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Dear ZOS: Tanks need a new taunt!
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Sogreth✭✭✭
Then you must be bad at the game? Meh. Everyone has to start somewhere, right? You'll get there.0 -
IronCrystal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dungeons are already making me fall asleep while taunting. All I do is run into the group, talons, and throw out a few single target taunts.
In a boss fight? You'll see me run in, grab aggro, and sit in one place the entire time all I'm doing is generating ultimate and warhorning.
Vet trials is where things get fun for a tank, but no an AOE taunt is not needed there.Make PC NA raiding great again!
Down with drama!
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Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭Fallen_Ray wrote: »No, not this again ._.
The only thing they could do, is to add some markers on taunted mobs, which only the tank can see. Should help new players.
Also agree! Well, make more noticeable markers. Taunted targets have the red Final Fantasy-like Berserk aura but in a large mob you loose visual of what is taunted and what is not
Well yeah, wasn't too clear.
I thought about a marker similar to "aimed shot" or this quest reward trophy, which casts a blue light pillar above you (not sure about its name, something with Finvir...Finvirs Charm?).
Those are easier noticed even in all the AoE spam, since its above the ground.
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TheSeer✭✭✭Thing is the AoE taunt would be added, meaning it won't replace the current Taunt.
Wanna AoE taunt? Fine.
Wanna single taunt? That's alright with me.
As a Healer I don't care either way, so long as I am not being attacked.
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Mrs_Malaka
Fortunately Zos designs the game and intended for tanks not taunt every mob in a group which means an AoE taunt is not needed.
Tanks need to choose what is priority for them to taunt. DDs and healers are all able to cope with one or two smaller mobs by blocking and moving and of course killing them.
It's great that an AoE taunt is not needed.
Nor is the Single target taunt . you dont even need a a tank for 95 % of the content its all DPS anyhow.Before they do anything with taunts they need to fix their philosphy.0 -
Mrs_Malaka✭✭✭✭I agree with @TheSeer
It would be nice if people could choose to taunt with an AOE or single target. This game is a lot about "choice" and I find, as a long-time ESO player just learning to tank, that an AOE would help me learn the ropes faster and less awkwardly.
I've always done (excellent)healer & generally good dps roles. I have tried to tank before in the past (2015) yet I could never get the hang of it because I always felt like I was doing a crap job on taunting. I never want to be a burden to my party members, so maybe tanking isn't for me, I guess, which sucks because I strive to be versatile.
"But screw your courage to the sticking-place,
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Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've been back and forth on this myself.
When I started tanking I wanted an AOE forced taunt.
As I got better I realized I don't need one.
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✭✭✭✭✭Thing is the AoE taunt would be added, meaning it won't replace the current Taunt.
Wanna AoE taunt? Fine.
Wanna single taunt? That's alright with me.
As a Healer I don't care either way, so long as I am not being attacked.
Exactly this.
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Liofa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not this again . It is stated that AOE taunt won't be added to the game it shouldn't be . Anyone who knows how to tank EFFICIENTLY will say the same thing . Instead of taunting everything , give some support . That 1k hit from the add doesn't hurt anyone . Again , I will keep my promise about posting this song to every AOE Taunt thread . Enjoy !
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bigted209✭✭✭No, we don't. Been running a tank since shortly after PS4 launch and have been doing so rather successfully. Stop being lazy and learn how to do your job.1
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hell no tanking in eso is a joke ... taunt hold block sip coffee .... if u think an aoe taunt would be benficial then i have to say your tanking wrong ... giving tanks an aoe taunt would kill tanking make it to easy ... this would be one of the worst ideas zos could ever implement next to quarterly watered down expansions
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not this again . It is stated that AOE taunt won't be added to the game it shouldn't be . Anyone who knows how to tank EFFICIENTLY will say the same thing . Instead of taunting everything , give some support . That 1k hit from the add doesn't hurt anyone . Again , I will keep my promise about posting this song to every AOE Taunt thread . Enjoy !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IiHRSBAMwU
Ok this has just won the internet . you sir are now correctly tanking the forums. Still does not change the fact ESO tanks are just DPS with a taunt and war horn.0 -
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Then you must be bad at the game? Meh. Everyone has to start somewhere, right? You'll get there.
Because an aoe taunt of tanks is the definition of skill?
Why is he bad at the game if he can tank easily enough without aoe taunts and while you want an aoe taunt so you can just hold block and afk?PS4 EU DC
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Mrs_Malaka✭✭✭✭No, we don't. Been running a tank since shortly after PS4 launch and have been doing so rather successfully. Stop being lazy and learn how to do your job.
