Complicated Feelings About ESO -- Are You Worried?

AuldWolf

This isn't a thread about leaving. So we don't need any comments about stuff having because, really, that was always about as funny as 'arrow to the knee' or 'wazzzup' was. Someone said a thing and they also said it's funny, so therefore it is. Never really understood that mindset, but I digress.

I'm feeling negative about ESO lately. My partner and I have both noticed it. We're both complaining much more about the little things we used to be able to overlook. There's just been so many transgressions, and very little to actually show that ZOS understands how to be progressive and profitable, we've very little faith in ESO's future.

First was the crafting change. We could no longer craft armour that was better than what could be picked up in the world, and craftable sets fell by the wayside as generally inferior to group dungeon sets. All part of a forced grouping initiative that feels more in place in WoW than ESO. An olive branch could be offered by simply changing group dungeons to scale to the amount of people enterting, but that never happened.

Then came duelling. Which means that trolls can use duelling to annoy everyone and disrupt roleplays. Great. As if just spamming abilities wasn't bad enough. It would be nice if there were some mechanic where people who didn't want duels could turn them off, so that when a duel happens the players disappear for those who have the option on. Similar things could have been done with ignoring players. Nope.

And along with the duelling came the change to world bosses. Since there's a misguided drive at ESO for forced grouping. Only a tiny minority actually wants this, and it's often the people you wouldn't want to group with. If a person wants to group, they'll group. If they don't, then they won't. This should never be forced, it'll only alienate people and result in a dead game. See: Wildstar.

On top of that? We've still not got per-player instanced nodes, either. Global nodes should have gone out with WoW. Any game in the post-GW2 era really needs to have per player instanced nodes.

And now? Crown crates, to take advantage of people who have chemical imbalances that result in gambling problems. A point even Southpark made fun of with Freemium Isn't Free. It's just not a cool thing to do and I can't help but feel disappointed about it. I'm conflicted, because I love ESO as a game and I dig their creative efforts... It's just hard to separate the extraverted marketing moguls and the suits from the game itself when it comes to those feelings.

I'm not going to stop playing ESO any time soon. I still really like the game, a lot. It's just that where my feelings were enthusiastic and more simple before in how much I could easily support this game, now they're clouded, reticent, and tinged with various types of negativity. I like the game and I won't stop playing it any time soon, I just don't feel particularly compelled to garnish ZOS with my money, as there are other developers I'd rather give it to instead.

And part of my complicated feelings about this? It all comes from how I've seen other MMOs follow this path. Forced grouping, loot crates, pandering to PvP when it hurts PvE (such as balancing skills and skill trees for PvP), and so on. Really... Wildstar died for appealing only to the hardcore. Champions Online died for appealing to the PvP minority and killing PvE balance, along with having loot crates. Battleborn died because it appealed to the hardcore PvP audience, killing PvE balancing and more casual PvP play because it was shooting for an eSports dream it could never achieve.

I just see ESO, because of corporate greed, following this path of destruction that so many other games have before it. Was the money off all the players ZOS has now not enough? Can't the suits be satisfied with crown store sales and subscriptions? The crown crates were really just the straw that broke the camel's back. And I'm having very complicated, negative feelings about ESO that I can't reconcile easily.

I'm not gone today, but I might be gone tomorrow. A lot of other people might just feel the same way. Sigh. I really was hoping that ESO wouldn't end up merrily trotting down that selfsame path of destruction. Are the corporate suits truly this myopic and isolated that they're not paying attention to what's happened to other games which have tried the things ESO is trying? And how those games have flopped, hard, for doing so?

Does corporate greed really just invite destruction like this? The data is out there. This kind of nonsense can and will kill ESO. And I like ESO! I really, really do! I like that it covers progressive topics, I like its freedom of play, I enjoy so many of its quirks, its character and characters, and... it's a very likeable game. I love the Thieves Guild content, too. That's so unusual for an MMO. I'm a huge fan of almost every quest being a grind-free story to the point where that one questline for recipes in Wrothgar really stood out because it felt so out of place.

