Proc sets (again)

Tonnopesce

So again i'm want to bring up the proc issue but from another side.

Today while pvp i fought an EU stream, and while i'm not a OP player, i run my stamblade build ( widowmaker +velidreth) from early august far before the proc metà and thought it was perfect for an argonian shadowscale.

Excited for the fight i joined the stream and i went back to our fight, the first comment was "this dude is running a ton of proc sets"
And another i hate poison, poison this, poison that.

Now i just want to know, from a mediocre player as myself, how i'm supposed to fight with permablocking tanks with 4k wd and immortal sorcerers with 50k magika + pets + insta 30k shields without the help of my shadowscale build?

Everyone is flaming against proc sets but is not something that pops out of nothing, pvp in general asked for proc sets and even if now they are abused we created them thanks to a poorly balanced game.

My poorly writted 2 cents

Alucardo

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

Tonnopesce

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Rohamad_Ali

The proc sets are broken . Once ZOS finally gets around to fixing them you will get less hate . Velidreth will double proc sometimes and it's not suppose to . I know it is frustrating because you put in work getting those sets just to find out a bunch of people hate you for wearing them .

I actually own a full vipers set myself but don't use it . It sits in the bank until it is fixed . I had to do the same with my malubeth set when it was broken . I like to win fair and square but I don't expect anyone else to play the way I do either . So I've been on vacation from PvP here .

STEVIL

FIRST LAW OF NERFODYNAMIC
That. Which I use to kill = good
That which others use to kill me now = bad

Alucardo

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Oh trust me, I get it

Rohamad_Ali

Alucardo wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Oh trust me, I get it

That is so sad . I am sorry someone would stoop so low over a video game .

Tonnopesce

@Rohamad_Ali fair point really but i can't see the end of the tunnel here, i can put away my proc build for a hig regen/sustain one, obvious loosing the "killer" feeling i wanted for my shadowscale, but then something worst will pop our of zenimax head and i can't continue going against everyone, i've done it for months avoiding, malubeth, heavy armor, shield stacking, stamina OP metà..

Probably i will play in offline mode from now on.

Tonnopesce

Alucardo wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Oh trust me, I get it

WOW slow down... People is just stupid i get it...

Rohamad_Ali

Tonnopesce wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali fair point really but i can't see the end of the tunnel here, i can put away my proc build for a hig regen/sustain one, obvious loosing the "killer" feeling i wanted for my shadowscale, but then something worst will pop our of zenimax head and i can't continue going against everyone, i've done it for months avoiding, malubeth, heavy armor, shield stacking, stamina OP metà..

Probably i will play in offline mode from now on.

I am not encouraging you to do what I am doing . Anyone who pvps currently should just accept that are walking into a broken game outside players control . This is ZOSs fault . They knew since test center and I hold Wrobel 100% accountable for this .

Mayrael

1. Proc sets are couse of light and medium armors being unplayable in pvp.
2. When at last tanky toons wont be able to kill you with proc sets, they will loose their popularity.
3. When procs will be fixed fighting light/medium vs heavy will be high dps vs high resistance. The one who has better will win. If equal, resource managment will decide. Right now its high dps vs high resistance + high burst.
4. Mag sorcs will be on top again. With 40k magica, 2,1 mag regen and almost 3k spell dmg my mag sorc can fight now against heavy proc users (tripple shield stack, Ty ZoS for buffing LA shields). Its more of a bad luck when I loose (multiple procs out of ulti e.g.) now, but when it will be fixed, this class will be the top predator again.

Tonnopesce

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali fair point really but i can't see the end of the tunnel here, i can put away my proc build for a hig regen/sustain one, obvious loosing the "killer" feeling i wanted for my shadowscale, but then something worst will pop our of zenimax head and i can't continue going against everyone, i've done it for months avoiding, malubeth, heavy armor, shield stacking, stamina OP metà..

Probably i will play in offline mode from now on.

I am not encouraging you to do what I am doing . Anyone who pvps currently should just accept that are walking into a broken game outside players control . This is ZOSs fault . They knew since test center and I hold Wrobel 100% accountable for this .

Even this is sad, this game pvp had so much potential and from what i see in the EU server pvp players have left the game for better , but now they are coming back just to f##k up everything like when the cheat engine issue came up.

Tonnopesce

Mayrael wrote: »

1. Proc sets are couse of light and medium armors being unplayable in pvp.
2. When at last tanky toons wont be able to kill you with proc sets, they will loose their popularity.
3. When procs will be fixed fighting light/medium vs heavy will be high dps vs high resistance. The one who has better will win. If equal, resource managment will decide. Right now its high dps vs high resistance + high burst.
4. Mag sorcs will be on top again. With 40k magica, 2,1 mag regen and almost 3k spell dmg my mag sorc can fight now against heavy proc users (tripple shield stack, Ty ZoS for buffing LA shields). Its more of a bad luck when I loose (multiple procs out of ulti e.g.) now, but when it will be fixed, this class will be the top predator again.