I'm not being lazy. You could ask any of my friends/guild members whom I do pledges, trials and pvp with. They will tell you that I put effort into my roles and in trying to be a better player and member in the community.
I was merely SUGGESTING that AOE be added. I didn't say that every tank in ESO MUST use it.
Some of you tanks who are posting try sound like you are the cockswalk by saying you can taunt blindfolded while baking a cake, replacing a car battery, and conducting the nutcracker suite. Good for you. But saying "L2P", "you're being lazy", "learn your job" and such things just isn't constructive and doesn't really encourage me to want to tank. If being an *** is a requirement to be a tank, I want nothing of it."But screw your courage to the sticking-place,
And we’ll not fail."
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Mrs_Malaka✭✭✭✭oh and happy holidays
"But screw your courage to the sticking-place,
And we’ll not fail."
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thing is the AoE taunt would be added, meaning it won't replace the current Taunt.
Wanna AoE taunt? Fine.
Wanna single taunt? That's alright with me.
As a Healer I don't care either way, so long as I am not being attacked.
@TheSeer
Moot point. Zos has already said no to an AoE taunt. Fortunately. They want tanks to learn to tank.0 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭Mrs_Malaka wrote: »I agree with @TheSeer
It would be nice if people could choose to taunt with an AOE or single target. This game is a lot about "choice" and I find, as a long-time ESO player just learning to tank, that an AOE would help me learn the ropes faster and less awkwardly.
I've always done (excellent)healer & generally good dps roles. I have tried to tank before in the past (2015) yet I could never get the hang of it because I always felt like I was doing a crap job on taunting. I never want to be a burden to my party members, so maybe tanking isn't for me, I guess, which sucks because I strive to be versatile.
And you can be you started the thread by saying you're new to tanking just keep at it and with experience you will probably agree with us before you know it
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bigted209✭✭✭Mrs_Malaka wrote: »No, we don't. Been running a tank since shortly after PS4 launch and have been doing so rather successfully. Stop being lazy and learn how to do your job.
I'm not being lazy. You could ask any of my friends/guild members whom I do pledges, trials and pvp with. They will tell you that I put effort into my roles and in trying to be a better player and member in the community.
I was merely SUGGESTING that AOE be added. I didn't say that every tank in ESO MUST use it.
Some of you tanks who are posting try sound like you are the cockswalk by saying you can taunt blindfolded while baking a cake, replacing a car battery, and conducting the nutcracker suite. Good for you. But saying "L2P", "you're being lazy", "learn your job" and such things just isn't constructive and doesn't really encourage me to want to tank. If being an *** is a requirement to be a tank, I want nothing of it.
Yes that was condescending of me, apologies. Allow me to start again...
Truth be told, it actually kind of is. You are the focal point, the spotlight holder, the mortar that holds the group together. A degree of arrogance is quite useful. An AOE taunt would make things far too....elementary. Let's take bottom boss on vet hel ra. You have upwards of 5-7 welwa to manage along with the boss... and AOE taunt would make this fight stupid easy to tank since one button press every 7-10 seconds would be all that's needed to Afro everything. Same applies for all bosses with adds and everything leading up to it. The game is easy enough with DPS characters nuking everything in seconds, no need to dumb it down further.0 -
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✭✭✭There really isn't a valid reason for or against adding an AoE taunt to the game.
A good group burns thru trash in dungeons like butter so an AoE taunt is wasted and in Trials pulling everything is practically a death sentence so it's pointless there too.
Then we look at utility and cost of an AoE taunt.
Pierce Armor costs ~1k stamina
and is a single target debuff
Inner Fire costs ~2-3K magic/stamina and is a single target ranged taunt with a synergy.
Most pbAoE are in the range of 4k cost
So we'd be looking at a maybe 5-7k costing ability, maybe even more depending on if you add utility, make it ranged or both. Then considering AoE caps, you'd probably be using WAY more resources using an AoE taunt vs just Pierce Armor all the same targets 1 at a time. Then, there are those enemies that immune to taunting all together that make an AoE taunt useless anyways. A bad tank won't be able to maintain using an AoE taunt for long at that cost so again, it's pointless. The absolute only time an AoE taunt would be useful would be on a good tank in a bad group but considering that you can solo most of the content in this game, with a enough CP and experience, you'd be better off using those resources in other abilities to help you solo it instead of an AoE taunt.
tl;dr
Trial groups wouldn't use it as it would be too risky, good teams for dungeons wouldn't need it as everything is already dead, bad groups can't use it because they are still bad.