I like this game. I'm just worried that these bad decisions will kill it like they've killed other games I've liked. And like I said, with those games my voice was there amongst others warning them. We always do. Not sure how many voices there are this time, or whether everyone's just given up.

Welp, complicated feelings. I like ESO, I do. I like ZOS. But I'm angry at ZOS for corporate stupidity that will harm the game, not just over the long term, but over the short term, too.

JD2013

No I'm not worried about the future of ESO yet. And here's why;

A lot of what you mentioned is personal preferences. Let me explain.

I realise that a lot of people play ESO solo. That's undeniable. But it's never truly been able to shake off a section of the playerbase just wanting everything solo. Including group dungeons etc.

The reason they changed things is because they realised a lot of people were not doing the old content. Nobody was doing world bosses. Nobody was doing Dark Anchors. That's why they changed the content. To revive it and make people go and do it again.

As for solo nodes, I realise that they do this with surveys, but that is a heck of a lot easier to programme than nodes for everyone.

Duelling, whilst not to everyone's taste, is something a heck of a lot of players asked for a long while ago. So they put it in. Which means they are listening.

As for loot crates - well, you can see my thoughts in lots of threads on that.

I'm certainly not saying don't say your opinion, you are as entitled to as any of us on here, but I can't help but feel that a lot of the playerbase, especially on these forums wants the game to their own personal tastes or not at all. And the thing is, ZOS can not cater to that many individual opinions. If they made the game how every single person around here wanted it, it would be a much bigger mess than you can possibly imagine, believe you me.

I absolutely respect your opinions, but that doesn't make them facts. Nor with mine or anyone else's.

And there are definitely still some good crafting sets. I will always hold onto a Julianos or Twice-Born. Just incase.

DigitalShibby

I skipped your massive wall of text because I'm not taking a sh!t at the moment.. but no, not worried about the game. Played in 2014-15-16, and in my opinion the current version we have now is better then anything we had before. With some balancing and the housing coming, it's only getting better. Only thing that has declined terribly in my opinion is this forum / forum community, people like to complain around these parts.
Flame suit on.

idk

@AuldWolf

tl;dr

Could not get past the crafting part and that this is another thread claiming the end of the world as we know it. There has almost always been drop gear that was better than crafted. This began a month or two after release when gear from the trials, magika at least, was the most desirable.

Further, even when we were v14 and Soulshine was out, 3 pieces of soulshine, though in rings, was prefered for magika DPS.

At v12 and v14 there were sets from AvA that were highly desirable for stamina.

Nothing has changed.

kevlarto_ESO

I am huge fan of the game, just disappointed in zos'es lack luster attention to the game when it comes to the player base.

I have pretty much formed the don't give a rats butt attitude, I will keep playing as long as I have some friends and a guild here and we are squeezing out some fun, I have always kept my expectations low, but I don't think I have any at this point.

Not worried about the future of eso it is what it is, bad good or otherwise.

Recremen

I'm not so much worried about the future as I am angry at the present. 99% of the game is super fun and I'm happy to play and support it. But I absolutely cannot get over this exploitative, consumer-unfriendly gambling direction they're taking. Players should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost. Implementing the system was exactly equivalent with saying "we are fine with taking your money and not giving you content". A few people will pay and get what they want, but many more will pay and NOT get what they want. How is that equitable, player-friendly, or honest in any capacity, especially when we already have a working Crown Store to purchase these cosmetics. This kind of gambling should be banned from all games that are not explicitly online gambling dens.

Callous2208

I'm a bit worried. This is by far the best mmo I've ever played. All my RL friends and Guildies are here too. But, eso is starting to make those oh so familiar decisions that I've seen many times in the past with other games. No need to write an essay, it's pretty simple. Lack of significant updates, limited communication with the playerbase, cash shop/scam crate focus over actual gameplay issues, nagging bugs and imbalances being ignored. I'm hoping it's just a rough season for eso and the new year will bring the type of news from ZOS that can set my mind at ease.

DigitalShibby

Recremen wrote: »

Players should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

SHADOW2KK

Well OP, I can only agree with @JD2013 in the essence of a lot of stuff being just your viewpoint, which I respect, but One Tamriel brought a lot of life to the game at large, yeah people come and go, that is the nature of online gaming, every genre I would imagine has this.

