Stamina Builds - What stills Viable?

AlwaysV1P3R

Hello everyone and Marry Christmas to start.

I Bought the game recently and I have speend already 3 days searching for guides, cheking races/classes and some combos. And now I would like get some help about some things

Right now on this patch (and future ones), what is the strongest Stamina DPS for, well, atlist doing majority of the games offers (Like PvP/PvE, Solo and Group Things)

Right now the possabilitys I have:
Stamina DK (Orc)
Stamina Templar (RedGuard)
Stamina Sorc (RedGuard)

Also I dont have the Explorer patch nor the Imperial, and I wanna be part of the Daggerfall faction.
I dont know what builds still viable so I would like to see your opinions.

Also, Im going to creat 2 characters, one to level alone other to level with a friend. If there is like good combo leveling he is Imperial Templar. So feel free to tell me.

Thank you for your help!

Upright_man

Each of these bring their own pro's and con's and its really a matter of preference if you ask me.

Why don't you give each class a test and see what you like most?

Let me just say.... Dual Wield Khajit Nightblade.. Bias comment..

DHale

Stamina isn't viable... it's the best.

AtraisMachina

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

My vote for best possible stam class/race across the board ATM is a Redguard Sorc. I would give second place to a Redguard DK. If your goal is nothing but Trial DPS, then the answer is probably Khajiit DK.

As for Race: Khajiit is going to be the best DPS race in a perfect trial, but the stamina management offered by Redguard makes it far superior everywhere else, especially in PVP or VMA. In PVP in particular, you could give reasonable consideration to Orc, Imperial, or WoodElf, but I believe Redguard is king in PVP with their sustain. In PVE, Khajiit will pull the most damage, Reduard and Imperial are in second place, everyone else is behind them. When comparing Redguard and Imperial, you are trading Sustain (RG) for Health (Imp). Sustain is more important IMO. 99% of players will do better with Redguard across the board.

TLDR: Khajiit in a perfect trial, Redguard everywhere else.

As for Class: I think Sorc is the most versitle. All of the classes have something unique they bring to the table.

-Sorcs get an amazing Self heal and Weapon Power buff with Crit Surge and excellent mobility, damage, and mitigation with hurricane. The also have Bound Armaments which is great mitigation and gives them the best overall stats. They dont have a good Stamina ultimate, but they can slot overload for a utility bar which is very handy at times. They are are a close second to DK for raw DPS, and IMO are stronger in PVP, and are certainly stronger in VMA. They make great trial toons because they can run Nightmother and use hurricane to put it on everything. For 4 man stuff, you can run with even the worst pug groups because you are tanky and really dont need a healer.

-DKs have a stronger ultimate in Standard, and a stronger single target damage skill in Venomous Claw. Again, they can pull a touch more damage, but lack the utility of a sorc. They do have slightly better resource management with their battle roar passive. If any stam race can get away with going Khajiit over Redgaurd and not notice the difference, it's DK.

-Nightblades are interesting. They are the only class with a stamina execute. On paper, they arguably have the most potential for DPS, but the rotation is really tricky to use, mostly because Relentless Focus is difficult to work into a stam rotation. They also have a solid Stamina spam skills in Surprise Attack and Power Extraction, especially useful if you dont have VMA weapons. NBs really have a skill for everything. They are the Jack of All trades class IMO.

Stamplars are frankly in last place for stamina DPS, but some people really like them in PVP. They do have repentance which is nice if solo or if you dont have a templar healer, and power of the light is a very solid Debuff if looking for utility. But in terms of Raw DPS, they are bottom of the stamina barrel.


TLDR: I Vote Sorc because they are better solo (VMA) and in small group with their self heals and AOE, and I really like their mobility and burst in PVP. If I could only have one stam toon, it would be my Redguard Sorc. Also, for what its worth, my Sorc was a Khajiit. I made the change a few months ago and wish I had done it sooner.

Upright_man

AtraisMachina wrote: »

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Not too sure about this one.. i sense bias.. Stamina Templar-DD 555+ CP

acw37162

With perfect gear and gold VMA weapons most likely stam sorc.

Everywhere else I find stam DK to be the most effective.

Izaki

DHale wrote: »

Stamina isn't viable... it's the best.

Although true for PvP, for PvE its quite the opposite.

Also I don't see why people are mentioning stamblades here... They are good, but harder to play in PvP because they still have to use medium armor as opposed to heavy, like other stam classes. The proper use of shadow image, fear and cloak as well as timing your burst properly is quite hard to do at first. The rotations in PvE are down to micro-managing everything and perfect execution (miss 1 light attack = lose A LOT of DPS).

