RQST: Trial'ish Target Skeletons
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Hello comrades.
TL;DR: What I'm asking for in this thread is, in addition to the test dummy coming next update, a trial group test dummy with much more health points (+10kk) and resistances. Something TRIAL'ISH so we can test TRIAL GROUP oriented tactics. Not a regular test dummy, I mean something big for trial groups to pratice and test. Thank you for reading.I hope I made myself crystal clear this time.
Target Skeletons will be a great asset to the game since we can test our builds and dps, but they seem small and quishy on the videos. I wonder if there is someway to implement Target Bone Colussus. Tho it don't actually have to be a bone colussus (maybe another construct but it don't relly matter), just something with more than 40kk hp and resistances equivalents to the trial bosses. I ask this because we could learn more about group tactics and debuffs if we have a trainning dummy with a lot of health points to do soo.
Make it happen ZOS plz!
Here is a picture of a bone colussus:
Edited by Milvan on December 19, 2016 4:14PM TL;DR: What I'm asking for in this thread is, in addition to the test dummy coming next update, a trial group test dummy with much more health points (+10kk) and resistances. Something TRIAL'ISH so we can test TRIAL GROUP oriented tactics. Not a regular test dummy, I mean something big for trial groups to pratice and test. Thank you for reading.I hope I made myself crystal clear this time.
Target Skeletons will be a great asset to the game since we can test our builds and dps, but they seem small and quishy on the videos. I wonder if there is someway to implement Target Bone Colussus. Tho it don't actually have to be a bone colussus (maybe another construct but it don't relly matter), just something with more than 40kk hp and resistances equivalents to the trial bosses. I ask this because we could learn more about group tactics and debuffs if we have a trainning dummy with a lot of health points to do soo.
Make it happen ZOS plz!
Here is a picture of a bone colussus:
“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭Meanwhile, LF3M vCoA2 for Bone Colossus Slayer achievement.
See, great idea! The purchase(or craft) of the Test Bonus Colossus could be definetely attached to this achievement!“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, guards also look like normal people in low level armor, but they have 10 mil hp (or something) and cant die.
So... Do we have any proofs that those skellys will actually be squishy?Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, guards also look like normal people in low level armor, but they have 10 mil hp (or something) and cant die.
So... Do we have any proofs that those skellys will actually be squishy?
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For real tho, if those skeletons have more than 10kk hp it would make dps pratice/test really tiresome.
I'm only asking here for a dps test for trial groups, c'mon guys it's not that hard to back me up on this one.
“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »We are getting dps test dummies with housing.
Yeah, I know. I'm just asking for a dummy with enough hp and resistances equivalents of a trial boss so we can train trial group tactics (debuffs, rotation etc) there.Edited by Milvan on December 19, 2016 2:48PM“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭✭✭They've already confirmed the housing "target thingy" has over a couple hundred thousand health.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »They've already confirmed the housing "target thingy" has over a couple hundred thousand health.
Really? This is too low even for regular dps testing. The regular skeleton should be up to 1~2kk and the trial one should be up to 20~40kk at least.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »We are getting dps test dummies with housing.
Yeah, I know. I'm just asking for a dummy with enough hp and resistances equivalents of a trial boss so we can train trial group tactics (debuffs, rotation etc) there.
It should be equivalent for a single player doing the damage, meaning not 60 million health but 10 million health.
It also needs to be killable since have executes.
We should also be able to apply the standard debuff that comes from the taunt.
All three points are basics though having sufficient health and killable is a requirement for a usable test dummy.
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »We are getting dps test dummies with housing.
Yeah, I know. I'm just asking for a dummy with enough hp and resistances equivalents of a trial boss so we can train trial group tactics (debuffs, rotation etc) there.
It should be equivalent for a single player doing the damage, meaning not 60 million health but 10 million health.
It also needs to be killable since have executes.
We should also be able to apply the standard debuff that comes from the taunt.