Let's hope for the balance patch ( i also want light and medium armor to shine again) but zos is so silent nowdays

Alucardo

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Oh trust me, I get it

That is so sad . I am sorry someone would stoop so low over a video game .

The saddest thing is I'm used to it. Though it's still disappointing how serious people take this game to the point where they spew insults at other players.

Rohamad_Ali

Apologies for interrupting guys and I don't mean this to be a jerk at all . It's just my OCD problem acting up and I'm seeing it a lot lately . Lose , Losing are both spelled with just one O in them . When you spell with two O's it means un tightening something .

"Loosening a bolt "

"Losing a battle"

I do not mean this in a mean way as I am learning better English myself and know I am terrible at it sometimes . Especially when I come home from my grandparents house and they don't speak English well at all . So please don't take it mean , I'm just weird and mean no disrespect in saying this .

Egonieser

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Oh trust me, I get it

That is so sad . I am sorry someone would stoop so low over a video game .

I've had my block list grow exponentially since one Tamriel. Same as you, I ran viper on my Stamblade long before one Tamriel and was very torn between having a 1 time/4s proc vs permanent damage increase on all skills from Hundings rage. After numerous goodies told me that it works best on a Stamblade for ganking I decided to give it a try.
I spent ages grinding vSO and tons of gold to get a good trait viper set together. One Tamriel launched, every Tom, *** and Charlie has it and I (same as you) get constant hate and rage filled whispers. It's not my fault Zenimax opened doors for everyone to run with strong sets, and frankly - none of my problem.
A set is in the game, it has a purpose and I will use it. I will not rage at others for using it and I do not disagree that it's not over the top either, but I will not loose sleep if they decide to go ahead and nerf it. I did fine without it before, I will do fine again if they do nerf it, all I have to do is go to my bank and choose one of the dozens of gold sets I already have made and tested before.

People should be angry at Zenimax not at players. PvP is about killing others in the fastest and most efficient way possible, and if players use the tools Zenimax gave to them, who is at fault here? If it was hacks, exploits and glitches used - yeah then I'd understand the hate, but using a set that is there to be used.. it's just poor sportsmanship..

Waffennacht

Hate is deserved for each player that uses the proc build and talks @$!# like they actually accomplished something or T bags someone. I'll go to the ends of the earth to annoy those people

Tonnopesce

Tipical conversation in pvp lately...





I know it may not sound so offensive but when in tree hours of pvp you get 20+ people whisper you is annoing

Rohamad_Ali

Alucardo wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

Oh trust me, I get it

That is so sad . I am sorry someone would stoop so low over a video game .

The saddest thing is I'm used to it. Though it's still disappointing how serious people take this game to the point where they spew insults at other players.

You should never get use to that nor ever have too . I have wonderful friends of all races and color and make it a point to report any of that stupidity I see . I would hate if one of my friends had their day ruined because of something like this so I report for them even if it has nothing to do with me . I don't care what anyone thinks either , I have no patients for racism .

Alucardo

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Tipical conversation in pvp lately...

Careful man, he will destory you. You'll get rekt so hard he'll completely unwrite your story, ending your life.

Tonnopesce

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hate is deserved for each player that uses the proc build and talks @$!# like they actually accomplished something or T bags someone. I'll go to the ends of the earth to annoy those people

When SOTH came out i farmed the hell out of vet COS ending to be one of the Best doing it, and i was so proud of my perfect trait widowmaker plus velidreth, i used them for two months and with me probably 20 more where using them in pvp i was excanging a medium proc build for a full heavy/dps Since it was the meta back then, and it was fine, for two months nobody complained about my build but now is getting out of control.

Tonnopesce

Alucardo wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Tipical conversation in pvp lately...

Careful man, he will destory you. You'll get rekt so hard he'll completely unwrite your story, ending your life.

The funny thing is that he runs the very SAME build + viper....

Doctordarkspawn

STEVIL wrote: »

FIRST LAW OF NERFODYNAMIC
That. Which I use to kill = good
That which others use to kill me now = bad

This.

arkansas_ESO

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

The thing is that anything you can use as a non-optimal race (Argonian) somebody can use as an optimal race (Redguard.) These sets aren't some sort of great equalizer that will bring the subpar races out of the dark and into the meta, they're just making the already strong race+class combos even stronger.

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Now i just want to know, from a mediocre player as myself, how i'm supposed to fight with permablocking tanks with 4k wd and immortal sorcerers with 50k magika + pets + insta 30k shields without the help of my shadowscale build?

That's kind of the point. If somebody has a noticeable skill advantage over you, then they should win fights against you until you get better as a player. It should be a matter of learning skill combos, resource management, when to burst and when to defend, etc. You shouldn't be able to just slot a few sets and see your performance increase so drastically.

arkansas_ESO

Tonnopesce wrote: »

I know it may not sound so offensive but when in tree hours of pvp you get 20+ people whisper you is annoing

Just a heads up that you forgot to blur out the person's name at the very bottom of the last picture

Rohamad_Ali

You should remove the screenshots that show profanity so the thread doesn't get shut down and no one gets warning from mods . You could black them out and repost them too .

