Main weapon: Bow possible?

Naughty_Ryder

Hello,

I really love bows in the TES games. I would like to start playing PvP for fun in ESO, but I want to use a bow as my main weapon as a Stamina NB, for the stealth reasons. I want to be an assassin type of build that could possibly one shot players with the Snipe ability. I've heard of it being done before.. A player dealing over 20K damage with snipe. Maybe a proc set I don't know.. Is it possible?

Thanks

runagate

I hate to say it but you don't need to sneak around to shoot people from stealth in Cyrodiil.

You can just stand up on top of a wall and potatoes will joyously congregate under you waiting to be shot.


Warning: some of those people are DKs with flappy wings or templars who will know you off your wall. Also, flappy wings' reflection skill lasts longer than the flappy. Learn to spot the faint glow.

I will, however, rejoice when you find out that sniping some people from stealth is gonna get you beat down but good when you don't have a backup plan.

Nestor

A Bow can be a weapon to use, but have something else, for up close and personal encounters. Use Bow for ranged, openers and to soften up from a distance, something like Dual Wield or Sword and Board or 2 Handed for Melee.

Naughty_Ryder

I don't plan to melee... Just creep around in my spare time feeling all roguish.... Hitting people with Snipe.. If I fail, vanish into stealth and retreat

1mirg

I use to play nothing but bows back in beta, and I did alitttle bit after launch and some time during the tamerial unlimited. It's possible to accomplish but your not going to be 1 shooting people like in skyrim though because projectiles are programmed differently in this game.

Naughty_Ryder

1mirg wrote: »

I use to play nothing but bows back in beta, and I did alitttle bit after launch and some time during the tamerial unlimited. It's possible to accomplish but your not going to be 1 shooting people like in skyrim though because projectiles are programmed differently in this game.

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

1mirg

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Gear, there gear is the cause of that. Not the arrows.

Naughty_Ryder

1mirg wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Gear, there gear is the cause of that. Not the arrows.

That's what I mean. If I got a full Gold gear Stam NB with the correct race for Bow damage etc. Surely I can one shot people? ^_^

1mirg

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

That's what I mean. If I got a full Gold gear Stam NB with the correct race for Bow damage etc. Surely I can one shot people? ^_^

Only if they are way severely under geared in comparison to you but that goes without saying to any class really.

Wollust

You are probably looking for something like this?
https://youtu.be/8OsEk9VTUbI

mb10

Yes my friend, use a bow. Thats what I do. Just try to be as unique and as different as you can. The game can cater for people like you. You wont be a 50k health templar in a group of 15 others all healing each other and dropping destro ultis but you'll be a unique player playing the game and enjoying it.


I recommend using the marksman set. Provides good stam regen and hits players 8% harder with bow abilities.

starkerealm

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

I use to play nothing but bows back in beta, and I did alitttle bit after launch and some time during the tamerial unlimited. It's possible to accomplish but your not going to be 1 shooting people like in skyrim though because projectiles are programmed differently in this game.

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Worth remembering that, while you can have a CR over 1k, can only spend 561 CP.

Also, because of reasons, it would be CR1000. CP (Champion Points) are the things you spend. CR (Champion Rank) is your overall level in the champion system. As I mentioned, you can't actually spend more than 561 CP at present.

Something to take with you for later, "shot" is the past tense of "shoot." "Shotted," is just a typo in search of a cause to die for.

Anyway, there used to be some pretty serious issues with cheating in Cyrodiil. If someone was getting one shot there, it could be they had phenomenally low health (around 10k), or it could be that they were going up against someone using CE.

In general, traveling by mount in Cyrodiil is not a great idea. When I need to get someplace, and I'm not traveling with a group, I usually go by stealth (Stage 4 vampirism + concealed weapon, or just 5pc night's silence or shadowdancer).

Still, the best option for bow users in Cyrodiil is Piercing Mark followed by... nothing. But they will absolutely flip out, trying to figure out where their impending doom is coming from.

Pirhana7_ESO

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

I don't plan to melee... Just creep around in my spare time feeling all roguish.... Hitting people with Snipe.. If I fail, vanish into stealth and retreat

Night Blade would be best for the sneak attack damage and crit bonuses

Use Snipe > Focuesed Aim as your opener and follow up. Toss Poison Injection shot in after every 2 shots. On your ability bar have abilities that give passive bonuses like the Fighters Guild Crit chance and damage ability, and class abilities from NB assasination line.