All three points are basics though having sufficient health and killable is a requirement for a usable test dummy.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I think that 10kk is way too much for a single player to pratice/test and still too low for a trial group to pratice/test. I would go with something <5kk for a single player and >20kk for trial group. Indeed, it must have all the features that you added.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »They've already confirmed the housing "target thingy" has over a couple hundred thousand health.
Really? This is too low even for regular dps testing. The regular skeleton should be up to 1~2kk and the trial one should be up to 20~40kk at least.
@Milvan
Read the Dev tracker it's waaay more than enough but I do believe your context is off. It's shown in the housing video.
Here's the link - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3577933/#Comment_3577933
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on December 19, 2016 3:45PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »They've already confirmed the housing "target thingy" has over a couple hundred thousand health.
Really? This is too low even for regular dps testing. The regular skeleton should be up to 1~2kk and the trial one should be up to 20~40kk at least.
@Milvan
Read the Dev tracker it's waaay more than enough but I do believe your context is off. It's shown in the housing video.
Here's the link - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3577933/#Comment_3577933
Great! Ty for sharing! Now I hope that they add some option for a trial group oriented test dummy as well. Something with a few dozens of millions of HP for group pratice.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »They've already confirmed the housing "target thingy" has over a couple hundred thousand health.
Really? This is too low even for regular dps testing. The regular skeleton should be up to 1~2kk and the trial one should be up to 20~40kk at least.
@Milvan
Read the Dev tracker it's waaay more than enough but I do believe your context is off. It's shown in the housing video.
Here's the link - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3577933/#Comment_3577933
Great! Ty for sharing! Now I hope that they add some option for a trial group oriented test dummy as well. Something with a few dozens of millions of HP for group pratice.
Have you watched the video in that article?
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Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭The devs confirmed that the health of the dummy is more "in the millions". It is somewhere in the Dev Tracker.0
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It has much more than 30k health. It's more in the realm of millions than thousands.
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It has much more than 30k health. It's more in the realm of millions than thousands.
You missed this little gem in the dev trackerThe devs confirmed that the health of the dummy is more "in the millions". It is somewhere in the Dev Tracker.
Yeah. You guys are totally missing the point:
A) Test dummy have millions of hp, great. We are all happy about it.
B ) NOW, what I'm asking for in this thread is a trial group test dummy with much more health points (+10kk) and resistances. Something TRIAL'ISH so we can test TRIAL GROUP oriented tactics. That's it that I'm asking.
Edited by Milvan on December 19, 2016 4:07PM“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It has much more than 30k health. It's more in the realm of millions than thousands.
You missed this little gem in the dev trackerThe devs confirmed that the health of the dummy is more "in the millions". It is somewhere in the Dev Tracker.
Yeah. You guys are totally missing the point:
A) Test dummy have millions of hp, great. We are all happy about it.
B ) NOW, what I'm asking for in this thread is a trial group test dummy with much more health points (+10kk) and resistances. Something TRIAL'ISH so we can test TRIAL GROUP oriented tactics. That's it that I'm asking.
Ah, indeed that is not what I understood when I first read the post. I think you edited it later?
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »We are getting dps test dummies with housing.
Yeah, I know. I'm just asking for a dummy with enough hp and resistances equivalents of a trial boss so we can train trial group tactics (debuffs, rotation etc) there.
It should be equivalent for a single player doing the damage, meaning not 60 million health but 10 million health.
It also needs to be killable since have executes.
We should also be able to apply the standard debuff that comes from the taunt.
All three points are basics though having sufficient health and killable is a requirement for a usable test dummy.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I think that 10kk is way too much for a single player to pratice/test and still too low for a trial group to pratice/test. I would go with something <5kk for a single player and >20kk for trial group. Indeed, it must have all the features that you added.
@Milvan
A test dummy is only good for practicing rotations and testing builds. Is useless for testing a raid groups. The health should be set for only trial bosses for a single person. In a raid the players should know they'd rotation and it is getting the mechanics down that counts.
No health should be set for a raid group. No need to do 60 million health on the test dummy.
Considering the health of some bosses in vet trials 10 million health is fine.
