Enough with the nonsense ZOS, GIVE CONSOLE BUFF TIMERS!!!!!

UppGRAYxDD

yes, in all caps. Cmon ZOS it has been over a year and still no buff timers. I understand it is important to have all these new additions to the game for many reasons, but could you at least put one of the plethora of interns or developers on a matter that actually matters to every player regardless of class, race, or pve/pvp centrality? Its like building a car without a speedometer or fuel gauge and then focusing your efforts on how the car looks. Performace>>>>>>>>>>Accessories. L2Develop....GetGud ZOS

Birdovic

"L2Develop" ?
"GetGud ZOS"?

I can't really take you serious, but anyway:
buff timers are in the works.

UppGRAYxDD

Birdovic wrote: »

"L2Develop" ?
"GetGud ZOS"?

I can't really take you serious, but anyway:
buff timers are in the works.

Been in the works for too long....Its silly that buff timers are not on console yet.

NewBlacksmurf

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

Junipus

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

yes, in all caps. Cmon ZOS it has been over a year and still no buff timers. I understand it is important to have all these new additions to the game for many reasons, but could you at least put one of the plethora of interns or developers on a matter that actually matters to every player regardless of class, race, or pve/pvp centrality? Its like building a car without a speedometer or fuel gauge and then focusing your efforts on how the car looks. Performace>>>>>>>>>>Accessories. L2Develop....GetGud ZOS

Analogy alley beckons me again. All the above said by someone who wants to drive his speedster while owning a tractor.

UppGRAYxDD

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

So you are telling me that they intentionally created a MMO that uses buffs and debuffs constantly, but failed to even think about or develop buff timers?

wow, just wow

RazorCaltrops

They should have been introduced a long time ago. However, the lack of these tools doesn't prevent people from improving themselves. If you (in fact, your muscle memory) know the rotation and adapt it to different fights to optimize your damage, that's what matters. And it is easily noticeable when yourself/your group doing something wrong when the bosses' health go down slower then expected.

They will be a nice addition, but they are not game breaking.

UppGRAYxDD

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

They should have been introduced a long time ago. However, the lack of these tools doesn't prevent people from improving themselves. If you (in fact, your muscle memory) know the rotation and adapt it to different fights to optimize your damage, that's what matters. And it is easily noticeable when yourself/your group doing something wrong when the bosses' health go down slower then expected.

They will be a nice addition, but they are not game breaking.

Maybe in PvE, but PvP its a whole different ballgame

Dymence

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

They should have been introduced a long time ago. However, the lack of these tools doesn't prevent people from improving themselves. If you (in fact, your muscle memory) know the rotation and adapt it to different fights to optimize your damage, that's what matters. And it is easily noticeable when yourself/your group doing something wrong when the bosses' health go down slower then expected.

They will be a nice addition, but they are not game breaking.

Maybe in PvE, but PvP its a whole different ballgame

Lmao you know bufftrackers in PVE are far more useful than in PVP? You need bufftrackers in PVE to do optimal DPS and maximize your rotation. No such thing in PVP. I actually know quite a lot of people who don't use a bufftracker in PVP at all, just to have a cleaner UI.

DRXHarbinger

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

They should have been introduced a long time ago. However, the lack of these tools doesn't prevent people from improving themselves. If you (in fact, your muscle memory) know the rotation and adapt it to different fights to optimize your damage, that's what matters. And it is easily noticeable when yourself/your group doing something wrong when the bosses' health go down slower then expected.

They will be a nice addition, but they are not game breaking.

Maybe in PvE, but PvP its a whole different ballgame

That's not what killed you. The other guy didn't have them either. Buff timers don't save lives.

NewBlacksmurf

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

So you are telling me that they intentionally created a MMO that uses buffs and debuffs constantly, but failed to even think about or develop buff timers?

wow, just wow

@UppGRAYxDD

Actually they intentionally created a TES games using a MMO mega server.

It was never intended to be like any MMORPG from the start.

Go read the news section and development section of the website from the first pages. That may help to understand what this game intends to be and why some of the assumed items you may see in other games played on a MMO server aren't present

Sugaroverdose

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

yes, in all caps. Cmon ZOS it has been over a year and still no buff timers. I understand it is important to have all these new additions to the game for many reasons, but could you at least put one of the plethora of interns or developers on a matter that actually matters to every player regardless of class, race, or pve/pvp centrality? Its like building a car without a speedometer or fuel gauge and then focusing your efforts on how the car looks. Performace>>>>>>>>>>Accessories. L2Develop....GetGud ZOS

It would be better if they implement addons, fallout4/skyrim does have them on both platforms.

UppGRAYxDD

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

They should have been introduced a long time ago. However, the lack of these tools doesn't prevent people from improving themselves. If you (in fact, your muscle memory) know the rotation and adapt it to different fights to optimize your damage, that's what matters. And it is easily noticeable when yourself/your group doing something wrong when the bosses' health go down slower then expected.

They will be a nice addition, but they are not game breaking.

Maybe in PvE, but PvP its a whole different ballgame

That's not what killed you. The other guy didn't have them either. Buff timers don't save lives.

Lol, of course I would get this response. It would be nice to have buff timers to know when to cleanse dots off and to know when your defensive buffs were gonna run out. Visual indicators are not enough, and frankly its blatantly ignorant that the game devs have not included buff timers on PC or console yet.

NewBlacksmurf

Maybe read this first:

Just take in the whole idea

http://kotaku.com/5918689/the-elder-scrolls-online-is-not-as-world-of-warcraft-as-you-might-fear

UppGRAYxDD

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maybe read this first:

Just take in the whole idea

http://kotaku.com/5918689/the-elder-scrolls-online-is-not-as-world-of-warcraft-as-you-might-fear

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maybe read this first:

Buff timers on a game that uses buffs and debuffs constantly. Take that whole idea in.