On your secondary bar use 2hand as a buff bar before you attack. Rally will give you a 20% damage add and heal over time, Blur is a good choice for some defense, also anything hat gives you a damage boost, then set them all off then switch to Bow and attack

Kodrac

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

I don't plan to melee... Just creep around in my spare time feeling all roguish.... Hitting people with Snipe.. If I fail, vanish into stealth and retreat

Yeah, good luck with that.

ookami007

Also bear in mind, that one advantage sniping has over face-to-face is that if you catch them unawares, they usually aren't fully buffed, so sometimes that makes it a little easier.

But doing a one shot, one kill requires the right combination of gear, set up and abilities and even then, doesn't happen as often as people make it out to. Usually it's a snipe from stealth followed by either a poison arrow or other attack that will reduce them to 0, and if it's a group, followed by immediate invis and move and stealth.

Kutsuu

You can't just spam snipe for a 1-shot - there was a period that you could do that long ago but it was nerfed. The 1-shots require lining up a bow heavy attack with other melee attacks such as Ambush and Incap Strike, which is what you can see in the video linked above.

Nestor

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

I don't plan to melee... Just creep around in my spare time feeling all roguish.... Hitting people with Snipe.. If I fail, vanish into stealth and retreat

Look for the Bow Specific Sets that are now in the game, like Ranger (it was always there, just easier to get now). Also, Flanking armor might be something to look into. I know there is one other set for Bows, but I don't remember the name

JamieAubrey

Vipers is your set

Bad_Company

Give Tom Cruise a bow as main weapon in ESO with the aim (get the pun? huh?) of completing the end-game content and you have Mission Impossible 6.

kadar

The answer is yes.

Bumblebeelzebub

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

I really love bows in the TES games. I would like to start playing PvP for fun in ESO, but I want to use a bow as my main weapon as a Stamina NB, for the stealth reasons. I want to be an assassin type of build that could possibly one shot players with the Snipe ability.

I run an NB with bow as my primary weapon. I initially wanted to make a ganking build like you're describing, but ended up going with something a little more balanced that excludes proc sets.

I currently run 5 Spriggan, 5 Clever Alchemist, and 1 Kra'gh. I use 2H on my back bar. It's far from perfect but it works.

From stealth, with your buffs up, and Clever Alchemist activated you can gank many players with a couple of snipes. The challenge here is choosing your targets carefully. Most people run heavy impen armor, high health, and a plethora of defensive buffs and you won't be able to take them out as quickly as you like.

If your initial snipes (and maybe a Poison Injection) don't do the damage you were hoping for, then you have to decide if you want to run away or activate your gap closer and try to finish them off. You can usually finish off bulkier players with something like: Ambush -> Mass Hysteria -> Incap. Strike

If you aren't ganking you're sticking to the fringes of combat spamming Snipe, animation cancelling Poison injection, and only moving in to melee range to finish off the targets that you or your friends have already gimped.

TL;DR: A more balanced build will give you more options if your target survives your initial assault (which isn't uncommon).

cjhhickman39

One idea is bosmer nightblade with Hawkeyes and markmans sets. Make sure your in stealth for the passive bouns get behind them for the attack bonus move to where you can use both snipe and poison injection. Use mark target fire snipe then poison injection. The two attacks will hit at the same time so it does look like a one shot

geonsocal

runagate wrote: »

I hate to say it but you don't need to sneak around to shoot people from stealth in Cyrodiil.

You can just stand up on top of a wall and potatoes will joyously congregate under you waiting to be shot.

shhhhhhh, quite on that one - some of those potatoes might be reading this...

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Sure, but as others have suggested, you need a back up plan. You have two bars, and I would not advice going Bow/Bow. Even Legolas carried daggers for when things got out of hand. Haha

You wont get nearly as many kills just casting snipe from stealth as you think. Most "one-shots" are really well timed combos of 2 or 3 skills that all hit at once. Also, escaping into stealth is not always as easy as you think. There are many ways to bring someone out of stealth.

The Old Mark Target, Focused Aim, Poison injection burst, will get some kills, but better if you can quickly swap to DW for example and ambush/killersblade to finish them off.

Elijah_Crow

Here is how you do it:

Bow Bar: Lethal Arrow, Ambush, Surprise Attack, Killer's Blade, Camo Hunter (Flawless Dawnbreaker)

(Ambush, Surprise Attack, and Killer's Blade do not require a melee weapon)

Two Hand Bar: Rally, Relentless Focus, Rapid Manuvers, Cloak, Vigor

5 pc Viper/2 pc Velidreth/4 pc (Hundings/Spriggans/etc) Sharpened/Disease on the Bow


Be in stealth. When you see someone coming, swap to your TH (utility bar) and buff with Rally and relentless Focus. Swap back to your bow bar. Whey they are in range of fire Lethal Arrow, and start spamming Ambush and as soon as the arrow releases Ambush will go off and they will land at the same time. Follow up with Killer's blade and if your Velidrith/Viper/Disease proc'ed, they are dead. Worse case is you have to throw in a couple surprise attacks. For most people it appears to one shot.