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✭✭✭✭I really hope they don't ever put in an AoE taunt. However it could be nice to have a little visual over an enemy's head if they are currently taunted. That way we don't have to waste time double taunting if not necessary and we'll have an easier time seeing which mobs are not currently taunted.1 -
Mrs_Malaka✭✭✭✭I really hope they don't ever put in an AoE taunt. However it could be nice to have a little visual over an enemy's head if they are currently taunted. That way we don't have to waste time double taunting if not necessary and we'll have an easier time seeing which mobs are not currently taunted.
This right here would definitely help. I lose track so easily on who I poked >.<"But screw your courage to the sticking-place,
And we’ll not fail."
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mrs_Malaka wrote: »No, we don't. Been running a tank since shortly after PS4 launch and have been doing so rather successfully. Stop being lazy and learn how to do your job.
I'm not being lazy. You could ask any of my friends/guild members whom I do pledges, trials and pvp with. They will tell you that I put effort into my roles and in trying to be a better player and member in the community.
I was merely SUGGESTING that AOE be added. I didn't say that every tank in ESO MUST use it.
Some of you tanks who are posting try sound like you are the cockswalk by saying you can taunt blindfolded while baking a cake, replacing a car battery, and conducting the nutcracker suite. Good for you. But saying "L2P", "you're being lazy", "learn your job" and such things just isn't constructive and doesn't really encourage me to want to tank. If being an *** is a requirement to be a tank, I want nothing of it.
Yes that was condescending of me, apologies. Allow me to start again...
Truth be told, it actually kind of is. You are the focal point, the spotlight holder, the mortar that holds the group together. A degree of arrogance is quite useful. An AOE taunt would make things far too....elementary. Let's take bottom boss on vet hel ra. You have upwards of 5-7 welwa to manage along with the boss... and AOE taunt would make this fight stupid easy to tank since one button press every 7-10 seconds would be all that's needed to Afro everything. Same applies for all bosses with adds and everything leading up to it. The game is easy enough with DPS characters nuking everything in seconds, no need to dumb it down further.
the last part of your statement is exactly what is wrong with ESO for tanks. Now i will admit Tanking V hel ra is challenging and most V trials. but the rest of the game is just pointless and all dps centric. Some of the pulls in SOTH dungeons were tank heavy and felt fun as a tank.
The game lacks a lot in the utility and tank department. it should be expanded, now i dont think a AOE taunt would do anything to increase the fun of the role. the whole philosphy needs to be changed to move the other roles outside of DPS forward.1 -
Skayaq✭✭✭✭✭since one button press every 7-10 seconds would be all that's needed to Afro everything.
Someone please photoshop a group a Welwas with afro please.Kazari-Dar, Khajiit Nightblade..........Jarkyr Storm-Blade, Nord Sorcerer .......... Dunric Amedain, Breton Templar
Araniwen, Altmer Sorcerer..................Llirasa Andralu, Dunmer Templar...................Marzug gro-Borgaz, Orc Warden
Calinchel, Bosmer Warden...................Jahrel-Xei, Argonian Nightblade....................Cienri Maraeud, Breton Sorcerer
Inara Savicci, Imperial Templar...................Garoric Attilus, Imperial Dragonknight............ Maevina Tallian, Imperial Nightblade
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gard✭✭✭✭✭Speaking as a player who tanks quite a lot, I don't really see the need for an AOE taunt.
The tank needs to get aggro at the beginning of a fight, and dps needs to be intelligent enough to make sure tank has aggro before they dive in. Pretty simple.
If someone happens to get aggro from an add and the tank can't range taunt (maybe because of other bad guys in the way) they kite the add to the tank if they want the tank to take aggro.
Isn't the game dumbed down enough as it is?
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Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Need aoe taunt = pure l2p issue.
Be honest woeler, you know tanking in this game is not even needed for 95% of the content. Yes it is challenging and fun at the level you do it. And now with the current philosophy an aoe taunt is pointless. Currently a tank is dps with a taunt ,when you get to the level of pro content its war horn, vigor ,and peronal survivability. The main problem is dps is by far the most challenging roll in the game . Very little need for tanks except a few vr dungeons , and VR trials. So the true L2p elitist part of your statement is learn to play dps while managing a taunt.1