In terms of the bosses, and crafting nodes, bosses are not that hard to kill solo if you know what you are doing.
The nodes spawn fast and are tailored to your level and points into crafting, so not sure what you mean there, maybe some out of the way places has not been updated, which I have came across admittedly,

Duelling has been pretty much begged for since game launch, (talking PC here, not console), and just get on with it, people are gonna do all sorts of activities, sounds like you want a solo or duo instanced server for you and your partner and only integrate with the wider player stream when you want.
RP mighty warriors or rogues crossing the world in search of glory or whatever to account for the seemingly bad impact upon you.

In terms of Loot Crates, well I have commented on this a number of times, if people are weak and want to spend loads of money on pixels, let them, not our problem, money raised helps the game, not them maybe, but they have the personal choice to enforce their own discipline, and they will be weak no matter the medium, again, not our problem, it is theirs.

Like anything that has multiple cultures, races or w/e playing a game, there will be a human spectrum, just like in real life.

A lot of what you say is due to personal preferences and projecting that upon the game at large, like being forced to group, you are not, theres very little in overland that needs a group imo, the rest is still easily soloable even now with One Tamriel.

One Tamriel had to happen as now everywhere it is viable to play, does it come with some cons, maybe it does, but that is down to the perspective of whoever is playing.

Take a break from the game if need be, come back sometime, sounds like you may be burned out a little too.

Recremen

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Players should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

It's absolutely gambling, trying to rebrand it won't change the fact. If you can't handle the criticism over their gambling system you're welcome to stop reading it. I can't imagine anyone actually thinks the gambling boxes are a more player-friendly than direct purchases. It's nonsense

dem0n1k

I'm not that worried. I also think the 'arrow in the knee' was hilarious

The crafting thing... some drop sets were always a cut above what could be crafted but they were so hard to acquire a complete set that only the wealthy, lucky & determined used them. One Tamriel made drop sets attainable for everyone... that's not a bad thing... it's a good thing!

Duelling. So many complaints about duelling & how it would end in griefing by those nasty, nasty, PVP folk... all unfounded. Duelling has totally died down now & I only see it occasionally around towns & the undaunted enclaves. I find duelling to be very helpful to test certain builds & counters with my friends. There is an auto-decline for those players that don't wish to participate. No problems!

Crown crates.. I can see how these are an issue for folk that really want certain vanity items & can only get them from the gamble boxes but those folk really need to stick with their principals & not participate! For me, crown crates are not an issue as I don't really care about most vanity items. I already have so many mounts that I never use & I never use pets, they look ridiculous.

I do worry about balance issues... but hey, ZOS are going to do what they are going to do. I will keep playing until they do something that stops me enjoying the game or a better game comes along.

Abeille

F2P transition strategies being applied to the game do worry me, absolutely.

The introduction of Crown Crates isn't the first step on this direction, of course, it is only the most obvious one.

DigitalShibby

Recremen wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Plawyers should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

It's absolutely gambling, trying to rebrand it won't change the fact. If you can't handle the criticism over their gambling system you're welcome to stop reading it. I can't imagine anyone actually thinks the gambling boxes are a more player-friendly than direct purchases. It's nonsense

Lol you're still missing the point, and again, paying for a random bag for goodies is just that... paying for random goodies. It's a fun addition, we get you dislike it. There are plenty of other threads devoted to crown crate QQ that would love to have you.

threefarms

Meh

Abeille

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Plawyers should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

It's absolutely gambling, trying to rebrand it won't change the fact. If you can't handle the criticism over their gambling system you're welcome to stop reading it. I can't imagine anyone actually thinks the gambling boxes are a more player-friendly than direct purchases. It's nonsense

Lol you're still missing the point, and again, paying for a random bag for goodies is just that... paying for random goodies. It's a fun addition, we get you dislike it. There are plenty of other threads devoted to crown crate QQ that would love to have you.