I still think that stam sorcs are the easiest stamina class to play in both PvE and PvP.

Stamina templars are not viable in PvE for now, pretty good in PvP.

Stamina DKs are the highest single target DPS dealers in PvE and very strong in PvP.

Upright_man

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Stamina isn't viable... it's the best.

Although true for PvP, for PvE its quite the opposite.

Also I don't see why people are mentioning stamblades here... They are good, but harder to play in PvP because they still have to use medium armor as opposed to heavy, like other stam classes. The proper use of shadow image, fear and cloak as well as timing your burst properly is quite hard to do at first. The rotations in PvE are down to micro-managing everything and perfect execution (miss 1 light attack = lose A LOT of DPS).

I still think that stam sorcs are the easiest stamina class to play in both PvE and PvP.

Stamina templars are not viable in PvE for now, pretty good in PvP.

Stamina DKs are the highest single target DPS dealers in PvE and very strong in PvP.

But @IzakiBrotheSs didnt you see...

AtraisMachina wrote: »

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Lukums1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My vote for best possible stam class/race across the board ATM is a Redguard Sorc. I would give second place to a Redguard DK. If your goal is nothing but Trial DPS, then the answer is probably Khajiit DK.

As for Race: Khajiit is going to be the best DPS race in a perfect trial, but the stamina management offered by Redguard makes it far superior everywhere else, especially in PVP or VMA. In PVP in particular, you could give reasonable consideration to Orc, Imperial, or WoodElf, but I believe Redguard is king in PVP with their sustain. In PVE, Khajiit will pull the most damage, Reduard and Imperial are in second place, everyone else is behind them. When comparing Redguard and Imperial, you are trading Sustain (RG) for Health (Imp). Sustain is more important IMO. 99% of players will do better with Redguard across the board.

TLDR: Khajiit in a perfect trial, Redguard everywhere else.

As for Class: I think Sorc is the most versitle. All of the classes have something unique they bring to the table.

-Sorcs get an amazing Self heal and Weapon Power buff with Crit Surge and excellent mobility, damage, and mitigation with hurricane. The also have Bound Armaments which is great mitigation and gives them the best overall stats. They dont have a good Stamina ultimate, but they can slot overload for a utility bar which is very handy at times. They are are a close second to DK for raw DPS, and IMO are stronger in PVP, and are certainly stronger in VMA. They make great trial toons because they can run Nightmother and use hurricane to put it on everything. For 4 man stuff, you can run with even the worst pug groups because you are tanky and really dont need a healer.

-DKs have a stronger ultimate in Standard, and a stronger single target damage skill in Venomous Claw. Again, they can pull a touch more damage, but lack the utility of a sorc. They do have slightly better resource management with their battle roar passive. If any stam race can get away with going Khajiit over Redgaurd and not notice the difference, it's DK.

-Nightblades are interesting. They are the only class with a stamina execute. On paper, they arguably have the most potential for DPS, but the rotation is really tricky to use, mostly because Relentless Focus is difficult to work into a stam rotation. They also have a solid Stamina spam skills in Surprise Attack and Power Extraction, especially useful if you dont have VMA weapons. NBs really have a skill for everything. They are the Jack of All trades class IMO.

Stamplars are frankly in last place for stamina DPS, but some people really like them in PVP. They do have repentance which is nice if solo or if you dont have a templar healer, and power of the light is a very solid Debuff if looking for utility. But in terms of Raw DPS, they are bottom of the stamina barrel.


TLDR: I Vote Sorc because they are better solo (VMA) and in small group with their self heals and AOE, and I really like their mobility and burst in PVP. If I could only have one stam toon, it would be my Redguard Sorc. Also, for what its worth, my Sorc was a Khajiit. I made the change a few months ago and wish I had done it sooner.

Zzz.. once again @Oreyn_Bearclaw I agree with everything said.

The STAM Sorc is far superior in most instances Reguard when learning the game is VERY GOOD PLACE TO START.

However when you get to end game, Khajiit all the way hands down. STAM Sorcs FTW.

NOTE: Game Patch February so let's see how hard the nerfs hit us.