If you have trouble, swap and Rapid Manuvers, Cloak, and get the hell out.

While testing this I hit a Mammoth in Orsinium for 135,000 damage in 1 second. I can one shot 9 out of 10 players. The 10th is usually dead within 3 seconds.

This is a perfect example why proc sets need a change.

ArchMikem

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Gear, there gear is the cause of that. Not the arrows.

That's what I mean. If I got a full Gold gear Stam NB with the correct race for Bow damage etc. Surely I can one shot people? ^_^

The damage you do against a PvE mob doesn't equal what you'd do to another player. There's armor, mitigation, shields. If you can catch a player off guard like on a mount running by it'll still take you two to four hits from Snipe to do it.

Elijah_Crow

ArchMikem wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Gear, there gear is the cause of that. Not the arrows.

That's what I mean. If I got a full Gold gear Stam NB with the correct race for Bow damage etc. Surely I can one shot people? ^_^

The damage you do against a PvE mob doesn't equal what you'd do to another player. There's armor, mitigation, shields. If you can catch a player off guard like on a mount running by it'll still take you two to four hits from Snipe to do it.

Lethal Arrow, Ambush, Viper's Sting, Velidreth, Disease will usually do it and if you are good you can land the Killer's Blade in the same moment Ambush and Lethal Arrow hit. That's more than enough. See above.

ArchMikem

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Gear, there gear is the cause of that. Not the arrows.

That's what I mean. If I got a full Gold gear Stam NB with the correct race for Bow damage etc. Surely I can one shot people? ^_^

The damage you do against a PvE mob doesn't equal what you'd do to another player. There's armor, mitigation, shields. If you can catch a player off guard like on a mount running by it'll still take you two to four hits from Snipe to do it.

Lethal Arrow, Ambush, Viper's Sting, Velidreth will usually do it and if you are good you can land the Killer's Blade in the same moment Ambush and Lethal Arrow hit. That's more than enough. See above.

That's not a "one shot" though as the OP is talking about, that's animation cancelling a bunch of abilities at once in conjunction with Proc Sets.

Elijah_Crow

ArchMikem wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

But I've had CP1000 friends telling me they've been one shotted a couple of times in Cyrodil, whilst running from A to B on their mounts.. Maybe a proc set boosted their damage?

Gear, there gear is the cause of that. Not the arrows.

That's what I mean. If I got a full Gold gear Stam NB with the correct race for Bow damage etc. Surely I can one shot people? ^_^

The damage you do against a PvE mob doesn't equal what you'd do to another player. There's armor, mitigation, shields. If you can catch a player off guard like on a mount running by it'll still take you two to four hits from Snipe to do it.

Lethal Arrow, Ambush, Viper's Sting, Velidreth will usually do it and if you are good you can land the Killer's Blade in the same moment Ambush and Lethal Arrow hit. That's more than enough. See above.

That's not a "one shot" though as the OP is talking about, that's animation cancelling a bunch of abilities at once in conjunction with Proc Sets.

That's very true, but it gives the illusion and the effect of being one shot if the target dies in 1 or two seconds.

vamp_emily

Well you could try this

- Go outside a keep and watch someone get on their horse
- Hit them with Prolong Suffering, so they are just dead meat for 30 seconds
- Light bow attack from stealth
- Snipe from stealth
- If they don't die, hit them with poison injection

Then hide, because after they die and will come out looking for you

Maybe use Armor:
Clever Alchemist/Marksman
Clever Alchemist/Viper

Tryxus

It's def possible. I had a bow build going on my StamBlade back when TG was released, and I might revive it soon when I'm finished with my Sap Tank.

But even as a Bow main, you'll still need a 2H weapon on your back bar for both Rally (must have Stam Heal in PvP) as well for melee options, cuz you're not gonna be at range all the time.

And the good thing about wielding 2x 2H weapons: you can alternate between sets (for example: 3x Jewels, 1x Gear and 1x Bow + 4x Gear and 1x 2H Weapon) which allows you to alternate between the 5pc Bonuses on the right weapons and be able to wear a full Monster set

On the bow bar, you could have a set like Vicecannon of Venom, Marksmans or Spriggan for the Penetration
On the 2H, you could have Viper, Eternal Hunt (What I'm planning on using) or even Clever Alchemist for a hefty Weapon Damage buff (Really lethal with a Weapon Damage potion)