Paying money for a random chance at something is the very definition of gambling

Callous2208

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Plawyers should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

It's absolutely gambling, trying to rebrand it won't change the fact. If you can't handle the criticism over their gambling system you're welcome to stop reading it. I can't imagine anyone actually thinks the gambling boxes are a more player-friendly than direct purchases. It's nonsense

Lol you're still missing the point, and again, paying for a random bag for goodies is just that... paying for random goodies. It's a fun addition, we get you dislike it. There are plenty of other threads devoted to crown crate QQ that would love to have you.

You're paying for a small chance at a few good things. All the other stuff is worthless. "Fun addition." You click a button and drain your bank account. Actual content is a fun addition. This is a tax on stupid people and I pray it works well enough to pay for some actual "fun additions"

AcadianPaladin

I agree with several of the features that displease the original poster.

I do not want, nor will I ever buy, mystery crates. I want to buy exactly what I want item by item from the crown store.

I'm pleased that those who enjoy farming dropped gear can comfortably pass on crafting; however, I hate farming and very much prefer both crafting and the certainty of crafted sets. I hope and expect that crafted sets will be tweaked to be as effective a choice as becoming a gear farmer.

I have adjusted to outdoor world bosses. If there are not a handful of people to help take them down, I ignore them and move on. I can accept that some folks like groups although I prefer solo play. I do not feel obligated to be a completionist or elite player.

I have over 8000 hours of playtime split evenly between Oblivion and Skyrim. The reason I bought ESO was for the much larger open Elder Scrolls world. It is my first ever multiplayer game. Though generally I prefer solo play, I have quite fallen in love with the role of my templar healer - which naturally requires willing victims for her efforts to heal and support other players. This has been a pleasant surprise that helps offset some of the drawbacks of an MMO.

Waffennacht

I skipped a lot, but you mentioned South Park and their fremium episode, well now I reference you to the Randy and his "disease" with alcoholism episode.

DigitalShibby

Abeille wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Plawyers should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

It's absolutely gambling, trying to rebrand it won't change the fact. If you can't handle the criticism over their gambling system you're welcome to stop reading it. I can't imagine anyone actually thinks the gambling boxes are a more player-friendly than direct purchases. It's nonsense

Lol you're still missing the point, and again, paying for a random bag for goodies is just that... paying for random goodies. It's a fun addition, we get you dislike it. There are plenty of other threads devoted to crown crate QQ that would love to have you.

Paying money for a random chance at something is the very definition of gambling

Lol again, you're not risking crowns to make more crowns. You are simply buying a random bag of junk. You can use the word as loosely as you'd like, posting on the forum is gambling due to the unknown factor in responses you could receive.
This thread doesn't have to degrade into another crown crate complainers area.

Abeille

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Plawyers should know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it will cost.

They know exactly how many crowns it costs to buy the crates, and they know they're going to receive a random bag of cosmetic items and supplies.
Stop calling it gambling, you're not risking crowns for a chance to make more crowns. You are buying a bag of cosmetic junk for the fun of it and seeing what you get. If you're targeting a specific item that's no ones fault but their own. You don't sit at a blackjack table and freak out when you paid for a hand and didn't get a face card..
Let's move on as a community from the QQ over crates.

It's absolutely gambling, trying to rebrand it won't change the fact. If you can't handle the criticism over their gambling system you're welcome to stop reading it. I can't imagine anyone actually thinks the gambling boxes are a more player-friendly than direct purchases. It's nonsense

Lol you're still missing the point, and again, paying for a random bag for goodies is just that... paying for random goodies. It's a fun addition, we get you dislike it. There are plenty of other threads devoted to crown crate QQ that would love to have you.

Paying money for a random chance at something is the very definition of gambling

Lol again, you're not risking crowns to make more crowns. You are simply buying a random bag of junk. You can use the word as loosely as you'd like, posting on the forum is gambling due to the unknown factor in responses you could receive.
This thread doesn't have to degrade into another crown crate complainers area.

Gambling isn't necessarily for the same currency you used to gamble with.

gambling
[gam-bling]

noun
1.
the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.
2.
the act or practice of risking the loss of something important by taking a chance or acting recklessly:
If you don't back up your data, that's gambling.