Strider_Roshin

AtraisMachina wrote: »

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Very incorrect statement. Stam Nightblade are probably the hardest stam class in the game. A lot of people buy this kind of garbage about them being easy, and they end up getting murdered, and hating the game. You want the easiest stam class atm, then go with a stam sorc; they're almost as easy as magplars to play as. You want a challenge then go stamblade.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lukums1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My vote for best possible stam class/race across the board ATM is a Redguard Sorc. I would give second place to a Redguard DK. If your goal is nothing but Trial DPS, then the answer is probably Khajiit DK.

As for Race: Khajiit is going to be the best DPS race in a perfect trial, but the stamina management offered by Redguard makes it far superior everywhere else, especially in PVP or VMA. In PVP in particular, you could give reasonable consideration to Orc, Imperial, or WoodElf, but I believe Redguard is king in PVP with their sustain. In PVE, Khajiit will pull the most damage, Reduard and Imperial are in second place, everyone else is behind them. When comparing Redguard and Imperial, you are trading Sustain (RG) for Health (Imp). Sustain is more important IMO. 99% of players will do better with Redguard across the board.

TLDR: Khajiit in a perfect trial, Redguard everywhere else.

As for Class: I think Sorc is the most versitle. All of the classes have something unique they bring to the table.

-Sorcs get an amazing Self heal and Weapon Power buff with Crit Surge and excellent mobility, damage, and mitigation with hurricane. The also have Bound Armaments which is great mitigation and gives them the best overall stats. They dont have a good Stamina ultimate, but they can slot overload for a utility bar which is very handy at times. They are are a close second to DK for raw DPS, and IMO are stronger in PVP, and are certainly stronger in VMA. They make great trial toons because they can run Nightmother and use hurricane to put it on everything. For 4 man stuff, you can run with even the worst pug groups because you are tanky and really dont need a healer.

-DKs have a stronger ultimate in Standard, and a stronger single target damage skill in Venomous Claw. Again, they can pull a touch more damage, but lack the utility of a sorc. They do have slightly better resource management with their battle roar passive. If any stam race can get away with going Khajiit over Redgaurd and not notice the difference, it's DK.

-Nightblades are interesting. They are the only class with a stamina execute. On paper, they arguably have the most potential for DPS, but the rotation is really tricky to use, mostly because Relentless Focus is difficult to work into a stam rotation. They also have a solid Stamina spam skills in Surprise Attack and Power Extraction, especially useful if you dont have VMA weapons. NBs really have a skill for everything. They are the Jack of All trades class IMO.

Stamplars are frankly in last place for stamina DPS, but some people really like them in PVP. They do have repentance which is nice if solo or if you dont have a templar healer, and power of the light is a very solid Debuff if looking for utility. But in terms of Raw DPS, they are bottom of the stamina barrel.


TLDR: I Vote Sorc because they are better solo (VMA) and in small group with their self heals and AOE, and I really like their mobility and burst in PVP. If I could only have one stam toon, it would be my Redguard Sorc. Also, for what its worth, my Sorc was a Khajiit. I made the change a few months ago and wish I had done it sooner.

Zzz.. once again @Oreyn_Bearclaw I agree with everything said.

The STAM Sorc is far superior in most instances Reguard when learning the game is VERY GOOD PLACE TO START.

However when you get to end game, Khajiit all the way hands down. STAM Sorcs FTW.

NOTE: Game Patch February so let's see how hard the nerfs hit us.

I agree that Khajiit is best if really pushing DPS, especially in a good warhorn environment where Crit is King. The difference is not as great as people make it out to be, but no denying they are better for DPS. Remember that Redguard gets a big boost to max stam and Khajiit does not, so they do hit harder than khajiit in terms of base damage. They are not better in PVP, and they are not better when in VMA or small groups stuff IMO. The point is that everyone always wants to go for what they believe to be the "best." Well unless you spend a vast majority of your time pushing trial leaderboards (some people do), Redguard is going to be best for 99% of players and content. As you suggested, its perfectly viable to roll a Redguard and change to Khajiit depending on what you like at endgame.

I put a fair amount of thought into the races I chose, and have made some changes along the way. I keep my sorc as a redguard because I think it fits the utility role a little better, and my DK is khajiit for if I really want to push Single Target to the max.

psychotic13

If you're going to make 2 characters, I'd advise to make one for PvP and one for PvE, there's a lot of difference between the two so you'll get to know each character for its purpose.

If you search 'Alcast' on YouTube you'll find a lot of up to date builds there for all purposes.

