ZOS can we finally get a buff to Imperial's Red Diamond passive?

Twohothardware · November 2016

Right now the Red Diamond passive rarely ever procs with only a 10% chance to restore 6% health on melee attacks compared to passives like Adrenaline on Redguard that procs every melee hit with simply a 5 second cooldown. I personally would like to see the Red Diamond perk simply scrapped and something more interesting and unique added but if not at least buff the chance this passive has of proc'ing so that it does something.

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

Revamp Red Diamond please!

Alucardo · November 2016

Good luck. We've been asking for Red Diamond buffs since the beginning of time.

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Good luck. We've been asking for Red Diamond buffs since the beginning of time.

Hopefully when zos does that health revamp red diamond will be included.

I dunno what to do with it personally. Its just gotta be a stronger health return that isnt rng based. Not all Imperials have 50k health.

Alucardo · November 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Good luck. We've been asking for Red Diamond buffs since the beginning of time.

Hopefully when zos does that health revamp red diamond will be included.

I dunno what to do with it personally. Its just gotta be a stronger health return that isnt rng based. Not all Imperials have 50k health.

ikr. Nobody else has to deal with the RNG for their last passive. If they want to keep the health return at such a small amount it needs to proc 100% of the time every 5 seconds like Redguards stam passive.
If they want to keep the RNG, it needs to be "when damaged" or "when causing damage" (on DoTs too) and be a slightly higher amount with a small cooldown.
My healthplar with 60k health in Cyrodiil gets around 2k health back when it procs, and it does not proc very often. That's pitiful.

Twohothardware · November 2016

Also just to verify, will Red Diamond proc on melee abilities as well like duel wield Flurry or does it only proc on light and heavy attacks?

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

Twohothardware wrote: »

Also just to verify, will Red Diamond proc on melee abilities as well like duel wield Flurry or does it only proc on light and heavy attacks?

Flurry is considered a DoT so it doesn't work. Only direct melee attacks (thats what i hear at least) with light heavy attacks. I've also heard it proc's from templar jabs but thats a channel and considered a dot like Flurry i believe... not to sure.

Solariken · November 2016

Man, I spammed the forums about this when race rebalancing was in the works but ZOS wasn't picking up what I was putting down. We all tossed up some stellar ideas but ZOS just didn't feel like doing anything.

Twohothardware · November 2016

Solariken wrote: »

Man, I spammed the forums about this when race rebalancing was in the works but ZOS wasn't picking up what I was putting down. We all tossed up some stellar ideas but ZOS just didn't feel like doing anything.

It's the one race their charging additional money for so it should of been among the first they looked at if they're going to take the time to rebalance others.

Kattemynte · November 2016

I cannot foresee any changes in the near (or even far future really) since they pretty much just revamped a the racial passives recently. ZOS must have felt it was in a good spot already. If I recall most races have 1 or good really good passives and then the others are meh. Imperials get 10% Health and 10% stamina if I recall or something close to it and both are really good.

Solariken · November 2016

IMO at the VERY LEAST they should have changed Red Diamond from a % chance to restore health on a melee strike to a % chance to restore health on direct damage taken. They kind of dropped the ball with this race especially since it's the only one behind a paywall..

Waffennacht · November 2016

But you guys pointed it out yourself, it's behind a paywall, therefore can't really get buffed or else it looks like P2W to some

Alucardo · November 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

But you guys pointed it out yourself, it's behind a paywall, therefore can't really get buffed or else it looks like P2W to some

Sure, but that's no excuse to have the crappiest racial passive in the game

Solariken · November 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

But you guys pointed it out yourself, it's behind a paywall, therefore can't really get buffed or else it looks like P2W to some

@Waffennacht My argument during that PTS period was that Imperials shouldn't have a raw power advantage over other races, as yes that would be perceived as pay-to-win, but that they should have the greatest utility and be synergistic with the greatest variety of build types. This would have made sense too because in previous TES games they are often set up as a balanced jack-of-all-trades race.

Twohothardware · November 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

But you guys pointed it out yourself, it's behind a paywall, therefore can't really get buffed or else it looks like P2W to some

Buffed doesn't mean make it better than every other race in the game. It just means make it's passives equally as effective as those for the top meta races like Redguard and Orc.