If it isn't clear...
The card reveal when you open a crate is a game of chance, since the only thing that has any influence on the outcome is sheer luck.
The stakes are, you might get things you don't want or have no use for, and therefore not get back the worth of the Crowns spent.

geonsocal

it's a video game...I've played, I don't know - a lot, maybe hundreds(?) of video games, hopefully I'll play and enjoy many more...

I enjoy the game and enjoy you all ...that's good enough for me...

life provides enough worries on it's own - no need to create more for yourself...

Banana

Plenty of other games out there for when the *** starts getting to deep here

Abeille

Banana wrote: »

Plenty of other games out there for when the *** starts getting to deep here

None of them a TES MMO, though.

That's kinda important to some of us

Rohamad_Ali

I don't want to participate in a poll to answer this . I am concerned about the game but I've always been concerned , it's nothing new . It's painful to always worry though . A game should not be painful . So I worry less and play despite the issues . I avoid the crown crates and areas that are not working as much as possible . I decided this is not a great PvP game . It could be but it isn't and probably never will be , so I go in with that in mind .

The game is not secure . They still haven't been able to stop all the third party programs but I play knowing that's a risk . I leave when it's frustrating and so something else .

The game has suffered since launch with performance issues . I keep that mind and accept it most of the time but not always . When it gets real bad I play something else .

This is ZOSs first MMO and it shows . None of these things will probably improve until more experienced people get leadership roles at ZOS . It's just the hard reality .

The players , the people here are what make it all endurable for me . I'm not ever leaving my friends here . We find fun despite the uphill technical issues .

A poll in my opinion doesn't really educate us in this topic . There's a lot to it and that's my pov .

Galwylin

I'm not worried. Mainly because if something happens with the game... something happens with the game. I can't control it. The only thing I can do is enjoy what time I had then pack up and leave. One thing I noticed was you mentioned WoW then listed all the bad things EOS has done like Wildstar. First, i don't know what Wildstar is but all that stuff is a factor in WoW. I don't know about a thing like Crown Crates since I haven't played in forever. But then I left before the craptastic expansions they released over and over.

Biggest problem I had was the PvP "fixing" they did that affected this non-PvP. Seriously, I logged out one time, they patched and I had a completely different character the next day. I'm talking COMPLETELY. Things were called the same thing as before but they didn't work like before. Paladins if anyone was wondering. Now that's messed up. When ZOS starts catering to PvP that much, I'm outta here. Right now it seems to be just a touch here and there. I'm sure there will be more because of the boohoos and the honest to goodness beliefs that you can make something different completely the same. Its crazy. It never stops as WoW can attest. I believe they will be balancing PvP until their servers shut down. Good riddance to them.

But no, EOS is nowhere near that state. And worry about a future of a product you don't control is just worry for worry's sake. You can't stop it because all those people playing and having fun aren't making a sound and all ZOS is going to hear is the complaints (which I've got one to post in a bit). Because of my situation, I play this game all the time. Its fun. I know at some point there's going to be that day when I'll say "Eh" and find something else to do with my time. Do they worry about me like that? Doubtful. But that's okay, they don't know me and we only have a piece of software connecting us. That's not enough of a relationship to worry about. If something happens there's going to be another game and new people. Maybe old ones too. That's just the cycle of these things.

Though even if the game completely changes its going to still be around and we might have to change with it. But if my dragon knight has all different abilities in the effort to 'fix' him... I'm going to be so pissed If they want to be like WoW, they should introduce armor and weapons that work on PCs and don't on NPCs. I believe they have no defense because PvP can't have actual armor that acts like armor because then someone's little pointy stick won't penetrate steel. And cloth is as thick as concrete AND steel. Really, what they should do to fix the problem is take away choices. Make everyone entering PvP instantly become the same class using the same weapon and the same abilities. Then. Then they will find balance. Make it even fairer, one bar, only three abilities and no heals. If its about skill then let it be about skill and not which class has got something over the other this week. Because that's the way it goes. The fix or nerf one class and then the other is too powerful so they do the same. Those not playing PvP are like "What the hell? You on crack, ZOS?"

TX12001rwb17_ESO

With some of these new Atronach mounts and what not it is starting to show that they are running out of Ideas and ESO is quickly derailing off the lorefriendly track.