Certainly not less than 5 million health.
To be clear, it's impossible to test trial tactics on a static subject. Their are no mechanic and therefore no tactics.Edited by idk on December 19, 2016 4:21PM0 -
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »We are getting dps test dummies with housing.
Yeah, I know. I'm just asking for a dummy with enough hp and resistances equivalents of a trial boss so we can train trial group tactics (debuffs, rotation etc) there.
It should be equivalent for a single player doing the damage, meaning not 60 million health but 10 million health.
It also needs to be killable since have executes.
We should also be able to apply the standard debuff that comes from the taunt.
All three points are basics though having sufficient health and killable is a requirement for a usable test dummy.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I think that 10kk is way too much for a single player to pratice/test and still too low for a trial group to pratice/test. I would go with something <5kk for a single player and >20kk for trial group. Indeed, it must have all the features that you added.
@Milvan
A test dummy is only good for practicing rotations and testing builds. Is useless for testing a raid groups. The health should be set for only trial bosses for a single person. In a raid the players should know they'd rotation and it is getting the mechanics down that counts.
No health should be set for a raid group. No need to do 60 million health on the test dummy.
Considering the health of some bosses in vet trials 10 million health is fine.
Certainly not less than 5 million health.
First of all, vet trial bosses health is usually far above 40kk, not 10kk. I'm actually asking for a aditional dummy besides the one they will bring up next update with housing. I'm not asking to overwrite the one that they didn't even released yet to make it trial-wise. I'm asking for a aditional one trial group oriented.
I totally disagree with you regarding that fact that it wouldn't be useful. I think that it would be great asset to the game since we will be able to check things like what builds benefits better from certain buffs/debuffs and which combination of buffs/debuffs/sets/traits works better with each other. It would be great asset for trial group tactics.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »We are getting dps test dummies with housing.
Yeah, I know. I'm just asking for a dummy with enough hp and resistances equivalents of a trial boss so we can train trial group tactics (debuffs, rotation etc) there.
It should be equivalent for a single player doing the damage, meaning not 60 million health but 10 million health.
It also needs to be killable since have executes.
We should also be able to apply the standard debuff that comes from the taunt.
All three points are basics though having sufficient health and killable is a requirement for a usable test dummy.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I think that 10kk is way too much for a single player to pratice/test and still too low for a trial group to pratice/test. I would go with something <5kk for a single player and >20kk for trial group. Indeed, it must have all the features that you added.
@Milvan
A test dummy is only good for practicing rotations and testing builds. Is useless for testing a raid groups. The health should be set for only trial bosses for a single person. In a raid the players should know they'd rotation and it is getting the mechanics down that counts.
No health should be set for a raid group. No need to do 60 million health on the test dummy.
Considering the health of some bosses in vet trials 10 million health is fine.
Certainly not less than 5 million health.
First of all, vet trial bosses health is usually far above 40kk, not 10kk. I'm actually asking for a aditional dummy besides the one they will bring up next update with housing. I'm not asking to overwrite the one that they didn't even released yet to make it trial-wise. I'm asking for a aditional one trial group oriented.
I totally disagree with you regarding that fact that it wouldn't be useful. I think that it would be great asset to the game since we will be able to check things like what builds benefits better from certain buffs/debuffs and which combination of buffs/debuffs/sets/traits works better with each other. It would be great asset for trial group tactics.
First of all, I'm well aware of the health bosses have in vet trials and the 5 - 10 mil health is for a single player to test on. Having 40+ mil health is far more than what would be useful.
Second of all, you have not suggested a viable reason to have a completely separate test dummy or even a method for increasing a he health for a group to test on.
Testing the effects of buffs with various builds can be done on the normal test dummy. In fact it's better since the situation is more controlled. And not to leave out your previous comment of tactics, without mechanics tactics cannot really be tested.
I feel your overthinking this.
However, if they made it so we could change it to be unkillable it could be used in any way you want.Edited by idk on December 19, 2016 5:13PM0