MaxwellC

Buff timers will be coming but... only when they fix cyrodiil which has been a 2 year work in progress

DRXHarbinger

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

They should have been introduced a long time ago. However, the lack of these tools doesn't prevent people from improving themselves. If you (in fact, your muscle memory) know the rotation and adapt it to different fights to optimize your damage, that's what matters. And it is easily noticeable when yourself/your group doing something wrong when the bosses' health go down slower then expected.

They will be a nice addition, but they are not game breaking.

Maybe in PvE, but PvP its a whole different ballgame

That's not what killed you. The other guy didn't have them either. Buff timers don't save lives.

Lol, of course I would get this response. It would be nice to have buff timers to know when to cleanse dots off and to know when your defensive buffs were gonna run out. Visual indicators are not enough, and frankly its blatantly ignorant that the game devs have not included buff timers on PC or console yet.

Isn't a message saying cleanse now a bit op? May as well just not have dots. That's a step too far imo. You'll just get stalemates and may as well just fist fight.

ItsGlaive

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

So you are telling me that they intentionally created a MMO that uses buffs and debuffs constantly, but failed to even think about or develop buff timers?

wow, just wow

Exactly that. It was completely intentional, part of the minimal UI design. To be honest I don't think the addons for buff tracking were even intending during development either.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

So you are telling me that they intentionally created a MMO that uses buffs and debuffs constantly, but failed to even think about or develop buff timers?

wow, just wow

Yes, they intentionally made an mmo for people who dont want to play mmos. Or they had no idea what they were doing. Take your pick.

NewBlacksmurf

Xabien wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

So you are telling me that they intentionally created a MMO that uses buffs and debuffs constantly, but failed to even think about or develop buff timers?

wow, just wow

Exactly that. It was completely intentional, part of the minimal UI design. To be honest I don't think the addons for buff tracking were even intending during development either.

Initially the UI was very open...but I think around 30 days befor PC release it was changed and made many upset but the devs said they didn't want this to look and feel like another MMO.

I find that people struggle to comprehend a server type isn't a type of game.

It's the server that will drive development decisions but this is a RPG game played online.

Everything else asthe devs have always discussed is intended to be different than any other game.

Literally they even said the look was to be better than TES which is why their characters aren't similar and the armor.

Destyran

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

Why would they waste money implementing it when someone did it for them for free. When console gets buff trackers we will finally start to beat all pc top scores!!

UppGRAYxDD

@ZOS_JasonI
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_GaryA
@ZOS_TristanK

Buff Timers? If its a UI problem, please you can have the overtime animations back....



*edited to add cute cat, that helps right?

Wollust

Can we now all agree on the fact that PC is the master race after all?

The_Duke

We dont need timers. You need to L2P and GitGud

Paneross

Wollust wrote: »

Can we now all agree on the fact that PC is the master race after all?

Incorrect. Console players are doing EVERYTHING PC players are completing; VMA, VDSA,VET TRIALS, PVP. Without the helping hand of add-ons. We don't have a hand to hold while doing all the same tasks. Therefore making console players better.

UppGRAYxDD

The_Duke wrote: »

We dont need timers. You need to L2P and GitGud

right, or just get a pc huh

Nyx2

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

How is a UI designed for mouse supposed to function with game pads?

Strider_Roshin

Learn to think. I actually enjoy mentally tracking my buffs, and I do just fine with it. Dumbing down the game is just going to take away another aspect of skill from it.

Strider_Roshin

Don't worry though. I'm confident that you'll get your way eventually. I can't recall the last time ZOS made a change that required you to be more talented of a player afterwards. Oh wait, there was that time when they reduced the duration of shields, and made cloak useless by removing its purge.

SnubbS

The only skill that really needs a buff timer imo is Crit Surge in vMA. Watching Fengrush run vMA with the giant ass crit surge counter that takes up like 10% of the screen is hilarious, and also something I wish I had.

If you PvE enough -- or play with the same build and/or class enough, you'll get the rotation down well enough to where you're recasting abilities at the correct time anyway. You can sit down with a friend in tank gear and literally go through rotations until you figure out how many of X ability you can spam until you're required to recast 'Y' & 'Z' ability so that the buffs/dots never actually fall off without being recast too early. It sounds a lot more complicated that it is.

You build your rotation by casting your dots in order from longest to shortest -- and figuring how many times you can hit your spammable ability before they need to be recast.

Wollust wrote: »

Can we now all agree on the fact that PC is the master race after all?

Hail the master race.

NewBlacksmurf

Destyran wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You do realize PC doesn't have this either. A seperate mod creator did this so technically you'd have to wait on ZOS adding this to the game.

It's not like they're just not doing for one and have done so for the other.

Perhaps a better request is to do away with the console UI so they can better focus on one UI and drastically shorten all update requests

Why would they waste money implementing it when someone did it for them for free. When console gets buff trackers we will finally start to beat all pc top scores!!

@Destyran

LOL I have no idea why they would but people are arguing they should. My thoughts are to play on the platform that offers the options you want.

Now in terms of the feature itself, they don't own the rights and actually don't know all the ins and outs of a created mod cause they didn't create it.

I'd imagine that the actual mod creator could offer them the option to use it with no charge and free support but that's unlikely.

Also consider the UI mod is intentionally not offered by ZOS. It's not that they can't offer it, they chose not to for reasons....they've now said they will offer something in the future

Ppl who want it have to wait and see