For example...

- Weird costumes that look completely out of place like 9/10 monster sets for example, some of these newer sets seem to decapitate you when worn if you take a close look at them and don't get me started on the Pumpkin and Scarecrow Morphs.

- Things that shouldn't exist like Black Briar Mead or Corprus Stalkers (They exist in ESO in the DSA despite the fact that Corprus doesn't exist yet because it was made by Dagoth ur but Dagoth Ur has been asleep for thousands of years beneath Red mountain and hasn't created the Blight Yet because he wont wake up until the end of the 2nd era)

- The fact that places exist that shouldn't like Cropsford despite the little fact that the town was founded by the CoC 800 years later, the fact that Anvil looks nearly identical to how it will 800 years after ESO (Llike im to believe that an urban area wont change in 800 Years) The fact there are a LOT of forts missing from Cyrodiil in ESO and none of them have dungeons beneath them (where did they go?) What about the Imperial City being turned the wrong way or the fact that the tallest mountain in Tamriel doesn't even exist in ESO, it is literally right next to Ivarstead in the Rift in Skyrim but in ESO its just not there, I wager if they ever add Solstheim they will probably forget that it used to be mostly forest before the Red Year and instead make it covered in Ash, as for the town of Raven Rock they will probably add that as well despite the fact the town was literally founded by the Nerevarine, before they got there the land was nothing but boulders and Trees.

- Ghosts walking among the living in camps where soliders are in the Rift, Ghosts are lost souls trapped on Nirn against their will not party animals and the Portal to Sovngarde is supposed to be a secret.

I do fear for this game and what it has become, it isn't the same game that I first played over 2 years ago.

Gilvoth

AuldWolf wrote: »

I'm not going to stop playing ESO any time soon. I still really like the game, a lot.

I'm not gone today, but I might be gone tomorrow.

i dont like some things about eso, but as a whole i think eso is the best MMO on the internet.
is just my honest opinion.

Galwylin

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

With some of these new Atronach mounts and what not it is starting to show that they are running out of Ideas and ESO is quickly derailing off the lorefriendly track.

For example...

- Weird costumes that look completely out of place like 9/10 monster sets for example, some of these newer sets seem to decapitate you when worn if you take a close look at them and don't get me started on the Pumpkin and Scarecrow Morphs.

- Things that shouldn't exist like Black Briar Mead or Corprus Stalkers (They exist in ESO in the DSA despite the fact that Corprus doesn't exist yet because it was made by Dagoth ur but Dagoth Ur has been asleep for thousands of years beneath Red mountain and hasn't created the Blight Yet because he wont wake up until the end of the 2nd era)

- The fact that places exist that shouldn't like Cropsford despite the little fact that the town was founded by the CoC 800 years later, the fact that Anvil looks nearly identical to how it will 800 years after ESO (Llike im to believe that an urban area wont change in 800 Years) The fact there are a LOT of forts missing from Cyrodiil in ESO and none of them have dungeons beneath them (where did they go?) What about the Imperial City being turned the wrong way or the fact that the tallest mountain in Tamriel doesn't even exist in ESO, it is literally right next to Ivarstead in the Rift in Skyrim but in ESO its just not there, I wager if they ever add Solstheim they will probably forget that it used to be mostly forest before the Red Year and instead make it covered in Ash, as for the town of Raven Rock they will probably add that as well despite the fact the town was literally founded by the Nerevarine, before they got there the land was nothing but boulders and Trees.

- Ghosts walking among the living in camps where soliders are in the Rift, Ghosts are lost souls trapped on Nirn against their will not party animals and the Portal to Sovngarde is supposed to be a secret.

I do fear for this game and what it has become, it isn't the same game that I first played over 2 years ago.