Sigma957

Tonnopesce wrote: »

So again i'm want to bring up the proc issue but from another side.

Today while pvp i fought an EU stream, and while i'm not a OP player, i run my stamblade build ( widowmaker +velidreth) from early august far before the proc metà and thought it was perfect for an argonian shadowscale.

Excited for the fight i joined the stream and i went back to our fight, the first comment was "this dude is running a ton of proc sets"
And another i hate poison, poison this, poison that.

Now i just want to know, from a mediocre player as myself, how i'm supposed to fight with permablocking tanks with 4k wd and immortal sorcerers with 50k magika + pets + insta 30k shields without the help of my shadowscale build?

Everyone is flaming against proc sets but is not something that pops out of nothing, pvp in general asked for proc sets and even if now they are abused we created them thanks to a poorly balanced game.

My poorly writted 2 cents

Just play how you want, use what you want and don't let anyone tell you otherwise ( play in offline mode and destroy them haters)

ethanthefox

And here I am, still wearing 5 hunding + 3 agility +1 bloodspawn + 1 Kena + 2H vma and Master Bow. Lol , not digging the sets of this meta I guess. I do get killed but still wreck some faces too. Once their procs procced (not sure its how you say it lol) , 4-10 second to burst them down before they got again their huge burst coming on your ass.

I guess people are free to use the sets they want but there is definily a problem in this meta. Dont get surprise to get hate whispers if youre going full cheese mode guys. ( not that kind of guy as sending hate whisper doesnt help improving you in any way so worthless)But still, procs sets do not make figths more entertaining or fair or even skilled. No wonder people are banning them from duels tournaments.

We used to have some with old Monsters sets like Skoria but they were so hard to get atm that it was pretty rare in PvP and not seen everywhere. Also you couldnt stack more than one so it wasnt a problem at the moment.

Tonnopesce

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

The thing is that anything you can use as a non-optimal race (Argonian) somebody can use as an optimal race (Redguard.) These sets aren't some sort of great equalizer that will bring the subpar races out of the dark and into the meta, they're just making the already strong race+class combos even stronger.

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Now i just want to know, from a mediocre player as myself, how i'm supposed to fight with permablocking tanks with 4k wd and immortal sorcerers with 50k magika + pets + insta 30k shields without the help of my shadowscale build?

That's kind of the point. If somebody has a noticeable skill advantage over you, then they should win fights against you until you get better as a player. It should be a matter of learning skill combos, resource management, when to burst and when to defend, etc. You shouldn't be able to just slot a few sets and see your performance increase so drastically.

But if you see some tools to improve yourself you should use them i refer myself as mediocre or else in this forum i will get tons of ***, anyway i get your point and you are right but then tell me, bad-mediocre player where able to do vet COS in order to get the veli head? When it was not guaranteed to drop, bad players get bad sets, this is what i think.

A tank with 40k stamina 4 k wd has not a skill advantage over me, like a shield stack sorcerer,
I believe proc sets where created to help players against something, abused by players.
Maybe it does not have sense or i can't explain really good.

arkansas_ESO

Tonnopesce wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You're not going to kill tanky players with proc sets anyway. High weapon damage and Armor pen works better on them guys. Proc sets work better against light and medium armor players.

This is why i run a 2h sharpened maul but is not my point, when I've done the build i thought it was a little help for my terribile (race) stamblade argonian and i still see the proc sets as an help for my 30k stamina vs 40k redguard and low weapon damage lizard, but from a month on i got tons of hate from players who /w me telling me that they have fu##d my mom... And you got the point...

The thing is that anything you can use as a non-optimal race (Argonian) somebody can use as an optimal race (Redguard.) These sets aren't some sort of great equalizer that will bring the subpar races out of the dark and into the meta, they're just making the already strong race+class combos even stronger.

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Now i just want to know, from a mediocre player as myself, how i'm supposed to fight with permablocking tanks with 4k wd and immortal sorcerers with 50k magika + pets + insta 30k shields without the help of my shadowscale build?

That's kind of the point. If somebody has a noticeable skill advantage over you, then they should win fights against you until you get better as a player. It should be a matter of learning skill combos, resource management, when to burst and when to defend, etc. You shouldn't be able to just slot a few sets and see your performance increase so drastically.

But if you see some tools to improve yourself you should use them i refer myself as mediocre or else in this forum i will get tons of ***, anyway i get your point and you are right but then tell me, bad-mediocre player where able to do vet COS in order to get the veli head? When it was not guaranteed to drop, bad players get bad sets, this is what i think.

A tank with 40k stamina 4 k wd has not a skill advantage over me, like a shield stack sorcerer,
I believe proc sets where created to help players against something, abused by players.
Maybe it does not have sense or i can't explain really good.

Vet COS was never really that difficult if you had a decent 4-man group, and, if all else failed, you could just get 3 people to carry you and trade you any helms they get. RNG also doesn't distinguish between a good player that has run the content 500+ times without a single death, and the person that got through the dungeon once after fifty deaths. They both have an equal chance to get the same helmet. Bad players aren't the only ones getting bad sets, and good players aren't the only ones getting good sets.

sirston