[BUG, Video] Flame/Power lash is reflectable by eclipse

Sugaroverdose

Subj
https://youtu.be/9Nfllylyjsw

caeliusstarbreaker

So is rearming trap

Asgari

Eclipse has reflected whip for a looooooooooooooooooong time now.

Sugaroverdose

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

So is rearming trap

it's actually completely different skills, can't say that it should reflect trap, but lash is mele ability and don't have projectile to reflect

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Eclipse has reflected whip for a looooooooooooooooooong time now.

didn't seen any posts about that. So this PoS is intended?

Lucky28

concealed weapon and soul tether are also reflected by that.

Master_Kas

Some weeks ago, I was bombing 3 guys who was next to two NPC's. And while I gapclose with lotusfan I get the bubble on me by a NPC. I ignore it and proceed to time my tether with deto.

When the players die, I die aswell. My recap shows 2x vicious death procs in my recap (while I was alone, it was my own VD procs which got reflected back by the npc eclipse and killed me)

Working as intended?

Sugaroverdose

Lucky28 wrote: »

concealed weapon and soul tether are also reflected by that.

and zero posts about it)
so tooltip just lies to us:

Envelop enemy in a lightless sphere that reflects back any harmful projectile the enemy casts for 5 seconds.

honestly, if I didn't notice that multiple power lash, I wouldn't even notice this. But from my PoV it's definitely bug, only projectiles should be reflected

Asgari

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

concealed weapon and soul tether are also reflected by that.

and zero posts about it)
so tooltip just lies to us:

Envelop enemy in a lightless sphere that reflects back any harmful projectile the enemy casts for 5 seconds.

honestly, if I didn't notice that multiple power lash, I wouldn't even notice this. But from my PoV it's definitely bug, only projectiles should be reflected

It's a bug. It's just been around forever.

Sugaroverdose

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

It's a bug. It's just been around forever.

@Wrobel gj bro

BRogueNZ

Were you even damaging yourself in your video?

I thought they fixed the lash reflection awhile back.

DKsUnite

its been like this for years

Lord_Hev

It reflects invigorating drain too.

omfgitsbatman

And BURNING EMBERS

Koolio

And Relentless Focus

Elara_Northwind

Why is everyone always picking templars for??? I don't know any templars who even slot that skill... Why are people suddenly all complaining again about a magicka class when stamina ones are running around all over the place one shotting people with their clothes

Joy_Division

Eclipse originally reflected any spell, whether it was melee, projectile, or even ultimate. Unless it was a melee weapon skill, it was getting reflected. Even with this "bug" the kill sucked.

They changed the player version of the skill to just reflect projectiles.

You were hit by an NPC version of the skill. That might still be the same as the original version. Though it looks like in your video, your whip is getting absorbed rather than reflected since neither you or the npc is taking any damage.

Xinthisis

It's the NPC version, which has probably never been changed since launch. Eclipse used to reflect ANY single target magicka ability. Even with that, it was better to run blinding flashes on a templar. They swapped that out for jesusbeam. I believe the version the npcs have absorbed damage then stored it up to burst you when the eclipse ends. So yeah, cc break the eclipse. Bash heavy att... oh wait..

Sugaroverdose

Joy_Division wrote: »

Eclipse originally reflected any spell, whether it was melee, projectile, or even ultimate. Unless it was a melee weapon skill, it was getting reflected. Even with this "bug" the kill sucked.

They changed the player version of the skill to just reflect projectiles.

You were hit by an NPC version of the skill. That might still be the same as the original version. Though it looks like in your video, your whip is getting absorbed rather than reflected since neither you or the npc is taking any damage.

Problem is that for some reason NPC version of silence was updated with sorc version and something tells me that eclipse logic is exactly the same with templars one.

