Fascinating bug with Tormentor set and Aoe Charge

Banjomarx

So for a while now i've been planning on grabbing tormentor set and testing my theory. I theorized that tormentor armor, as it taunts the creature dmgd by the charge and not the creature which is the TARGET of the charge, would therefore allow with an aoe charge like the templar one (erm not looking at game this second but its the one which interrupts casters) would allow me to create an "aoe taunt" by hitting a large number of creatures with a single charge... and it does... kind of...

So this is where it gets weird. If you are wearing full tormentor set and charge a group of mobs it WILL taunt an additional creature aside from the main target, but only ONE other creature, and it seems to be relatively random which one. This is corroborated by the fact that third party addons show both creatures as being taunted (tested with FTC) however 3rd party addons do NOT show any other creatures taunted, nor do they act as if taunted. Interestingly enough the actual taunt duration seems off from the supposed 15 seconds the armor claims, almost as if the duration is split between the two creatures, the addon does not show this however (but they leave to attack someone else quickly)

In addition from what i can tell it seems there is a higher chance of creatures that are the same type being the second taunted creature, this may in part be due to extraneous variables, as i mainly tested with differently sized creatures (ie wisp mothers and wisps, and crocodiles and skeevers).

In addition i also noticed some confusing language in some of the descriptions that made me question what would be considered a "charge" for the purpose of tormentor armor (have not had the chance to test yet) for example one of the werewolf pounce morphs has an initial single target dmg from the charge, then an aoe. while these happen concurrently, they ARE technically different instances of damage, so does the aoe still count as a charge? do effects like the magicka nb teleport attack thingy count as a charge for this? Should the DK leap count as a charge for this? I find myself more confused and fascinated with this issue the longer i ponder it.

tl:dr I would appreciate it if you would look into the aoe charge interaction with tormentor as it seems to be arbitrarily hard capped at 2 units

Chrlynsch

I tested feral pounce with this set when one tam launched and it did not proc the taunt, interesting to see brutal morph did. The real question is will it proc tremor set too?

Banjomarx

so wait feral is the non aoe right? and it didnt proc the taunt? thats super weird
and ya the tremor question isnt something i had thought about but that could be pretty good especially with charges that cause hard cc

Solariken

OP do you also have the Tremorscale monster set? I am very curious as to 1) if Tormentor can proc Tremor, and 2) if Explosive Charge can proc multiple Tremors on impact

If you feel froggy enough to test this please tag or PM me results. You could be my hero.

UppGRAYxDD

^^^^need answers too, been wondering about this...it would be worth it just for crit charge tremorscale proc

lolo_01b16_ESO

Did you base all your testing just on what ftc shows or did you check if someone else could get aggro without taunting them?
Back when I tested this set (~1 year ago) I could just taunt the main target of my charge and all others would turn away from me after a friend casted caltrops + a few steel tornados.

Chrlynsch

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

^^^^need answers too, been wondering about this...it would be worth it just for crit charge tremorscale proc

Crit charge will proc tremor while wearing tormentors

Banjomarx

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you base all your testing just on what ftc shows or did you check if someone else could get aggro without taunting them?
Back when I tested this set (~1 year ago) I could just taunt the main target of my charge and all others would turn away from me after a friend casted caltrops + a few steel tornados.

yes i tested with an ally to take taunt, went into wayrest sewers and aggrod a bunch of skeevers and then aoe charged into them, and ya only 2 of them would come to me to attack (rest as stated above) but like i said the duration was inconsistent

also i believe i have tremor scale but i actually caught the flu a few days ago and as it gets worse i havent felt up to getting online

Banjomarx

So you said the crit charge tremor works, im assuming it wont proc multiple times with an aoe cuz cd right?

Chrlynsch

@Banjomarx unknown, though selen's has been known to proc twice on a dw heavy attack and it too has a cd.

Banjomarx

Well, idk what do we do to draw attention to this issue? i mean theres only so many times people can be like YA I HAD THIS ISSUE TOO! in order to bump it up... maybe i shouldnt have given such a detailed description

Banjomarx

I wonder if the NB teleport attack thingy ability counts as a charge, if so would the dot dmg on the magicka morph in theory apply tormentor on every tick?