WalksonGraves · November 2016

Yeah was really excited when I got the pre order until I did the math and realized it's max heal is about 2.5k and is tied to melee. So Argonian it was.

Waffennacht · November 2016

Hey guys, I said perceived by some, not me. (Though I don't have access to them)

Twohothardware · December 2016

I have two new Imperial characters so back to the top.

psychotic13 · December 2016

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

Alucardo · December 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

I made a post about that a loooooong time ago. Not much ever came out of it. In fact, not much comes out of any of these threads. I don't know why we bother.

psychotic13 · December 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

I made a post about that a loooooong time ago. Not much ever came out of it. In fact, not much comes out of any of these threads. I don't know why we bother.

Yeah, the ZOS presence on this forum seems to be getting smaller, they're all focused on making people remortgage their house for an atro mount.

Alucardo · December 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

I made a post about that a loooooong time ago. Not much ever came out of it. In fact, not much comes out of any of these threads. I don't know why we bother.

Yeah, the ZOS presence on this forum seems to be getting smaller, they're all focused on making people remortgage their house for an atro mount.

Maybe if we add crown crates in the titles they might reply.

"BUFF TO RED DIAMOND (CROWN CRATES)"

psychotic13 · December 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

I made a post about that a loooooong time ago. Not much ever came out of it. In fact, not much comes out of any of these threads. I don't know why we bother.

Yeah, the ZOS presence on this forum seems to be getting smaller, they're all focused on making people remortgage their house for an atro mount.

Maybe if we add crown crates in the titles they might reply.

"BUFF TO RED DIAMOND (CROWN CRATES)"

Don't give them ideas, we'll be gambling for passives next

Alucardo · December 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

I made a post about that a loooooong time ago. Not much ever came out of it. In fact, not much comes out of any of these threads. I don't know why we bother.

Yeah, the ZOS presence on this forum seems to be getting smaller, they're all focused on making people remortgage their house for an atro mount.

Maybe if we add crown crates in the titles they might reply.

"BUFF TO RED DIAMOND (CROWN CRATES)"

Don't give them ideas, we'll be gambling for passives next

Haha, I just thought about that as I posted it

lucky_Sage · December 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

I think Bretons could do with some love too, that 3% cost reduction is a big low since they increased everything by like 8% cost with DB

I made a post about that a loooooong time ago. Not much ever came out of it. In fact, not much comes out of any of these threads. I don't know why we bother.

Yeah, the ZOS presence on this forum seems to be getting smaller, they're all focused on making people remortgage their house for an atro mount.

yes this mmo has so much potential, but zos isn't listening to player anymore. even wow has been listening lately there new expansion they actually took a lot of advice from the players. they seem focused on just trying to get people to spend lots of many every quarter and only play a couple weeks every update. they even said that they want to do small dlc like thieves guilds cause to there stats people like those and just like to come back every update and play 2 weeks then come back 3 months later. awful plan but I like this game and hope they fix it

threefarms · December 2016

I've been saying it for the longest time, just trade red diamond for 10% max magic.

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2016

threefarms wrote: »

I've been saying it for the longest time, just trade red diamond for 10% max magic.

Its a good idea but isnt it true Imperials are not known for being good with magicka? Sure there are some famous wizards who were Imperial but does that mean they all are talented with magicka?

They are suppose to be tanky but not as strong as orcs or nords. They are suppose to be very tactical and smart like the Romans in real life.

I suppose red diamond reflect these aspects. Tankiness and intelligance. Red Diamonds health rng just doesnt reflect this imo.

Solariken · December 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

threefarms wrote: »

I've been saying it for the longest time, just trade red diamond for 10% max magic.

Its a good idea but isnt it true Imperials are not known for being good with magicka? Sure there are some famous wizards who were Imperial but does that mean they all are talented with magicka?

They are suppose to be tanky but not as strong as orcs or nords. They are suppose to be very tactical and smart like the Romans in real life.

I suppose red diamond reflect these aspects. Tankiness and intelligance. Red Diamonds health rng just doesnt reflect this imo.

I think you are correct @GreenSoup2HoT but ZOS could have been a lot more creative.

For anyone looking for a good read, here was my proposal when race rebalance was in the works: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278676/red-diamond-imperial-racial-passive/p1