lower damage, etc. on the sets that are blatantly over performing. Then leave the sets that are performing fine alone.

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*cough* *cough* destro ult *cough* *cough*

ssewallb14_ESO

Other

-Ruins the sets for PvE, where they weren't a problem
-Doesn't address stacking multiple proc sets
-Doesn't address the problem of them not scaling with damage stats, only CP
-Viper, Velidreth, and Tremorscale are still generally overtuned (though I'm hoping they get specific nerfs)

I'm pretty disappointed with this solution, I'm guessing it was just the easiest to implement. I don't think the full potential of these sets has been realized yet either. The fact that they ignore damage stats can be taken advantage of in a number of potentially broken ways.

I might just make a proc build at this point if this is the final solution.

Sigma957

Unsure until PTS

Will have to wait until pts to see what impact it will have but over all it should balance the game more. I don't see having no crit on proc sets as a setback( you will still get a baseline damage/heal plus what ever cp they use) this is my opinion.

Kram8ion

Unsure until PTS

Well we are suckers for tid bits from the devs it's totally their plan and have to admit they're very good at it

KEEP CALM

AND WAIT FOR

PATCH NOTES

RebornV3x

Great for both PvE and PvP

Step in the right direction but not what I was hoping for

Enslaved

Great for PvP, but bad for PvE

If it would be as written, it will be great for PvP. Sets will still have their use, but some of broken ones such as viper, grothdarr, infernal guardian, tumorscale etc. will have about 20-30% less impact on the outcome of the battles. On the small scale it will benefit all, on the large scale it might be more beneficial to TS zergs, but we are yet to see that.

In PvE, it will have huge impact on non HC players for sure. Some of the content will be harder now, that does not mean it would be a bad thing, maybe some of the older sets (monster helms) will be viable again, we will see. And for all those who already did all that is to be done in PvE before 1T or SotH, proc nerf will have no significant impact on their PvE experience. Well, maybe a bit slower vMA clears, for solo, or trials for groups.

Only thing I would like to remain unchanged is how heal sets work in PvE.