Is it faster?

Curragraigue

Did a group finder PUG for Vet EH2. We were up to the second last boss. I ran through the corridor past the two portals to get to the boss. As tank I probably should have said that was what I was doing but I have to admit I was in a rush and I thought everyone did that.

Anyway the healer and one DPS followed me into the room and the other DPS was out in the corridor fighting maybe but his health bar was going wild. I turned around to decide whether to go out and the healer moved towards the door probably thinking the same thing. The DPS that was in the room with the boss drew aggro. We started getting hit before I could set up and taunt so when the DPS in the corridor and the healer were both in the room they died. I tried to taunt the mobs and boss thinking the DPS standing would rez but he didn't and I died then he died. We all rez then the DPS that drew aggro and didn't rez the healer says "no healz lol" and then drops group. No wipes before that boss and maybe one if that deaths before. The healer may have been a little slower giving heals but certainly not horrible imo.

So we three man the second last boss then join group finder and finish the last boss with 4 people all within less than 5 mins of the guy leaving. My query is did the DPS that left think:

1) he was too pro for the group and could not been seen with us; or
2) that he would get the dungeon done faster if he dropped group and started again even though we were literally less than 5 mins away from finishing?

I can understand if it was the first boss or if the group had been terrible before hand (not that I would leave I like a challenge) but this just made no sense to me.

LordGavus

Who knows. You run into strange people in pugs. He may have decided the healer wasn't good enough to finish the dungeon. Or maybe he decided he was too cool for you guys.

Seems odd to leave mid way through when it sounds like you were doing fine.

Curragraigue

LordGavus wrote: »

Who knows. You run into strange people in pugs. He may have decided the healer wasn't good enough to finish the dungeon. Or maybe he decided he was too cool for you guys.

Seems odd to leave mid way through when it sounds like you were doing fine.

People Are Strange song now in my head, thanks.

starkerealm

LordGavus wrote: »

Who knows. You run into strange people in pugs.

The story that comes to mind is from another MMO. It had slotted passives. You'd purchase your abilities, but everything went into the loadout. There are two that were really important for dungeons. "Subtly" was a DPS ability that would reduce your agro generation (by 75%, IIRC), "Agitator" (I think), did the opposite, 300% aggro gen. Guess what role takes Agitator.

We get in there, and everyone wipes on one of the bosses. So one of the DPS starts going through looking at each player with inspect (I guess), sees my loadout and flips out. Screaming about how I need to slot Subtlety. And how we wiped because I was drawing aggro off the Tank with Agitator...

Yeah, I was the tank. The DPS rage quit.

PUGs are weird.

Curragraigue

starkerealm wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

Who knows. You run into strange people in pugs.

The story that comes to mind is from another MMO. It had slotted passives. You'd purchase your abilities, but everything went into the loadout. There are two that were really important for dungeons. "Subtly" was a DPS ability that would reduce your agro generation (by 75%, IIRC), "Agitator" (I think), did the opposite, 300% aggro gen. Guess what role takes Agitator.

We get in there, and everyone wipes on one of the bosses. So one of the DPS starts going through looking at each player with inspect (I guess), sees my loadout and flips out. Screaming about how I need to slot Subtlety. And how we wiped because I was drawing aggro off the Tank with Agitator...

Yeah, I was the tank. The DPS rage quit.

PUGs are weird.

I have had PUG runs where I have had to beg DPS to stop taunting the boss explaining why they can't use pierce armour when they are not the tank. I don't bother trying to explain why they should not be using a sword and board on one bar and a staff on another as a DPS because one explanation at a time for puggles. PUGs are funny as hell until someone throws a hissy fit.

ObsidianMichi

My most frustrating runs have been when ostensibly high level players don't understand the game mechanics, like not killing ads or only focusing on the Harvester when she spawns the feast. Or when the healer or tank lies about their role when joining, and is really a DPS. Or when the DPS can't clear mobs and won't try. When they carry no crowd control on an alt bar. When they don't remember which abilities are taunts.

