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Good DPS for stam DK?

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Hey all, what's considered good stam DK DPS? I'm running this build at the moment (it's a trials build). All gear and weapons are gold and divines or robust... Just waiting on spriggans gold jewellery but it's purple atm:

Bar 1: steel tornado/blade cloak (adds or single target) : rending slashes : rapid strikes : noxious breath : rearming trap : flawless dawnbreaker
Main hand: Spriggan sharpened dagger
Off hand: Spriggan precise dagger

Bar 2: poison injection : venomous claw : endless hail : igneous weapons : vigour : bow ultimate
Main hand: Master bow

Head: heavy velidreth
Chest: Alkosh
Shoulders: heavy velidreth
Waist: Alkosh
Hands: Alkosh
Legs: Alkosh
Feet: Alkosh
Neck: Spriggan
Ring 1 & 2: Spriggan

CP: Mighty 100 ... Thaumaturge 60 ... Precise strikes 27

I did a DPS test in vet wayrest 1. With no additional buffs other than master bow poison injection, major fracture, and igneous weapons (so no spc, minor or major force, combat prayer, aether debuff, Alkosh, etc) I'm hitting 25k damage per second exactly. I understand the Alkosh is a group buff set. I'm animation cancelling everything. Does this sound reasonable? As I said, this is my trials build I've been running for a while. I just want to check I'm not putting out low damage.

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  • acw37162
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    Switch venom claw and breath.

    Single target DOTS maintain the properties of the bar they were applied on while AOE Dot such as breath and arrow barrage properties will change based on the bar you are on.

    Putting claw on on your front Bar gutantees higher damage and crit.

    I wouldn't run Alkosh but if you like it and it works for you brother keep rocking it. I don't prefer unles I'm tanking but it is a great set.

    If you absolutely wanted to run a debuff set Night Mothers has been mentioned but if you run with other stam DK's or other stamina DPS Morag Tong is a monster set.

    It's a target debuff not a self buff so any poison damage by any player is more damage.

    5 Vicious Ophidion
    5 Morag Tong

    Is a very nice set up.
    Edited by acw37162 on December 7, 2016 2:23AM
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  • jkolb2030
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    Spriggans has no place in a trial build. It is great solo or against heavy armor users in PVP, but you will do better with other sets in a trial. Assuming you have proper raid Debuffs, the penetration becomes wasted.

    Nightmothers is better than spriggans in a trial, no question. If someone else has it covered, than TBS is probably your best bet. Alkosh is great group synergy, but most raids have their tank run it. Again, you dont need to. I would replace it with VO if that is the case. It all depends on your raid.

    As for 25k, that is not bad if it really is a self buffed parse. Could it be higher? Yep.

    I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face when it comes to TBS. ZOS have so many good sets but everyone is running TBS. I get that my DPS is suffering as result which is why I posted the question on here to see if 25k unbuffed is decent and not letting the team down. It seems it's a good build for me and for the group so I'm happy with it :smile:

    That's what it really comes down to, honestly. If you run Alkosh with a set trials group and everyone knows what the other is running and built around eachother accordingly, there is no need to run TBS if your build works.

    I run TBS in trials just because I basically run PUG trials within my guild.. We are all guildies and such, but who we run with is constantly changing as I'm not ready for a set in stone vet trials group. TBS just makes sure I'm covering myself with the thief and shadow damage boosts. If the group begins to get more of a constant between who runs them constantly, then I will look into other builds.

    I definitely wouldn't be afraid to mess around with some of the above mentioned builds with your group tho!
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  • kadar
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    Hey all, what's considered good stam DK DPS?
    @arun_rajputb16_ESO It's pretty relative really. I'm assuming you'd like to do vet Trials with this build. 20-25k is acceptable for vet Trials I'd say, with 30-35k being good DPS.

    My main is a Stamina NB, but a few things I noticed:

    Have you considered going full medium instead of 2 heavy? The main benefit would be crit. Crit is more important than the small amount of mitigation/health and 2% Stam that you're getting by wearing 2 heavy, especially in a Trial scenario.

    Night Mother's Gaze (craftable) 5pc would bring more value to your Trial group than Spriggans, because although it offers a bit less penetration, you will actually debuff the enemies you hit (granting the penetration to everyone in your raid) instead of only benefiting from Spriggan's penetration yourself.

