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How to stop gambling crates destroying your company image.
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The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
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✭✭✭✭✭...So you just want an Apex mount for 5000 crowns. Got it.
I'm sure most people who favor direct purchase would be willing to pay more than that if given the option, but simply won't tolerate gambling for every little thing. That said, OP's idea won't work as-is, given the gem price differences. It would be easier to make it available for direct purchase with unique Crown prices that reflect the typical pricing scheme. Or (more likely) a slightly increased cost to offset the potential loss from people not buying in to the gambling scam. The scambling, if you will.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭Can we drop this "won't some one think of the gambling addicts", BS. It's a guilt trip to support your opinion. You really don't give a rat's ass about helping them.
It's a tale of corporate greed vs consumers who demand more at as close to free as possible. No one is without blame here.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭...So you just want an Apex mount for 5000 crowns. Got it.
No, you clearly don't. That's OK though.
What I actually said was "somewhere around" 5000. As others point out, people that support legit business over predatory gambling would gladly pay even more for that at a flat rate.
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✭It's not even corporate greed, it's creating a sustainable and ongoing microtransaction system that can bring in revenue. These things work for a reason. The crown crate at 400 crowns gives you immediate value if you're purchasing crowns for consumables to begin with. They know most people aren't in it for them (the consumables), but this is where the gambling worries are washed away and the microtrans comes into play.
As for the direct to consumer purchase, you can assume the Apex mount can be as much as $200 or as little as $4. Personally, crown crates gave me something to use my monthly crowns on for the first time other than a costume/mount every now and then.Edited by ThePonzzz on December 23, 2016 5:17PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can we drop this "won't some one think of the gambling addicts", BS. It's a guilt trip to support your opinion. You really don't give a rat's ass about helping them.
It's a tale of corporate greed vs consumers who demand more at as close to free as possible. No one is without blame here.
Yes, I do. I have friends who's families have been ruined because of low self esteem leading to isolation and gambling as a way to feel like they can take control of their life even though they are leveraged by debt.
Who are you to say what people do and don't care about? Or is it just difficult for some people to understand how anyone could actually have EMPATHY and COMPASSION for their fellow human beings?
I am against predatory marketing on moral AND ethical grounds.
I challenge anyone to tell me different.
Edited by Phinix1 on December 23, 2016 5:17PM4 -
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✭I thought people already forgot about the crown crates...I think I was wrong.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭...So you just want an Apex mount for 5000 crowns. Got it.
No, you clearly don't. That's OK though.
What I actually said was "somewhere around" 5000. As others point out, people that support legit business over predatory gambling would gladly pay even more for that at a flat rate.
So if the Apex mount was 20,000 crowns, you'd be all good?0 -
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As it is right now you can spend that many crowns and never get it....So you just want an Apex mount for 5000 crowns. Got it.
No, you clearly don't. That's OK though.
What I actually said was "somewhere around" 5000. As others point out, people that support legit business over predatory gambling would gladly pay even more for that at a flat rate.
So if the Apex mount was 20,000 crowns, you'd be all good?0 -
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✭Oh, sorry, I didn't agree with you. I can see how you're bored.
The whole gambling argument is false. Go to a casino and tell me how many times you get some sort of prize no matter how much you feed a machine or play at the tables. Here, you always get something. You might not like what they gave you, but you got something.
As for the ~20000 amount, if you do the conversions of items to crown gems, you can get it in roughly ~20000 or sooner.1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The way to stop the crates from ruining the company's reputation is to do the opposite of what MMO companies usually do and actually put the revenue generated by crates back into the game in order to improve it.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Mitoice✭✭✭✭✭Dont be ridiculous, OP, this isnt hurting anything, the crown crates just provide with cosmetic stuff, many which are even ugly or pointless like the storm memento. Im happy theyre making money without using P2W, cause that means the game will contine to grow, if this game stops making good money the game will eventually become stagnant. So people stop your gambling rant cause it isnt working, there are people who feel this is a good thing for the game, after receiving a big patch for free (One Tamriel)
Gambling rant people think that ZOS developers work for free....1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ha! I just was just wondering yesterday why we haven't had a good "but my gambling addiction" post about crown crates in a while.
Pro Tip: You don't have to buy them and you don't need a lightning mount.
And before the sobbing tears about me not understanding gambling addiction come as a reply, I used to pay my rent playing poker. Get at me the next time you lose $600 on an inside straight flush draw.
Just use some self control.2 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dont be ridiculous, OP, this isnt hurting anything, the crown crates just provide with cosmetic stuff, many which are even ugly or pointless like the storm memento. Im happy theyre making money without using P2W, cause that means the game will contine to grow, if this game stops making good money the game will eventually become stagnant. So people stop your gambling rant cause it isnt working, there are people who feel this is a good thing for the game, after receiving a big patch for free (One Tamriel)
Gambling rant people think that ZOS developers work for free....
The problem with RNG Boxes in MMOs is when they make so much money that they become the main source of revenue and the business plan changes to F2P plus boxes, and the resources are reallocated to the development of stuff to put in the boxes instead of in the development of the game.