Basically, the DPS when they're crappy. I mean there are problems with tanks and healers too, but there are fewer of them so it's less noticeable in a small sample.

starkerealm

Met a guy once. Vet1. He still hadn't learned about the second weapon bar.

Silver_Strider

So, doing vet Elden Hollow 1 on my Stamblade for the pledge. We get to that little bridge area between the 1st and 2nd major boss and the other DPS jumps off the ledge (probably thinking that it was EH2) and sure enough they die from the adds while the rest of the group continues on to Chokethorn. They revive before we pull and proceed to bring every add from downstairs up to us as we fight the boss before they leave the group.

Thankfully, we didn't wipe and cleared the rest of the dungeon without incident but seriously, why do people do that when it was clearly your own fault.

GabiAlex

@starkerealm Was it TSW? Because if I recall correct those were the name of some passives in TSW.

Takes-No-Prisoner

I completed a PUG Vet EH 1 with 3 CP100s. It got a little hairy a couple of times, and took us 30 minutes to kill the 5.8mil HP boss at the end. It was pretty exhausting, and we came close to wiping 2 times on her, but I was way too stubborn to let these guys work so hard to have the bosses health reset. But we beat her.

IDK about the DPS OP, maybe they got embarrassed? Seems a little weird to leave over. But some PUGs are just strange like that.

idk

Lol. Was tanking a random and a dps pull a mini boss in a room that had lots of mobs around. In reality it was no big deal but it's easier when I can pull the room together properly. Most dungeons really aren't that hard.

I asked to let me pull bosses to which one of the DD smarted off. I suggested I could drop if he prefers and he suggested his friend could come tank.

Long story short, the other two players vote kicked him. We were about 5 min from completion.

It really helps not to be a smart ass, especially when your a DD in a 4 man group.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Lol. Was tanking a random and a dps pull a mini boss in a room that had lots of mobs around. In reality it was no big deal but it's easier when I can pull the room together properly.

I asked to let me pull bosses to which one of the DD smarted off. I suggested I could drop if he prefers and he suggested his friend could come tank.

Long story short, the other two players vote kicked him. We were about 5 min from completion.

It really helps not to be a smart ass, especially when your a DD in a 4 man group.

I don't understand why people do that. Like, in these Vet dungeons, on a Healer I am legitimately scared to accidentally pull mobs or big bosses. Like, I'm always hiding behind the skirt tails of the tank! I will refuse to even move forward before he does I get that scared lol

idk

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Lol. Was tanking a random and a dps pull a mini boss in a room that had lots of mobs around. In reality it was no big deal but it's easier when I can pull the room together properly.

I asked to let me pull bosses to which one of the DD smarted off. I suggested I could drop if he prefers and he suggested his friend could come tank.

Long story short, the other two players vote kicked him. We were about 5 min from completion.

It really helps not to be a smart ass, especially when your a DD in a 4 man group.

I don't understand why people do that. Like, in these Vet dungeons, on a Healer I am legitimately scared to accidentally pull mobs or big bosses. Like, I'm always hiding behind the skirt tails of the tank! I will refuse to even move forward before he does I get that scared lol

With sweeps on your bar you should be in good shape. Every class has something a healer can use.

I don't have to use GF at all but enjoy doing randoms for the various experiences. It's fine to pull everything with a known group but one doesn't really known what strangers can handle so I'm often a little cautious.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

With sweeps on your bar you should be in good shape. Every class has something a healer can use.

I don't have to use GF at all but enjoy doing randoms for the various experiences. It's fine to pull everything with a known group but one doesn't really known what strangers can handle so I'm often a little cautious.

Even with Sweeps, that channel can often last a little too long and my group can lose a lot of health if they're squishy. I've been in situations where had to cancel sweeps out and switch back to restro bar so they wouldn't die.