All of the 3 options are good choices, although Orc synergises well with stam sorc in PvP and can give you the mobility no other combination can offer. (See 'Fengrush' on YouTube for that)

If you want to push DPS Khajiit is probably the best, though a lot choose redguard for their adrenaline rush passive which is great for resource sustain.

In my opinion you should go redguard/Khajiit on your PvE character, and I personally like Bosmer for PvP the 21% stamina regen and bonus damage from stealth is what I like, although Orc is the best option for stamina sorc PvP. Like I said this is just my opinion.

Upright_man

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AtraisMachina wrote: »

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Very incorrect statement. Stam Nightblade are probably the hardest stam class in the game. A lot of people buy this kind of garbage about them being easy, and they end up getting murdered, and hating the game. You want the easiest stam class atm, then go with a stam sorc; they're almost as easy as magplars to play as. You want a challenge then go stamblade.

@Strider_Roshin the amount of people that seem to think Nightblade is super easy stam..
I've seen plenty of really bad stamblades XD

I'd strongly agree Stam Sorc is easier.

Kutsuu

Honestly you couldn't go wrong with any of your stamina characters. People will tell you stamplar is weak, but just go ahead and look at the multiple stamplar videos on the front page of the PVP & alliance subforums and see that people are doing work with them.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AtraisMachina wrote: »

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Very incorrect statement. Stam Nightblade are probably the hardest stam class in the game. A lot of people buy this kind of garbage about them being easy, and they end up getting murdered, and hating the game. You want the easiest stam class atm, then go with a stam sorc; they're almost as easy as magplars to play as. You want a challenge then go stamblade.

Lol I've gotten PMs from people asking me all kinds of questions about how to gank on a NB b/c they thought it was going to be brainless and... surprise... it actually takes input. Especially when you want to survive.

Agree on NB being more challenging than the other stam classes in PVE/PVP. Very rewarding, don't get me wrong, just not brainless like these non-NB players like to claim.

Lukums1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

My vote for best possible stam class/race across the board ATM is a Redguard Sorc. I would give second place to a Redguard DK. If your goal is nothing but Trial DPS, then the answer is probably Khajiit DK.

As for Race: Khajiit is going to be the best DPS race in a perfect trial, but the stamina management offered by Redguard makes it far superior everywhere else, especially in PVP or VMA. In PVP in particular, you could give reasonable consideration to Orc, Imperial, or WoodElf, but I believe Redguard is king in PVP with their sustain. In PVE, Khajiit will pull the most damage, Reduard and Imperial are in second place, everyone else is behind them. When comparing Redguard and Imperial, you are trading Sustain (RG) for Health (Imp). Sustain is more important IMO. 99% of players will do better with Redguard across the board.

TLDR: Khajiit in a perfect trial, Redguard everywhere else.

As for Class: I think Sorc is the most versitle. All of the classes have something unique they bring to the table.

-Sorcs get an amazing Self heal and Weapon Power buff with Crit Surge and excellent mobility, damage, and mitigation with hurricane. The also have Bound Armaments which is great mitigation and gives them the best overall stats. They dont have a good Stamina ultimate, but they can slot overload for a utility bar which is very handy at times. They are are a close second to DK for raw DPS, and IMO are stronger in PVP, and are certainly stronger in VMA. They make great trial toons because they can run Nightmother and use hurricane to put it on everything. For 4 man stuff, you can run with even the worst pug groups because you are tanky and really dont need a healer.

-DKs have a stronger ultimate in Standard, and a stronger single target damage skill in Venomous Claw. Again, they can pull a touch more damage, but lack the utility of a sorc. They do have slightly better resource management with their battle roar passive. If any stam race can get away with going Khajiit over Redgaurd and not notice the difference, it's DK.

-Nightblades are interesting. They are the only class with a stamina execute. On paper, they arguably have the most potential for DPS, but the rotation is really tricky to use, mostly because Relentless Focus is difficult to work into a stam rotation. They also have a solid Stamina spam skills in Surprise Attack and Power Extraction, especially useful if you dont have VMA weapons. NBs really have a skill for everything. They are the Jack of All trades class IMO.

Stamplars are frankly in last place for stamina DPS, but some people really like them in PVP. They do have repentance which is nice if solo or if you dont have a templar healer, and power of the light is a very solid Debuff if looking for utility. But in terms of Raw DPS, they are bottom of the stamina barrel.


TLDR: I Vote Sorc because they are better solo (VMA) and in small group with their self heals and AOE, and I really like their mobility and burst in PVP. If I could only have one stam toon, it would be my Redguard Sorc. Also, for what its worth, my Sorc was a Khajiit. I made the change a few months ago and wish I had done it sooner.