This happens pretty often in the MMO industry, and the person hired to introduce them to ESO is specialized in F2P transition strategies like this one. Games can stay on life support for quite a long time with this kind of business model, which is fine if you are okay with just having the servers open, but it sucks for people that hope for new content of acceptable quality to be delivered at a reasonable pace.
Let's hope ZOS isn't planning to put ESO on life support and move on to a new project. It would be sad if the one MMO of my favourite franchise ended up like so many others before it.Edited by Abeille on December 23, 2016 6:09PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
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✭Can we drop this "won't some one think of the gambling addicts", BS. It's a guilt trip to support your opinion. You really don't give a rat's ass about helping them.
It's a tale of corporate greed vs consumers who demand more at as close to free as possible. No one is without blame here.
Yes, I do. I have friends who's families have been ruined because of low self esteem leading to isolation and gambling as a way to feel like they can take control of their life even though they are leveraged by debt.
Who are you to say what people do and don't care about? Or is it just difficult for some people to understand how anyone could actually have EMPATHY and COMPASSION for their fellow human beings?
I am against predatory marketing on moral AND ethical grounds.
I challenge anyone to tell me different.
You call Crown Crates predatory as if ZOS is analyzing the digital fingerprints of users to identify addictive personality outliers and emailing those users 100's of times a day. There not.
You want to play the empathy and compassion blame game? You're arguing about the luxury of digital experience that billions in the world could only dream of as they starve to death. Here's the thing, suffering is not something that is easily measured. However it is often used to manipulate the situation in order achieve a desired outcome.
So what are you doing to help people suffering from gamble addiction, then? Or are you only mentioning them when it aligns with a hobby that you enjoy? I wager there is little follow through for your conviction, cause you've got a lot of time to play video games and *** and moan on the forums. You're not likely contacting government bodies or regulatory commissions about this. You're not launching social media campaigns and starting hashtags. I bet there is no change.org petition with your name on it, either.
You really feel as strongly as you profess, actually do something about it.
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✭The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
They already ruined the age when they put a skin in the IC dlc and resold it for 60 bucks a year after is release when people had already purchased the collectors edition the year before. Zos likes to resell stuff they already resold you. Kinda like riding skills lol0 -
Ulfgarde✭✭✭✭✭The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
You say that it ruins their company image. Seriously? Many companies do this now. No one cares about it.
The creators of TF2, COD, CS:GO, DOTA, Overwatch, and many more. These are games that have people playing it non-stop and are the pinnacle of online gaming atm.They all have these little things you dub "casino crates". It doesn't tarnish them in anyway. No, it's all cosmetic of course. Unless you mention a P2W cash shop, which is complete absurdity.
The option to buy a crown crate is, once more, optional. No one is forcing you to do buy it. The only benefit is to "look cool". This is the same as in any of the games I mentioned.
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I think you have a problem @danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESOdanielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ha! I just was just wondering yesterday why we haven't had a good "but my gambling addiction" post about crown crates in a while.
Pro Tip: You don't have to buy them and you don't need a lightning mount.
And before the sobbing tears about me not understanding gambling addiction come as a reply, I used to pay my rent playing poker. Get at me the next time you lose $600 on an inside straight flush draw.
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✭I miss this being a subscription based game.. But everyone wanted it this way..
So as much as I am against them, how else you want them to make money?
ESO+ is optional....
You as an individual need to take responsibility for your actions, if not the case... ban forks... or close down all bars or any place that serves alcohol.
I am against the crown crates and I still am. But the way people are attacking them now are focusing on a gambling addiction and not how it affects the life of the game... after a while, people stop listening when the conversation turns into squawking the same thing over and over again....Edited by ThePaleItalian on December 23, 2016 6:38PMConan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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I think you have a problem @danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESOdanielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ha! I just was just wondering yesterday why we haven't had a good "but my gambling addiction" post about crown crates in a while.
Pro Tip: You don't have to buy them and you don't need a lightning mount.
And before the sobbing tears about me not understanding gambling addiction come as a reply, I used to pay my rent playing poker. Get at me the next time you lose $600 on an inside straight flush draw.
Just use some self control.
Haha. By whatever do you mean? It's not like I'm going to be vacationing at Harrah's in Atlantic City on Monday.
Oh crap.
Haha. Actually it's quite the opposite. I barely do it anymore and have been quite profitable more often than not. But thanks for your concern.
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✭The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
You say that it ruins their company image. Seriously? Many companies do this now. No one cares about it.
The creators of TF2, COD, CS:GO, DOTA, Overwatch, and many more. These are games that have people playing it non-stop and are the pinnacle of online gaming atm.They all have these little things you dub "casino crates". It doesn't tarnish them in anyway. No, it's all cosmetic of course. Unless you mention a P2W cash shop, which is complete absurdity.
The option to buy a crown crate is, once more, optional. No one is forcing you to do buy it. The only benefit is to "look cool". This is the same as in any of the games I mentioned.