Yea, I am really cautious when I'm in GF and stick to the basics. If I get too relaxed I get careless, something I don't think I can do as a Healer. That's what I like about Vet dungeons. Always on my toes. But I'm also an avid PvPer. I break free in less then a second when I get knocked down.. lol habits in all.

starkerealm

GabiAlex wrote: »

@starkerealm Was it TSW? Because if I recall correct those were the name of some passives in TSW.

Yeah, we were running Elite Ankh, and had gotten to the bridge. We wiped because one of the players was having a hard time dodging the waves, and kept getting caught.

Pheefs

Some people really really really expect to NEVER die... like ever.

& the people who enjoy a challenge & get motivated to kick ass when We get dead?
We don't mix well with the ragefulls, right when it gets really exciting for us, they want to have a snit!

Also, I don't run many dungeons but even I know you always rezz the Healer, even if YOU die in the process.
I usually assign myself the little side escort job of "keep the Healer ALIVE"

bryanhaas

Curragraigue wrote: »

Did a group finder PUG for Vet EH2. We were up to the second last boss. I ran through the corridor past the two portals to get to the boss. As tank I probably should have said that was what I was doing but I have to admit I was in a rush and I thought everyone did that.

Anyway the healer and one DPS followed me into the room and the other DPS was out in the corridor fighting maybe but his health bar was going wild. I turned around to decide whether to go out and the healer moved towards the door probably thinking the same thing. The DPS that was in the room with the boss drew aggro. We started getting hit before I could set up and taunt so when the DPS in the corridor and the healer were both in the room they died. I tried to taunt the mobs and boss thinking the DPS standing would rez but he didn't and I died then he died. We all rez then the DPS that drew aggro and didn't rez the healer says "no healz lol" and then drops group. No wipes before that boss and maybe one if that deaths before. The healer may have been a little slower giving heals but certainly not horrible imo.

So we three man the second last boss then join group finder and finish the last boss with 4 people all within less than 5 mins of the guy leaving. My query is did the DPS that left think:

1) he was too pro for the group and could not been seen with us; or
2) that he would get the dungeon done faster if he dropped group and started again even though we were literally less than 5 mins away from finishing?

I can understand if it was the first boss or if the group had been terrible before hand (not that I would leave I like a challenge) but this just made no sense to me.

Some dps think that since they got their entire set up perfect that they are so good when really they are the weak link. I will go pull stuff on my dps but that is because I like a little trolling but I don't rage quit like that guy did. Also usually I stay alive but when I die it is not because of the healer or the tank it is because of me either I didn't buff, heal myself or DPS fast enough. The tank and the healer are there for support unless you are running a trial do not rely on them. They are not there to save YOU when YOU do something Stupid.

So don't worry about it, that guy was a scrub.

Curragraigue

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Lol. Was tanking a random and a dps pull a mini boss in a room that had lots of mobs around. In reality it was no big deal but it's easier when I can pull the room together properly.

I asked to let me pull bosses to which one of the DD smarted off. I suggested I could drop if he prefers and he suggested his friend could come tank.

Long story short, the other two players vote kicked him. We were about 5 min from completion.

It really helps not to be a smart ass, especially when your a DD in a 4 man group.

I don't understand why people do that. Like, in these Vet dungeons, on a Healer I am legitimately scared to accidentally pull mobs or big bosses. Like, I'm always hiding behind the skirt tails of the tank! I will refuse to even move forward before he does I get that scared lol

That is always my preference as a tank for healers and DPS. Let me pull I will try and get them in a nice neat group for you to do your thing. I am fairly conservative and won't pull a bring group if I am not sure the group can handle it. I also slow down or speed up pulls depending on the group.

Unfortunately DPS that pull tend to not be conservative and they love to pull more mobs than they can chew a lot of the time. If you pull then your in charge of stacking not me in my book. If you want me as tank to cc for you let me pull.