Koolio wrote: »

And Relentless Focus

If you talking about spectral bow, it's projectile and it can be reflected any other way

Sugaroverdose

SadieJoan wrote: »

Why is everyone always picking templars for??? I don't know any templars who even slot that skill... Why are people suddenly all complaining again about a magicka class when stamina ones are running around all over the place one shotting people with their clothes

it just should not reflect mele skills, even if we talk about guards who actually twice more powerful vs magicka than vs stamina

Ankael07

SadieJoan wrote: »

Why is everyone always picking templars for??? I don't know any templars who even slot that skill... Why are people suddenly all complaining again about a magicka class when stamina ones are running around all over the place one shotting people with their clothes

Nobody is picking on templars. Nobody is defending stamina nor proc sets. People are just reporting a bug that needs fixed. Youre starting an argument out of nowhere.

omfgitsbatman

Koolio wrote: »

And Relentless Focus

Relentless Focus is a projectile

Cinbri

It not bug. NPC Eclipse use old Eclipse mechanic that was nerfed for Templar but stayed for NPC - reflect everything(mostly), that how it working for npc for 2 years already.
Hope in U13 zos will come together with their mind and make Eclipse back to what it was for templars. It is frustrating to see how brainless npc have awesome black sphere while your own skill is total garbage. npc > players.

WillhelmBlack

DKsUnite wrote: »

its been like this for years

^

WillhelmBlack

Cinbri wrote: »

It not bug. NPC Eclipse use old Eclipse mechanic that was nerfed for Templar but stayed for NPC - reflect everything(mostly), that how it working for npc for 2 years already.
Hope in U13 zos will come together with their mind and make Eclipse back to what it was for templars. It is frustrating to see how brainless npc have awesome black sphere while your own skill is total garbage. npc > players.

I never want to see the return of old eclipse, in fact Templar would be better off if that buggy skill was replaced.

Ghostbane

NPC Eclipse is still the original, and reflects just about everything single target, even Eclipse.

I don't think there was ever been a time of where I could whip with eclipse on.

Sugaroverdose

Ghostbane wrote: »

NPC Eclipse is still the original, and reflects just about everything single target, even Eclipse.

I don't think there was ever been a time of where I could whip with eclipse on.

So it completely negates single target magicka and doesn't touch any stamina abilities?

Ghostbane

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

NPC Eclipse is still the original, and reflects just about everything single target, even Eclipse.

I don't think there was ever been a time of where I could whip with eclipse on.

So it completely negates single target magicka and doesn't touch any stamina abilities?

Yes sir.

Sugaroverdose

Ghostbane wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

NPC Eclipse is still the original, and reflects just about everything single target, even Eclipse.

I don't think there was ever been a time of where I could whip with eclipse on.

So it completely negates single target magicka and doesn't touch any stamina abilities?

Yes sir.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler is this normal to have complete imbalance between magicka and stamina even if we talk about guards?

Destruent

I came to this thread and thought eclipse was usefull again....until i noticed OP is talking about NPC-Eclipse.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

NPC Eclipse is still the original, and reflects just about everything single target, even Eclipse.

I don't think there was ever been a time of where I could whip with eclipse on.

So it completely negates single target magicka and doesn't touch any stamina abilities?

Iirc in 1.6 it also reflected stam-classskills like surprise attack or ults like incap. So much fun to see gankblades kill thereselves with evlipse on them

Cinbri wrote: »

It not bug. NPC Eclipse use old Eclipse mechanic that was nerfed for Templar but stayed for NPC - reflect everything(mostly), that how it working for npc for 2 years already.
Hope in U13 zos will come together with their mind and make Eclipse back to what it was for templars. It is frustrating to see how brainless npc have awesome black sphere while your own skill is total garbage. npc > players.

Yes pls

pcar944

Master_Kas wrote: »

Some weeks ago, I was bombing 3 guys who was next to two NPC's. And while I gapclose with lotusfan I get the bubble on me by a NPC. I ignore it and proceed to time my tether with deto.

When the players die, I die aswell. My recap shows 2x vicious death procs in my recap (while I was alone, it was my own VD procs which got reflected back by the npc eclipse and killed me)

Working as intended?

I hate when that happens

WuffyCerulei

I love Eclipse but it shouldn't be reflecting melee attacks/abilities. I'll have to test it out with some buddies to see what it shouldn't reflect.