Zzz.. once again @Oreyn_Bearclaw I agree with everything said.

The STAM Sorc is far superior in most instances Reguard when learning the game is VERY GOOD PLACE TO START.

However when you get to end game, Khajiit all the way hands down. STAM Sorcs FTW.

NOTE: Game Patch February so let's see how hard the nerfs hit us.

I agree that Khajiit is best if really pushing DPS, especially in a good warhorn environment where Crit is King. The difference is not as great as people make it out to be, but no denying they are better for DPS. Remember that Redguard gets a big boost to max stam and Khajiit does not, so they do hit harder than khajiit in terms of base damage. They are not better in PVP, and they are not better when in VMA or small groups stuff IMO. The point is that everyone always wants to go for what they believe to be the "best." Well unless you spend a vast majority of your time pushing trial leaderboards (some people do), Redguard is going to be best for 99% of players and content. As you suggested, its perfectly viable to roll a Redguard and change to Khajiit depending on what you like at endgame.

I put a fair amount of thought into the races I chose, and have made some changes along the way. I keep my sorc as a redguard because I think it fits the utility role a little better, and my DK is khajiit for if I really want to push Single Target to the max.

Points well made.

IMO I can obtain 550k score in VMA on redguard but strongly feel I can't break this barrier without being khajiit for burst crit as well as running shadow... Ah well.

Red guard for life I suppose... it's less stressful.

AlwaysV1P3R

Thank You for all of your opinions, right now i guess im going to Stam Sorc Redguard, since im new and i still need to pratice and need a good endgame class that can do the majority of things.

And Merry Christmas!

Strider_Roshin

AlwaysV1P3R wrote: »

Thank You for all of your opinions, right now i guess im going to Stam Sorc Redguard, since im new and i still need to pratice and need a good endgame class that can do the majority of things.

And Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas bud!

Let me give you some quick tips:

Level up Dual Wielding (DW), and bow

For DW morph Flurry into Bloodthirst (when you feel more confident in your survival remorph it into rapid strikes), morph twin slashes into blood craze, and Lacerate into Rend.

For the bow morph the first ability (poison arrow?) Into poison injection, and volley into arrow barrage.

For your class abilities you're going to want to morph Bound Armor into Bound Armaments, Dark Exchange into Dark Deal, lightning form into hurricane, and surge into critical surge.

You're also going to want to level up your fighters guild, and morph trap beast into rearming trap. Get expert hunter as well for the crit bonus, but don't worry about morphing it; both morphs are equally useless. You just need the ability on your bar for the passive crit bonus.

Good luck to you bud.

cpuScientist

A khajit only wins out for stay ganking in PvP and for a trial with a very good earithian rotation, and not by much. Redguard is just three way to go honestly. Stamblade is not easy at all PvE and is not easy PvP some streamers make it look easy but that's them just being good lol. Stan Sorc is fantastically easy and strong, very good healing and survivability, honestly pick a redguard StamSorc and never look back.

Strider_Roshin

cpuScientist wrote: »

A khajit only wins out for stay ganking in PvP and for a trial with a very good earithian rotation, and not by much. Redguard is just three way to go honestly. Stamblade is not easy at all PvE and is not easy PvP some streamers make it look easy but that's them just being good lol. Stan Sorc is fantastically easy and strong, very good healing and survivability, honestly pick a redguard StamSorc and never look back.

I agree go Redguard. Without the CP, you'll need the resource management this race provides.

yodased

Orc stam sorc name him scroll runner.

method__01

redguard stamsorc for pve,5 spriggans,5 viper,2 veli /never will play another toon
something else for pvp

AlwaysV1P3R

Thank your for the rest and now Happy new Year since christmas is done xD

lucky_Sage

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AtraisMachina wrote: »

If you wanna not have to try very hard or think much be a stam nightblade. If you wanna be challenged play stam templar.

Very incorrect statement. Stam Nightblade are probably the hardest stam class in the game. A lot of people buy this kind of garbage about them being easy, and they end up getting murdered, and hating the game. You want the easiest stam class atm, then go with a stam sorc; they're almost as easy as magplars to play as. You want a challenge then go stamblade.

pve stamblade is hard but pvp the burst is super easy to pull off and with running full proc sets you just ambush surprise attack and dead

but for the people who mastered animation canceling they don't need proc sets and they still seem like they have them