I think it's extremely lore friendly. I'd like more but then I'd also like people using roads and not fighting in the wood shop. Its appealing to people that just see it as a game. Your lore requests don't seem unreasonable but a lot of players probably don't care that much. You know its a whole different world when Imperials look like Roman soldiers and apparently will look like Romans for generations. So, the game world isn't exactly as things should be. I think the Roman Empire lasted 1000 years but if you look at in the beginning and when it ended, there were some significant changes which don't seem to happen in Tamriel. So, those things that shouldn't exist are just flavoring for players. I don't think they really exist within the actual fictional setting itself. They're just player fluff. That's not running out of ideas. Its just giving players their own distinct Tamriel image. And with it being a game, there's no reason they can't bring that mountain out at some point. ESO operates first as a game then as setting. Sometimes the setting isn't going to jive with the world's history. But overall, it feels like a distinct world. I don't see it as absolute will be in the timeline of all Elder Scroll lore. It just can't.

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Galwylin wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

With some of these new Atronach mounts and what not it is starting to show that they are running out of Ideas and ESO is quickly derailing off the lorefriendly track.

For example...

- Weird costumes that look completely out of place like 9/10 monster sets for example, some of these newer sets seem to decapitate you when worn if you take a close look at them and don't get me started on the Pumpkin and Scarecrow Morphs.

- Things that shouldn't exist like Black Briar Mead or Corprus Stalkers (They exist in ESO in the DSA despite the fact that Corprus doesn't exist yet because it was made by Dagoth ur but Dagoth Ur has been asleep for thousands of years beneath Red mountain and hasn't created the Blight Yet because he wont wake up until the end of the 2nd era)

- The fact that places exist that shouldn't like Cropsford despite the little fact that the town was founded by the CoC 800 years later, the fact that Anvil looks nearly identical to how it will 800 years after ESO (Llike im to believe that an urban area wont change in 800 Years) The fact there are a LOT of forts missing from Cyrodiil in ESO and none of them have dungeons beneath them (where did they go?) What about the Imperial City being turned the wrong way or the fact that the tallest mountain in Tamriel doesn't even exist in ESO, it is literally right next to Ivarstead in the Rift in Skyrim but in ESO its just not there, I wager if they ever add Solstheim they will probably forget that it used to be mostly forest before the Red Year and instead make it covered in Ash, as for the town of Raven Rock they will probably add that as well despite the fact the town was literally founded by the Nerevarine, before they got there the land was nothing but boulders and Trees.

- Ghosts walking among the living in camps where soliders are in the Rift, Ghosts are lost souls trapped on Nirn against their will not party animals and the Portal to Sovngarde is supposed to be a secret.

I do fear for this game and what it has become, it isn't the same game that I first played over 2 years ago.

I think it's extremely lore friendly. I'd like more but then I'd also like people using roads and not fighting in the wood shop. Its appealing to people that just see it as a game. Your lore requests don't seem unreasonable but a lot of players probably don't care that much. You know its a whole different world when Imperials look like Roman soldiers and apparently will look like Romans for generations. So, the game world isn't exactly as things should be. I think the Roman Empire lasted 1000 years but if you look at in the beginning and when it ended, there were some significant changes which don't seem to happen in Tamriel. So, those things that shouldn't exist are just flavoring for players. I don't think they really exist within the actual fictional setting itself. They're just player fluff. That's not running out of ideas. Its just giving players their own distinct Tamriel image. And with it being a game, there's no reason they can't bring that mountain out at some point. ESO operates first as a game then as setting. Sometimes the setting isn't going to jive with the world's history. But overall, it feels like a distinct world. I don't see it as absolute will be in the timeline of all Elder Scroll lore. It just can't.

So you think Corprus creatures existing during the 2nd era is lore friendly do you? what about Black-Briar Mead or the Town of Cropsford?

theher0not

I like dueling and I honestly don't mind dung and raid gear being better than crafted gear. But the crown store will kill the game eventually. ZoS care more about putting up new overpriced stuff there than they care about the game itself.

Alucardo

The day they go F2P and start adding B2W items into the Crown Store is the day I will really be worried. Obviously I'm not happy about the crown crates, and I'll miss some of my friends who unsubbed, uninstalled and left the game over them.
If the crates behaved like CS:GO skins, for example, it wouldn't be too bad. For example, you can still earn the items in game, but could use loot crates if you didn't want to work for them. But no, they've hidden exclusive items in these cancerous things, so people feel obliged to buy them. It's the first step to becoming a F2P Korean MMO. If I wanted that I'd go back to TERA.