    If you're running in a fully optimized raid (with another stam dps running NMG, tank running Alkosh, crushing enchants) you may actually be over-penetrating. EDIT: I just noticed only one of your daggers is sharpened, so you probably won't, but the maths would be easy enough to do to figure it out. What is it, 18.2k resists for Trial bosses?
    Edited by kadar on December 6, 2016 6:09PM
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Spriggans has no place in a trial build. It is great solo or against heavy armor users in PVP, but you will do better with other sets in a trial. Assuming you have proper raid Debuffs, the penetration becomes wasted.

    Nightmothers is better than spriggans in a trial, no question. If someone else has it covered, than TBS is probably your best bet. Alkosh is great group synergy, but most raids have their tank run it. Again, you dont need to. I would replace it with VO if that is the case. It all depends on your raid.

    As for 25k, that is not bad if it really is a self buffed parse. Could it be higher? Yep.
  • Nurable
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    acw37162 wrote: »
    Switch venom claw and breath.

    Single target DOTS maintain the properties of the bar they were applied on while AOE Dot such as breath and arrow barrage properties will change based on the bar you are on.

    Putting claw on on your front Bar gutantees higher damage and crit.

    I wouldn't run Alkosh but if you like it and it works for you brother keep rocking it. I don't prefer unles I'm tanking but it is a great set.

    If you absolutely wanted to run a debuff set Night Mothers has been mentioned but if you run with other stam DK's or other stamina DPS Morag Tong is a monster set.

    It's a target debuff not a self buff so any poison damage by any player is more damage.

    5 Vicious Ophidion
    5 Morag Tong

    Is a very nice set up.
    acw37162 wrote: »
    Switch venom claw and breath.

    Single target DOTS maintain the properties of the bar they were applied on while AOE Dot such as breath and arrow barrage properties will change based on the bar you are on.

    Putting claw on on your front Bar gutantees higher damage and crit.

    I wouldn't run Alkosh but if you like it and it works for you brother keep rocking it. I don't prefer unles I'm tanking but it is a great set.

    If you absolutely wanted to run a debuff set Night Mothers has been mentioned but if you run with other stam DK's or other stamina DPS Morag Tong is a monster set.

    It's a target debuff not a self buff so any poison damage by any player is more damage.

    5 Vicious Ophidion
    5 Morag Tong

    Is a very nice set up.

    I'd really like to use the Morag Tong, but it's such a hard set to get. I don't enjoy PvP so rarely play it and therefore don't have millions of AP to open lockboxes hoping to get a decent drop and trait. I have the Necklace and boots in divines already. I don't fancy my chances of getting the swords or daggers in decent traits.

    I just tested your Claw/Breath thing as I'd never heard it before. It works! Thanks very much.

    I have a tank also and I have tried Alkosh. I think it's a great set wasted on tanks. Stam classes are always in mix and do more damage activating synergies than tanks. For example, if my tank activates one of my friends liquid lightening, it does about 3.5k damage and rarely crits with that. When my stam DK activates that same liquid lightening it's doing 14k crit damage almost all of the time. If I keep doing this every time someone drops liquid lightening, undaunted orbs, dragonknight standard chains, nova, etc it adds up to quite a bit more than the tank would have done. There are far better sets for tanks to run which also help the group... ebon, tava's, lunar bastion, imperium, etc. ZOS have made tanking quite dull as it is without the dps classes making them little more than a group buff bi**h.
  • Nurable
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    Hey all, what's considered good stam DK DPS?
    @arun_rajputb16_ESO It's pretty relative really. I'm assuming you'd like to do vet Trials with this build. 20-25k is acceptable for vet Trials I'd say, with 30-35k being good DPS.

    My main is a Stamina NB, but a few things I noticed:

    Have you considered going full medium instead of 2 heavy? The main benefit would be crit. Crit is more important than the small amount of mitigation/health and 2% Stam that you're getting by wearing 2 heavy, especially in a Trial scenario.

    Night Mother's Gaze (craftable) 5pc would bring more value to your Trial group than Spriggans, because although it offers a bit less penetration, you will actually debuff the enemies you hit (granting the penetration to everyone in your raid) instead of only benefiting from Spriggan's penetration yourself.