Your comparing apples to oranges none of those games are persistent world mmos with subscriptions base. Matter o fact some of them are F2P P2w competition e sport games.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
You say that it ruins their company image. Seriously? Many companies do this now. No one cares about it.
The creators of TF2, COD, CS:GO, DOTA, Overwatch, and many more. These are games that have people playing it non-stop and are the pinnacle of online gaming atm.They all have these little things you dub "casino crates". It doesn't tarnish them in anyway. No, it's all cosmetic of course. Unless you mention a P2W cash shop, which is complete absurdity.
The option to buy a crown crate is, once more, optional. No one is forcing you to do buy it. The only benefit is to "look cool". This is the same as in any of the games I mentioned.
Overwatch keeps coming up on this kind of thread, but people never mention that the crates are obtainable by just playing the game, and quite frequently too. Because of that, the system is much better than ESO's and can't be compared to it. Also, none of the games you pointed out are MMOs.
Also, a couple of days ago, after the outrage the price of a new skin caused, Blizzard said they price then according to how cool they find them, and admitted that their "cool meter" was not compatible with the community's this time. ZOS said nothing on the price of the Elk so far.
Well, I would like them to make money by selling stuff directly, like they did for all of this time.ThePaleItalian wrote: »So as much as I am against them, how else you want them to make money?Edited by Abeille on December 23, 2016 6:55PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
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✭The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
You say that it ruins their company image. Seriously? Many companies do this now. No one cares about it.
The creators of TF2, COD, CS:GO, DOTA, Overwatch, and many more. These are games that have people playing it non-stop and are the pinnacle of online gaming atm.They all have these little things you dub "casino crates". It doesn't tarnish them in anyway. No, it's all cosmetic of course. Unless you mention a P2W cash shop, which is complete absurdity.
The option to buy a crown crate is, once more, optional. No one is forcing you to do buy it. The only benefit is to "look cool". This is the same as in any of the games I mentioned.
Overwatch keeps coming up on this kind of thread, but people never mention that the crates are obtainable by just playing the game, and quite frequently too. Because of that, the system is much better than ESO's and can't be compared to it. Also, none of the games you pointed out are MMOs.
Also, a couple of days ago, after the outrage the price of a new skin caused, Blizzard said they price then according to how cool they find them, and admitted that their "cool meter" was not compatible with the community's this time. ZOS said nothing on the price of the Elk so far.
Well, I would like them to make money by selling stuff directly, like they did for all of this time.ThePaleItalian wrote: »So as much as I am against them, how else you want them to make money?
In overwatch you get lootboxes by just leveling up.1 -
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✭The crates are working as intended. Milk the mooks (like myself) of their sheckels and cut and run.
I'll eat my crusty shorts if ZOS actually takes this money and uses it to improve the game, instead of spiraling down the drain so many other MMOs have. Hopes are not high after they introduced crown-store exclusive motifs, and then the second one they produce only came with 5 stones to actually craft with opposed to the 54 of the previous, for a 200 crown price decrease.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The solution is simple, and something done by almost every other game that uses this gimmick:
Make the gems you use for crate items purchasable with Crowns.
The conversion rate should be such that an Apex mount costs somewhere around 5000 crowns.
That way the people that want to support the game without gambling away their paycheck can do so, and not constantly miss out on all the coolest stuff you are putting straight into the casino, which currently leaves the majority of your loyal supporters out in the cold for getting cool new things.
Plus you can still fleece the gambling addicts that have no self control!
It's a win-win.
You say that it ruins their company image. Seriously? Many companies do this now. No one cares about it.
The creators of TF2, COD, CS:GO, DOTA, Overwatch, and many more. These are games that have people playing it non-stop and are the pinnacle of online gaming atm.They all have these little things you dub "casino crates". It doesn't tarnish them in anyway. No, it's all cosmetic of course. Unless you mention a P2W cash shop, which is complete absurdity.
The option to buy a crown crate is, once more, optional. No one is forcing you to do buy it. The only benefit is to "look cool". This is the same as in any of the games I mentioned.
Overwatch keeps coming up on this kind of thread, but people never mention that the crates are obtainable by just playing the game, and quite frequently too. Because of that, the system is much better than ESO's and can't be compared to it. Also, none of the games you pointed out are MMOs.
Also, a couple of days ago, after the outrage the price of a new skin caused, Blizzard said they price then according to how cool they find them, and admitted that their "cool meter" was not compatible with the community's this time. ZOS said nothing on the price of the Elk so far.
Well, I would like them to make money by selling stuff directly, like they did for all of this time.ThePaleItalian wrote: »So as much as I am against them, how else you want them to make money?
In overwatch you get lootboxes by just leveling up.
EXACTLY. And levels go by pretty fast. You also get them by playing Arcade mode (3 boxes a week).
The return rate for duplicates is crappier than in ESO, but the crates in ESO need to be bought while the lootboxes in Overwatch can be gotten by just playing the game. The systems really can't be compared.Edited by Abeille on December 23, 2016 10:25PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0