    If you're running in a fully optimized raid (with another stam dps running NMG, tank running Alkosh, crushing enchants) you may actually be over-penetrating. EDIT: I just noticed only one of your daggers is sharpened, so you probably won't, but the maths would be easy enough to do to figure it out. What is it, 18.2k resists for Trial bosses?

    I want to use at least one heavy for the extra stam... if I ever get a medium divines head or shoulder I'll switch to that. With the thief mundus, I only lose 0.8% crit rating by having 1 heavy and 6 medium as opposed to 7 medium.

    I have a regular group of people I do trials with and we already have two who run the NMG so I don't need to run it. I used to run VO but switched to Alkosh a month ago. I don't think tanks should use it (I explain in my last reply just above) and it's a good dps set so I gave it a go. It's definitely made a difference in the group.

    As for the Spriggan... I did the maths beforehand which is why I'm using a precise dagger:

    Major Fracture/Breach (pierce armour/venomous breath/elemental drain): 5280
    Minor Fracture/Breach (power of the light): 1198
    Crusher Enchantment: 1622
    Alkosh: 3010
    NMG: 2580
    Sharpened one handed: 2580

    Total: 16,270.
    (I dropped ZOS a support ticket a while back about PvE boss resistances... and you're right, they have 18k resistances, depending of whether they're a magic or stamina damage type)

    Another sharpened trait takes me over the max resistance to 18,850 which is why I've gone for a precise dagger.

    Thanks for the response. Gave me a lot to consider. Someone else mentioned Morag Tong. I think that would be good to add to the Alkosh. My stam DK would output decent damage and be a great group buff.
  • Nurable
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    Spriggans has no place in a trial build. It is great solo or against heavy armor users in PVP, but you will do better with other sets in a trial. Assuming you have proper raid Debuffs, the penetration becomes wasted.

    Nightmothers is better than spriggans in a trial, no question. If someone else has it covered, than TBS is probably your best bet. Alkosh is great group synergy, but most raids have their tank run it. Again, you dont need to. I would replace it with VO if that is the case. It all depends on your raid.

    As for 25k, that is not bad if it really is a self buffed parse. Could it be higher? Yep.

    I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face when it comes to TBS. ZOS have so many good sets but everyone is running TBS. I get that my DPS is suffering as result which is why I posted the question on here to see if 25k unbuffed is decent and not letting the team down. It seems it's a good build for me and for the group so I'm happy with it :smile:
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Spriggans has no place in a trial build. It is great solo or against heavy armor users in PVP, but you will do better with other sets in a trial. Assuming you have proper raid Debuffs, the penetration becomes wasted.

    Nightmothers is better than spriggans in a trial, no question. If someone else has it covered, than TBS is probably your best bet. Alkosh is great group synergy, but most raids have their tank run it. Again, you dont need to. I would replace it with VO if that is the case. It all depends on your raid.

    As for 25k, that is not bad if it really is a self buffed parse. Could it be higher? Yep.

    I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face when it comes to TBS. ZOS have so many good sets but everyone is running TBS. I get that my DPS is suffering as result which is why I posted the question on here to see if 25k unbuffed is decent and not letting the team down. It seems it's a good build for me and for the group so I'm happy with it :smile:

    25k is PLENTY of deeps for most content, especially if it is unbuffed and pure single target. If your group decides to start pushing scores or working on VMOL, well, there is a reason most of us run TBS. In trials, it is really damn tough to beat if you have a good warhorn uptime (Major Force Buff). The extra health is really nice on hardmodes and it allows for the Shadow Mundus which is multiplicative with major force. In other words, when you have Major Force, you hit like a freight train.
  • Kutsuu
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    Spriggans has no place in a trial build. It is great solo or against heavy armor users in PVP, but you will do better with other sets in a trial. Assuming you have proper raid Debuffs, the penetration becomes wasted.

    Nightmothers is better than spriggans in a trial, no question. If someone else has it covered, than TBS is probably your best bet. Alkosh is great group synergy, but most raids have their tank run it. Again, you dont need to. I would replace it with VO if that is the case. It all depends on your raid.

    As for 25k, that is not bad if it really is a self buffed parse. Could it be higher? Yep.

    I know you're talking group trials without being specific, but Andy S made his 590k+ VMA stam DK score using Spriggan and dropping Noxious. Just wanted to make the point that there are cases in a trial where it's a solid performer.
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